Intel graphics drivers employ questionable 3DMark Vantage optimizations

**MIG-31** · Oct 12, 2009, 05:26 PM

In the early days of GPUs, application-specification performance optimizations in graphics drivers were viewed by many as cheating. Accusations were hurled with regularity, and in some cases, there was real cheating going on. Some optimizations surreptitiously degraded image quality in order to boost performance, which obviously isn't kosher. Optimizations that don't affect an application's image quality are harder to condemn, though, especially if you're talking about games. If a driver can offer users smoother gameplay without any ill effects, why shouldn't it be allowed?
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Source: Tech Report

OldBuzzard · Oct 12, 2009, 07:26 PM

So how is this 'news'?

Thats "business as normal" for the weasels at nVidia.

They get caught, offer some lame ass excuse, remove the optimizations, wait untill the heat dies down, and start all over again.

That's the reason I won't have an nVidia card anywhere near my system. Not because thay have better or worse performance, but because I won't support lying weasels.

Yeah, I know ATI has done a shady thing or two, but nowhere near the extent as nVidia.

**MIG-31** · Oct 12, 2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

So how is this 'news'?

I was just Emailed the link... I tend not to ignore the emails im sent..And im only the messenger.

I posted this here just for the members to make there own mind up.. Nothing more than that.

OldBuzzard · Oct 13, 2009, 08:22 AM

OH, I wasn't talking about posting it here.

I was talking about how anyone thought it was 'news' that the nVidia weasels were cheating (again)

That's S.O.P for them

SeraphicSorcerer · Oct 13, 2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

OH, I wasn't talking about posting it here.

I was talking about how anyone thought it was 'news' that the nVidia weasels were cheating (again)

That's S.O.P for them

Except for the fact it's not nvidia that got caught this time, it's intel...

OldBuzzard · Oct 13, 2009, 04:28 PM

Judas · Oct 13, 2009, 04:35 PM

basic optimisations or more efficient methods are welcomed...

nvidia has a history of killing image quality to obtain higher performance.

ATI has a history of typically finding a more efficient method of draw the same image at a slightly faster pace.

PowerVR typically has been able to improve performance and image quality at the same time.

Intel usually has sucked agross the board... however if they can produce the same image quality and gain performance through more efficient means..... more power to them.

There is Driver Optimisation... and then there is Nvidia's Optimisations which are hardly optimal..

comp_ali · Oct 13, 2009, 05:24 PM

Actually , there is a recent nVidia Cheat or you can call it " the way it meant to be played" , making games runs crap on non-nvidia Gpus in NFS Shift
Need for Speed Shift ATI performance issues explained – sort of MrGnome – Singularity Is Near

Judas · Oct 13, 2009, 06:57 PM

nvidia's know for somehow always managing to be involved in games that have their ment to be played games.... ALWAYS..

but i've also been informed in a number of cases that..... nvidia has supplied many cards or hardware for them to test on... and hadn't received any from ati..

which i think is rediculious for a developer to not even bothering to purchase a few videos cards or at least one from other competitors to make sure things are going as they should.

MitchRapp · Oct 13, 2009, 08:31 PM

and that's why I support my friendly neighborhood ATI

it's perfect, a Canadian company merged with a German company ... like me and my girlfriend heh

comp_ali · Oct 13, 2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

which i think is rediculious for a developer to not even bothering to purchase a few videos cards or at least one from other competitors to make sure things are going as they should.

What ? a developer with millions can't buy a few hundreds Card and sacrifice with the game finishing , that's unbelievable , How do they think they will sell the game if it doesn't run well on People's computers .

IvanV · Oct 13, 2009, 09:06 PM

Wow, offloading vertex processing to an E6300 improves performance by 50% in a game that's CPU intensive?! That GPU is really poor.

Judas · Oct 13, 2009, 11:32 PM

the G41 is indeed poor..

but remember when 3DFX pulled a fast one on nvidia and offloaded Hardware TnL fuction to the CPU in which supported Enhanced 3DNOW! or SSE technology (athlon or PIII) which produced incredible results in almost all enviroments.

What about when 3DFX was implemented a Tile based HSR software cpu offloaded optimisation that while never truely made it to the official page, because they were shortly after shut down and bought out by nvidia, but beta builds surfaced allowing one to make use of these fuctions producing results that shocked the masses by taking older hardware and making it perform on average faster then a modern (at the time) gpu.

SeraphicSorcerer · Oct 13, 2009, 11:41 PM

@ Judas, All Intel Implementations suck, that's why I get so fired up when they claim to be the "largest" graphics producer in the world. Just because you have more of anything never means you're the best at anything. That goes for people too :P I actually steer far clear of Intel for this reason...

They charge an arm and a leg for things you can get cheaper and sometimes better performing.

Remember the 810 Chipset? ah... what finely spun bull that was.

Oct 12, 2009, 05:26 PM	#1
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,854 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	Intel graphics drivers employ questionable 3DMark Vantage optimizations In the early days of GPUs, application-specification performance optimizations in graphics drivers were viewed by many as cheating. Accusations were hurled with regularity, and in some cases, there was real cheating going on. Some optimizations surreptitiously degraded image quality in order to boost performance, which obviously isn't kosher. Optimizations that don't affect an application's image quality are harder to condemn, though, especially if you're talking about games. If a driver can offer users smoother gameplay without any ill effects, why shouldn't it be allowed? ____________ Source: Tech Report __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

Oct 12, 2009, 07:26 PM	#2
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,783 Rep Power: 145 System Specs	Re: Intel graphics drivers employ questionable 3DMark Vantage optimizations So how is this 'news'? Thats "business as normal" for the weasels at nVidia. They get caught, offer some lame ass excuse, remove the optimizations, wait untill the heat dies down, and start all over again. That's the reason I won't have an nVidia card anywhere near my system. Not because thay have better or worse performance, but because I won't support lying weasels. Yeah, I know ATI has done a shady thing or two, but nowhere near the extent as nVidia. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Oct 13, 2009, 08:22 AM	#4
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,783 Rep Power: 145 System Specs	Re: Intel graphics drivers employ questionable 3DMark Vantage optimizations OH, I wasn't talking about posting it here. I was talking about how anyone thought it was 'news' that the nVidia weasels were cheating (again) That's S.O.P for them __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Oct 13, 2009, 04:28 PM	#6
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,783 Rep Power: 145 System Specs	Re: Intel graphics drivers employ questionable 3DMark Vantage optimizations __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

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comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,469 Rep Power: 339 System Specs	Re: Intel graphics drivers employ questionable 3DMark Vantage optimizations Actually , there is a recent nVidia Cheat or you can call it " the way it meant to be played" , making games runs crap on non-nvidia Gpus in NFS Shift Need for Speed Shift ATI performance issues explained – sort of MrGnome – Singularity Is Near __________________

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MitchRapp a.k.a. pepiman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 998 Rep Power: 51 System Specs	Re: Intel graphics drivers employ questionable 3DMark Vantage optimizations and that's why I support my friendly neighborhood ATI it's perfect, a Canadian company merged with a German company ... like me and my girlfriend heh

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IvanV HH Assassin Guild Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,919 Rep Power: 336 System Specs	Re: Intel graphics drivers employ questionable 3DMark Vantage optimizations Wow, offloading vertex processing to an E6300 improves performance by 50% in a game that's CPU intensive?! That GPU is really poor. __________________ If anyone has Portal 2 and hasn't played the co-op and wants to do me a favour, let me know (PM me or whatever).

Oct 13, 2009, 11:41 PM	#14
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 156 System Specs	Re: Intel graphics drivers employ questionable 3DMark Vantage optimizations @ Judas, All Intel Implementations suck, that's why I get so fired up when they claim to be the "largest" graphics producer in the world. Just because you have more of anything never means you're the best at anything. That goes for people too :P I actually steer far clear of Intel for this reason... They charge an arm and a leg for things you can get cheaper and sometimes better performing. Remember the 810 Chipset? ah... what finely spun bull that was. __________________