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It's almost like Googling someone: Log on to Facebook. Join the Washington, D.C., network. Search the Web site for your favorite school system. And then watch the public profiles of 20-something teachers unfurl like gift wrap on the screen, revealing a sense of humor that can be overtly sarcastic or unintentionally unprofessional -- or both.
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Source: Washington Post

Judas

this irritates the shit outa me...

All these jackasses that either lie that they never do it or simply don't do anything of the sort consider it "bad"?

my gaud, Childish behavour?

Someone needs to be shot for looking at someone personal however public website and thinks they should always remain the robot employee even at 2 in the morning.

I know teachers that drink with thier students..... what is wrong with that?

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dj_stick

a whole lot actually

it undermines a teacher's responsibility and authority - they're your teachers, not your friends - there's got to be a level of professional detachment there

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Tril

The way I see it, there's a difference if the teacher is a primary school teacher or an university teacher and there's a limit not to cross.

Obviously an elementary school teacher must not drink with its students.

I don't mind an university school teacher that takes a drink at the university bar with its students. However, I would not agree if that teacher did a pub-crawl with its students and made a fool of himself/herself on the dance floor. There's a level not to cross when the students are involved.

YAYitsAndrew

Going out drinking with your professors can be a fun academic experience. You usually shoot the shit about topics in your field of study, and build a good rapport thanks to the abundant social lubrication. It's very good networking.

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IvanV

Hehehehe, I just remembered some stuff from high school.

Like when we (students) took one of the professors for a drink in a pub next to the school. He came as a replacement for our astronomy teacher only a month before the end of the school year and several months after his predecessor went to a sick leave because of a stroke. He was totally inexperienced (straight from college) and scared because the vice principal had told him that he had to finish the entire program (and there was no way he could do that in a month), so we took him for a drink to explain to him how it was going to be. It was really funny, we were students and he was a teacher, yet he was confused and we were explaining things to him, he was scared what would other teachers think if (when) they saw him there with us (we were sitting in the garden literraly next to the school gate) and he didn't even like beer we made him drink!

Or another time, also very near graduation. A class was cancelled and we went to the same pub (for the record, that's the only time I remember drinking before the end of the classes for the day). At one point, the formentioned vice principal walked in with a former professor (who now teaches at my college). The professor saw us and asked the vice dprincipal: "Are these yours?", and he lied: "No, these are from "Tesla"." (the nearby school of electroengineering) so we all waved to him and loudly greeted him: "Hi, Dule!" There were no hard feelings and the guy actually sent us a round of beers. Ahh, the good times!

And since I can proudly say that students from my (ex) high school win medals in International Mathematical, Physical and Programming Olympiads every year, I see nothing wrong with our educational practices, including a professor having a drink with the students.

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Judas

says who?

Since when does a work, or other people dictate who your friends are?

Says you?

That makes utterly horribly no sense at all.

Your telling me that if a cop and his friends (that arn't cops) is drunk out of his mind in one of his local bars and makes a fool out of him self (druken state considering) the doesn't drive home, gets a ride home, and wakes up the next morning with a hangover but still goes to work. That anyone that saw that man in the bar the previous night would think his authority and or responcibility has been sliced/diced?

Cmon that's rediculious. IF your own opinion of the man or women or whoever is that easy to frown upon, that's your own problem.

Even if a law was broken by said officer, depending on how he/she handled it she would still have respect for it, course avoiding it would be well, needing the boot.


Morality's concerns are all being parked in the wrong places. People out killing each other and it's all bad and sad, and those same people turn around and catch a teacher having a drink with thier students and instantly it's hatred, anger, lets burn the bastard at the sake bullshit?

Of course a Elementry teacher drinking with his/her students wouldn't be prime at all, that's completely redicilious. But being out drinking in general is completely fine. Specially drinking with other students from another grade.


Even with the drinking age being 19 up here (legally), There was absalutely nothing considered bad about even a teacher "pulling" for under agers, course 16 years of age is where the line is drawn. It's a grey area indeed, if he was caught well that's definitely grounds for the boot as well. Do something completely ilegal and that's just the way it works.

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Zardon

Originally Posted by dj_stick
a whole lot actually

it undermines a teacher's responsibility and authority - they're your teachers, not your friends - there's got to be a level of professional detachment there


Actually it does Judas, its basic psychology. If a person in authority spends all their time with the people who a: they work with or b: teach, on a personal level, then the identification of an authority figure becomes secondary to the "friendship" or personal relationship.

I studied psychology in my teens for a few years. What DJstick stated is actually not just his opinion it has been proven under extensive worldwide research.

Judas

Then i guess i'll disagree since i've seen no issues here.

the only people that drop thier respect for such a case are usually always the ones that don't like to see that kind of interaction.

From what i've seen, it's increased efficiency and makes understanding alot easier. Even more respect then previous.

Guess it just works out here differently.

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swimtech

Agreed, and I think the same kind of psychology applies to parents with their children. Sure, there are always exceptions and "differing shades of gray" depending on circumstance and attitude, but generally speaking...

The teachers really just ought to know better. Whether they like it or not, and whether they get paid for it or not, teachers and parents are the prime living examples their students and children will emulate for life.

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Al_Vampyre

Big deal, who cares what little Jimmy's teacher gets up to as long as it doesn't have a detrimental effect on little Jimmy's education ???

Teacher's are not responsible for the moral guidance of their pupils...that's the parents job, teachers are not considered role models by the majority of their students any more so it's unlikely that they think anything, good or bad, the teacher does is 'cool'.

Best damn chemistry teacher I ever had was a complete alcoholic who kept a bottle of whiskey in his desk, but he knew his stuff and made sure we knew our stuff too, and that is ultimately what education is about...

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Necrosis

It must be the whacked out crazy roads or the super uber wireless.

Sorry I had to say it!

Tril

I have to agree a bit with Judas. It kind of unfair for a teacher to lose his/her job because they took a few pictures of themselves in some pub/parties and put them online for anyone to see.

I guess you get less tolerant and uptight and hypocrite when you get older (not everyone). The people that are the bosses of the teachers are usually older because you need years of experience to get these jobs. They set the rules.

Judas

Well it's just retarded either way you look at it..

i could care less who has what certificates or education on the matter, you can't write this crap down in books and go by statistics.

We are constantly being brought up and purposely TAUGHT to mind other peoples business like it's our own... This is fundementally going to be our destruction.

Think about it, if the way things are going keeps going, the restrictions on "life" in genereal is going to be torn up so much the we may as well be robots.

IF because i operate my own store, i can't go into a bar, get hammered and make a complete ass outa myself, or post pictures of the action that night, so long as they don't break any rules in place. (example would be nudity obviously)... and someone is going to make the decision on thier own that because of those pictures or the meer fact that i was drinking, or whatever rediculious conclusions they come up with result in them think i don't have a clue what i'm doing at my job, i must be a fool or incapable of operating my business OR not going to deal with me at all due to it. FINE, no problems, AT ALL.. i could care less if my employee's were doing whatever the hell it was, who knows maybe some of it's "ilegal" (however grey it may be), until i've got my own grounds to fire the bastards, they will continue to do the quality of work i want them to do, and if they slip then they get the boot.

The best teachers are the ones that don't teach from a book, they teach it as they know it. And usually the best of those teachers are the ones that can create realistic networks.

So long as they are doing thier job, (not playing favourites) teaching the class properly, i don't give a flying [cencored] what they do elsewhere.

I also find it amusing that some of these "perfect" teachers that some people call perfect, that follow the rules to a T, don't do anything that anyone else would consider argueable, (that they know of) and don't create any social networks at all, have been later found out to be petaphyles or killers or doing some horrific things. They ended up teaching for years and years... but people are more concerned with fireing someone on the spot for posting pictures of thier saturday night party with nothing "bad" worth mentioning.


*sigh*

It's just stupid.

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