7 Things I'll Miss about Vista—And 7 I Definitely Won't

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Not everything about Windows 7 is an improvement over Vista. Here are some things from Vista we wish the new OS hadn't changed—and some we're glad it did.
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source : PCmag

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Judas

almost everything he misses, i don't... lol

and everything he hates.. i never experienced really at all..


funny

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MitchRapp

I never really experienced all the vista troubles people have ... maybe I was lucky?
My video card was an ATI and not an nVidia so that's a good start (I heard nVidia owners were frustrated due to bad driver support ... but that's not vista's fault)


no blue screens, no slowdowns, nothing
only REAL complaint about vista was the winsxs folder taking up 20+gb space on my small Raptor... but that's about it.

MitchRapp

oh and to go over some of his points

7 things he'll miss --> they are all in Windows 7. This writer probably never used Windows 7 yet but his friend "told him what's missing" ... oh come on.


7 things he won't miss --> disk thrashing? how bout caching? in Windows 7 it still happens but it's slower so people like him complain less
also, driver support = crappy hardward imo
then, Long Installation ... sorry but both Vista x64 and Windows 7 x64 took the same amount of time to install (20-25 minutes) ... I don't see his problem (unless it's related to his crap hardware)
UAC --> deactivated in a few clicks (Unless you're a noob like him)
slow startup --> crap hardware again... is he testing this on a 5-year old DELL ?
IE7 and IE8 both suck so I don't see his point here... nobody uses IE outside of businesses...



bad bad writer imo. Maybe I'll wait for PC writer 8.0 SP2 to come out huh?

procupine14

Yeah I never had any of those problems save for the "disk thrashing" which I just figured out how to minimize it in vista and not really an issue in 7 since its not as crazy. other than that none of his problems are relevant and I can do all the things he says aren't in 7 any more.

also this guy says that he was running vista on a computer with 1GB of RAM.....ummm.....need I say more

let me add that I have never waited for over 45 minutes to install vista on even basic, barely qualified computers.

I rest my case

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Mousey

To be perfectly honest i think the writer's a retard.

Quick launch icons. - Middle click, new window.

More informative network icons. - Wireless network strength is shown in the taskbar rather than a seperate popup window now.

Show Desktop Icon. - Clicking the icon in the bottom right shows desktop without peeking.

The Sidebar. - Sidebar gadgets can indeed stack at the side of the screen if you so wish for that to happen.

Windows Mail. - As far as i know my version of windows 7 had a mail client built into it, But i'm still on RTM. Vista didn't have windows mail depending on which version of the beta or release candidate you installed since MS couldn't decide whether to scrap it or not.

Recent Documents. - This one i think the writer needs a kick in the teeth for, JUMP LISTS DISPLAY ALL YOUR RECENT DOCUMENTS

Home Basic. - Less editions means less confusion for people that don't read boxes.

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ET3D

The way he uses it, maybe. But the taskbar doesn't provide all quicklaunch functionality. In fact, one of the most annoying "fixes" Microsoft did to a bug report of mine made it less usable. I reported in the beta that HTML Help was pinned to the taskbar by executable name, and all its files by file names, instead of by title. Installed the RC, and suddenly it's impossible to pin HTML Help or its documents at all. Which meant I had to go back to quick launch.

And it's possible to get quick launch back in Windows 7, it's just not immediately obvious. I do think they should have made creating a toolbar easier, or made quick launch available as an optional toolbar (two clicks away) but not on by default. Pinning is good for programs, but quick launch is better for most other things (documents, shortcuts, folders, ...).

ET3D

So? Can you see the list of most recent documents without going over all the jump lists of all the programs on your task bar?

BlueMak

Wait, 7 doesn't have quicklaunch bar? Why not?

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mkk

The whole taskbar is now a launchbar if you wish. It's so great they call it the Superbar now.
Windows 7: Superbar Overview

The Captain

The only thing I don't like about the new Windows 7 UI is that multiple windows from the same application are always shown under the same quicklaunch/running programs icons in the superbar. For example, if I get an annoying pop-under ad in Firefox, in order to close it I have to go to the Firefox icon in the superbar, wait a bit for the small preview windows to show, and then right-click on the preview and click "close." On previous windows versions, each browser window got its own item in the taskbar in most cases. All I had to do was right-click on it and select "close."

Another problem with the superbar is that some applications show relevant information in their title bars, which is not shown using the superbar because it only shows the program icon. For example, the Firefox download window shows the percentage complete in its title bar, which you cannot see using the superbar, unless you actually preview the download window.

IvanV

I just had dinner and right now I'd prefer a candy-bar over anything MS has to offer.

Well, they have changed a few things and it's natural that some people liked those better the way they used to be. Still, I don't see anything that I'll miss very much among those 7. The only thing mentioned that affects me is the show desktop issue; it turns out that occasionally I like to move my mouse off screen to it's lower right corner, which means that now I often inadvertently make my windows "disappear".

As for the things he won't miss, I haven't really experienced any of the annoyances to a significant degree. Yes, disk was almost always doing something and it was slightly unnerving, but it was obviously a low priority process as I didn't feel that it slowed me down. Also, I ran Vista x64 on only 1GB RAM, got it through MSDNAA and I thought that I'd just install to see how much it sucked so I didn't pay attention to the edition, and it was actually not that bad at all. Yes, I tweaked it a little here and there, but nothing to esoteric as I'm not really that much of an expert, and while I wouldn't recommend 1GB for 64-bit computing (64-bit OS + 64-bit apps) it really mostly ran just fine.

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Zardon

I quite like the Superbar, I was hoping MS would do something similar to the OSX dock, so you could PIN apps - and what do you know, a few years later they managed it

I agree with a lot of views in this thread, that article is a bit of a joke to be honest, but its nothing new, I have been reading FUD about vista for the last 18 months, from 'journalists' who really do need a crash course in tech.

BlueMak

hmm, so there is no Recent Items anymore? Only recent URLs? I don't like that.
The rest appear ok.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

mkk

You can choose not to have the labels hidden for a more familiar look.

There is an option to turn that back on. A new function also makes it possible to have the latest opened files appear under the icon for the respective program it was opened with, whether it's just running now, is pinned on the startmenu, or pinned on the taskbar. When pinned on the start menu one only needs to hover the mouse to see the list, otherwise it's right-click on its taskbar icon to see this list. I'm too much in old tracks to use these things much but I see how they can be really handy for the right users.

BlueMak

ok thanks.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

DJ BIG T

that wasnt it they didnt want to make a driver for the older cards so you would have to buy a new one... i had 8400 and 9600gt and now 280gtx and still use vista and never had trouble with there drivers...

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ET3D

You can choose to have all the windows show in the taskbar like in previous versions of Windows.

procupine14

yeah its all able to be modified ....you just have to be told how to do it.


I did have a huge issue installing an older driver for a video card in a client's laptop but AMD had a legacy driver for vista32 bit that worked for win7 64 with out any issues. so I'm happy and so is the customer.

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GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU

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Mousey

The dock truly is a tried, tested and triumphant piece of software from Apple. Hence why companies like Stardock have produced windows alternatives i can imagine. I know a guy that works for Stardock actually he's a developer, I'll have to see what he thinks about the OS X Dock compared to the ObjectDock

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MitchRapp

I use RocketDock but that's because I like a 0-icon desktop

Zardon

You can have a 0 icon desktop on OSX too, there is a "automatically hide and show the dock" option.

OldBuzzard

I'm pretty adaptable. I've seen so many Operating Systems on so many different platforms come and go that I've learned to adapt, and not get overly stressed about the differences between them.

If I had the option to change one thing in 7 to be more like Visa, it would be SUPERFETCH. I'd prefer it to be more like Vista and be pretty aggressive in preloading memory. I know that I'm in the minority in that, but it sure would have been nice if they would have given us the same option with SUPERFETCH as they did with UAC. Allow the user to set the level of aggressiveness.

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Zardon

That is a point I can share with you. during a normal working day im probably using OSX, Vista and Win 7 to produce. I never have issues.

Yet im only a few years off 40 and you are older. these young whippersnappers dont know how lucky they are. I remember in my day trying to get memory freed in DOS to load drivers!

OldBuzzard

n00b!

I remember re-re-re-recompiling programs trying to free up 5-10 BYTES to keep programs from going into OVERLAYS, which was kind of like swap files, but slowed the system to a crawl. That was sometimes a pretty good feat when you consider that I only had 16K on memory, and not all of that was usable, as part of it was used by the OS.

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Judas

the oldest machine i'm familare with is the TRS-80 that i've sitting here next to me with 48k memory

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