Yet more Nvidia 3d mark cheating...

***Veridian3*** · Jun 6, 2003, 10:01 AM

Just been surfing around and tech-report.com have a new article exposing further Nvidia cheats (sorry i mean "application specific optimisations" ;-) ) in 3dMark.

Check out the article here

Erroneus · Jun 6, 2003, 11:18 AM

funny they dont loorn from their and ATI's earlier mistakes, but i guess it¨s all about impressing the mainstream market, and the mainstream market, don't hear about these "cheats" .. BASTARDS!!

shuki · Jun 6, 2003, 12:31 PM

oh don't you all know... "those are just synthetic benchmarks and don't mean anything" .... said by anonymous Nvidiot

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jun 6, 2003, 12:33 PM

"You probably won't be surprised to learn that my tip came from ATI. The ATI folks say they were studying the Detonator FX driver's new filtering routines, to see what they could learn, when they discovered this quirk. (Some have claimed NVIDIA was the original source for the Quake/Quack debacle, but I have no first-hand knowledge about that.) Regardless, we felt compelled to test the Detonator FX drivers to see if the allegations were true. So we gathered up a GeForce FX 5800 Ultra, a GeForce FX 5600, and a GeForce FX 5200 Ultra for a little benchmarking session. We brought along our typing fingers, so we could rename "3DMark03.exe" to "3DMurk03.exe" and see what happened. Our results follow. "

Becouse the quake3 CHEAT the ati was useing was exposed by NVIDA..

Looking at nvida drivers to try to help them devope thier own.... probubly decomplieing as we speak... so basicly ati barrows form nvida hard work ... great idea to save money, skill, and effort.. in makeing thier drivers
they both cheat will we ever get over it someday

Mac Daddy · Jun 6, 2003, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shuki
oh don't you all know... "those are just synthetic benchmarks and don't mean anything" .... said by anonymous Nvidiot

Shuki I award you:

100/100 on content ......................... 120/100 on DELIVERY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No_Style · Jun 6, 2003, 01:00 PM

Why do they assume that nobody will catch them? Why? Especially if you're producing drivers for a MASS MARKET. I could understand if the drivers were used by the select few. But NVidia is a leader in the graphic cards' industry. NVidiocy is the perfect word here. What's worse is that, THEY caught ATI doing a similar thing way back when. STUPID!

***Veridian3*** · Jun 6, 2003, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

Looking at nvida drivers to try to help them devope thier own.... probubly decomplieing as we speak... so basicly ati barrows form nvida hard work ... great idea to save money, skill, and effort.. in makeing thier drivers
they both cheat will we ever get over it someday

LOL, i so look forward to your posts on these tyoe of topics!

Stu

Erroneus · Jun 6, 2003, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
Looking at nvida drivers to try to help them devope thier own.... probubly decomplieing as we speak... so basicly ati barrows form nvida hard work ... great idea to save money, skill, and effort.. in makeing thier drivers
they both cheat will we ever get over it someday [/B]

No we will not get over it, we will NOT accept nvidia is continuing to cheat!!

"so basicly ati barrows form nvida hard work"

Riight

Sure they take a look on Nvidia drivers works, but i have the feeling that Nvidia does the same. Funny to see how their aniso and ffsa has been optimised wildly in the last months, i say THEY ARE STEEEEALING IT FROM ATI, but I have no fucking proof to support my theori and neither do you. You don't have any proof at all, you don't know if any of nvidia techniques have been used in ATI drivers, your only guessing and trying to make ATI the bad guy here, when in fact Nvidia is cheating there asses of to keep the pase.

digitalwanderer · Jun 6, 2003, 02:53 PM

Not the news, I'm loving the hell out of it...I'm just disapointed to see how slow y'all are getting around here.

This was posted about 3 hours earlier here....

Everyone has put me on their ignore list here, right? Or is it just because I can't post to the news page anymore?

Mac Daddy · Jun 7, 2003, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Everyone has put me on their ignore list here, right? Or is it just because I can't post to the news page anymore?

Not likely ... put Dig on ignore list ?????
Now I don't think that would be very smart ... would it

Well lets hope to see you posting threads on News again soon .... Reminds me of a CliffHanger PM

~~craig588~~ · Jun 7, 2003, 01:21 AM

If they really wanted to cheat effectively they should have looked for the memory addresses of 3dmark and not just the name of the file. With my experiance of hacking (shhh) looking for a memory address thats one value than another value consistantly with each run of the program can give them and effective starting point on the locations of the adresses of specific things in memory. They won't need to use program names and by looking for a dynamic value it is much harder to detect by the program itself. (The Half-Life engine is a great starting point for anyone looking to get into hacking, its very simple)

Basicly what I'm trying to say is that they probably didn't spend very much time on the "optimisations" they only did things they saw that they could instantly exploit. It would have been sort of cool if they used acctual skill in implimenting these cheats, but doing something as lame as that is just terrible.

***craig5320*** · Jun 7, 2003, 01:51 AM

I'm getting bored of all this 3DMark cr-ap now, It's *new* findings everyday now, :yawn: not that I'm at all jealous my GF2 can only run one test...half arsed at that

Mac Daddy · Jun 7, 2003, 04:47 AM

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Originally posted by craig5320
I'm getting bored of all this 3DMark cr-ap now, It's *new* findings everyday now, :yawn: not that I'm at all jealous my GF2 can only run one test...half arsed at that

3DMark2001SE ???
G2 400MMX at home .... 21 tests ........... 3086 ....... 1.5 Celeron untouched ............

Sucked for gameplay ... 2994 worked well and retained graphics latency ........

Louie hit big numbers on a 1.4 AMD thunderbird and G2 (4000's if I remember correctly).
Upon playing a DVD movie quality sucked ........

FutureMark's numbers mean very little to peeps that are actually using there Puter for a purpose

Jun 6, 2003, 10:01 AM	#1
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 5,028 Rep Power: 182	Yet more Nvidia 3d mark cheating... Just been surfing around and tech-report.com have a new article exposing further Nvidia cheats (sorry i mean "application specific optimisations" ;-) ) in 3dMark. Check out the article here

Jun 6, 2003, 11:18 AM	#2
Erroneus Get off my lawn! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 13,419 Rep Power: 119 System Specs	:o funny they dont loorn from their and ATI's earlier mistakes, but i guess it¨s all about impressing the mainstream market, and the mainstream market, don't hear about these "cheats" .. BASTARDS!! __________________

Jun 6, 2003, 12:33 PM	#4
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	"You probably won't be surprised to learn that my tip came from ATI. The ATI folks say they were studying the Detonator FX driver's new filtering routines, to see what they could learn, when they discovered this quirk. (Some have claimed NVIDIA was the original source for the Quake/Quack debacle, but I have no first-hand knowledge about that.) Regardless, we felt compelled to test the Detonator FX drivers to see if the allegations were true. So we gathered up a GeForce FX 5800 Ultra, a GeForce FX 5600, and a GeForce FX 5200 Ultra for a little benchmarking session. We brought along our typing fingers, so we could rename "3DMark03.exe" to "3DMurk03.exe" and see what happened. Our results follow. " Becouse the quake3 CHEAT the ati was useing was exposed by NVIDA.. Looking at nvida drivers to try to help them devope thier own.... probubly decomplieing as we speak... so basicly ati barrows form nvida hard work ... great idea to save money, skill, and effort.. in makeing thier drivers they both cheat will we ever get over it someday __________________

Jun 6, 2003, 01:00 PM	#6
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	HAHA! Why do they assume that nobody will catch them? Why? Especially if you're producing drivers for a MASS MARKET. I could understand if the drivers were used by the select few. But NVidia is a leader in the graphic cards' industry. NVidiocy is the perfect word here. What's worse is that, THEY caught ATI doing a similar thing way back when. STUPID! __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Jun 6, 2003, 02:53 PM	#9
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Sad. Not the news, I'm loving the hell out of it...I'm just disapointed to see how slow y'all are getting around here. This was posted about 3 hours earlier here.... Everyone has put me on their ignore list here, right? Or is it just because I can't post to the news page anymore? __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jun 6, 2003, 12:31 PM	#3
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	oh don't you all know... "those are just synthetic benchmarks and don't mean anything" .... said by anonymous Nvidiot

Jun 7, 2003, 01:21 AM	#11
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	If they really wanted to cheat effectively they should have looked for the memory addresses of 3dmark and not just the name of the file. With my experiance of hacking (shhh) looking for a memory address thats one value than another value consistantly with each run of the program can give them and effective starting point on the locations of the adresses of specific things in memory. They won't need to use program names and by looking for a dynamic value it is much harder to detect by the program itself. (The Half-Life engine is a great starting point for anyone looking to get into hacking, its very simple) Basicly what I'm trying to say is that they probably didn't spend very much time on the "optimisations" they only did things they saw that they could instantly exploit. It would have been sort of cool if they used acctual skill in implimenting these cheats, but doing something as lame as that is just terrible.

Jun 7, 2003, 01:51 AM	#12
*craig5320* HH Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8,577 Rep Power: 445 System Specs	I'm getting bored of all this 3DMark cr-ap now, It's new findings everyday now, :yawn: not that I'm at all jealous my GF2 can only run one test...half arsed at that __________________ HardwareHeaven on Facebook