P2P Filesharing Same as Borrowing Books Says Spanish Court

IvanV · Jun 10, 2010, 12:53 AM

Spain's anti-piracy campaigners have suffered a new blow following yet another court ruling that clears a web site that offered links to protected cultural content of infringing intellectual property legislation.

Three judges closed the five-year case by arguing that file sharing was comparable to the "loan or sale of books," and therefore no offence had been committed.
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Source: Billboard.biz

OmegaRED · Jun 10, 2010, 02:58 PM

Haha, that's actually a pretty clever description.

LeanWolf · Jun 10, 2010, 09:34 PM

muy bien!

**Mousey** · Jun 10, 2010, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeanWolf

muy bien!

Sí Senior

Earthmonger · Jun 11, 2010, 03:59 PM

You do see that was a bad ruling, right? Now they're gonna try and ban libraries and fine you for borrowing books from friends.

Tyrsonswood · Jun 11, 2010, 09:17 PM

Damn't..... don't post stuff like that, it gives them ideas.

Necrosis · Jun 12, 2010, 09:18 PM

I don't know if I agree. If you borrow a book you eventually give it back. If you sell a book that is used it's not in the same condition as new, and you loose ownership of said book. It would be more like being able to copy a book down to every single atom then give that copy away. Would that be okay?

IvanV · Jun 13, 2010, 01:42 AM

That's true, but most downloaded films are only watched once, which is a fairly equivalent usage pattern to that of a borrowed, read and returned physical book. It's not quite the same, but it is similar, just as the commercial distribution is moving away from physical into the electronic realm, so is sharing.

Sihastru · Jun 13, 2010, 10:22 AM

I'm against most action taken by anti-piracy groups (like RIAA), because most of the time they walk all over the constitutional rights of the people they are trying to get, and while I am happy every time a court rules against their claims, this "loan or sale of books" sounds very thin to me.

They must be refering to the fact that the site offered only the links, as in "how to aquire the actual files", and not the files themselves. For example there are books about "how to build bombs" but they don't give you the actual bombs (I should think of a better comparison, but this one will do for now).

comp_ali · Jun 13, 2010, 10:32 AM

Funny thing happened to me , I downloaded Law abiding citizen movie HD a few months ago , it just hit cinemas around here this week.I dunno what the hell was they thinking. I think there should be simultaneous release for movies and games worldwide.

Sihastru · Jun 13, 2010, 10:49 AM

Yes, this would be the number one reason why normal people like you and me would consider piracy, availability. There are hundreds of TV shows in the US, UK and other countries (but most come from these two), that you don't really get in some dark corners of the world. Major movies have different realease dates, DVD/Blu-Ray availability is very strangely spread across the world.

Also consider the fact that anyone outside US has to use a proxy in order to use their multimedia content. What's that all about?

(joke) Not to mention the contests. (/joke)

Earthmonger · Jun 13, 2010, 08:34 PM

On regional content:
A few years ago Coast To Coast AM released their Streamlink service. As a long-time listener of the program, I was happy about that. But then I tried to subscribe to the service and found it was US-only (and Canada of course).

So, I can't use Streamlink. I can't use their net-radio on their site for the same reason. Well, I now download the program from a warez site as it's the only way I can get it. So, f*&^ you very much, regional bullshit.

comp_ali · Jun 14, 2010, 04:40 PM

Yeah , screw regional restrictions . Even on steam , there are some games that aren't available worldwide (Most Rockstar titles , APB ,...)

Jun 10, 2010, 12:53 AM	#1
IvanV HH Assassin Guild Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,919 Rep Power: 336 System Specs	P2P Filesharing Same as Borrowing Books Says Spanish Court Spain's anti-piracy campaigners have suffered a new blow following yet another court ruling that clears a web site that offered links to protected cultural content of infringing intellectual property legislation. Three judges closed the five-year case by arguing that file sharing was comparable to the "loan or sale of books," and therefore no offence had been committed. ______________ Source: Billboard.biz __________________ If anyone has Portal 2 and hasn't played the co-op and wants to do me a favour, let me know (PM me or whatever).

Jun 10, 2010, 02:58 PM	#2
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,688 Rep Power: 173 System Specs	Re: P2P Filesharing Same as Borrowing Books Says Spanish Court Haha, that's actually a pretty clever description. __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Jun 10, 2010, 09:34 PM	#3
LeanWolf alpha male Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Skyrim Posts: 5,714 Rep Power: 84 System Specs	Re: P2P Filesharing Same as Borrowing Books Says Spanish Court muy bien! __________________

Jun 11, 2010, 03:59 PM	#5
Earthmonger HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sitting inside a cube of kickass. Posts: 161 Rep Power: 36	Re: P2P Filesharing Same as Borrowing Books Says Spanish Court You do see that was a bad ruling, right? Now they're gonna try and ban libraries and fine you for borrowing books from friends.

Jun 12, 2010, 09:18 PM	#7
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Re: P2P Filesharing Same as Borrowing Books Says Spanish Court I don't know if I agree. If you borrow a book you eventually give it back. If you sell a book that is used it's not in the same condition as new, and you loose ownership of said book. It would be more like being able to copy a book down to every single atom then give that copy away. Would that be okay?

Jun 13, 2010, 01:42 AM	Thread Starter #8
IvanV HH Assassin Guild Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,919 Rep Power: 336 System Specs	Re: P2P Filesharing Same as Borrowing Books Says Spanish Court That's true, but most downloaded films are only watched once, which is a fairly equivalent usage pattern to that of a borrowed, read and returned physical book. It's not quite the same, but it is similar, just as the commercial distribution is moving away from physical into the electronic realm, so is sharing. __________________ If anyone has Portal 2 and hasn't played the co-op and wants to do me a favour, let me know (PM me or whatever).

Jun 13, 2010, 10:22 AM	#9
Sihastru Never been clicked Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 433 Rep Power: 46 System Specs	Re: P2P Filesharing Same as Borrowing Books Says Spanish Court I'm against most action taken by anti-piracy groups (like RIAA), because most of the time they walk all over the constitutional rights of the people they are trying to get, and while I am happy every time a court rules against their claims, this "loan or sale of books" sounds very thin to me. They must be refering to the fact that the site offered only the links, as in "how to aquire the actual files", and not the files themselves. For example there are books about "how to build bombs" but they don't give you the actual bombs (I should think of a better comparison, but this one will do for now). __________________ There are more things in heaven and earth then are dreamt of in your philosophy. Intel Core i7 3820 \| Corsair H80 \| Asus P9X79 \| Kingston HyperX T1 Black 32GB DDR3 \| Gigabyte 8800 GTS 512 \| 2xIntel X25-M 160GB RAID0 + 2xWD 1TB Green RAID1 \| Asus Xonar DX \| Asus ES2-750 \| Sony OptiArc DVD+/-RW \| Corsair AX850 Gold \| Fractal Design Define R3 Titanium \| Dell 3007WFP-HC2 30" 2560x1600 \| Corsair SP2500 \| Logitech UltraX Premium \| CM Storm Advance \| Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bit

Jun 13, 2010, 10:32 AM	#10
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,469 Rep Power: 339 System Specs	Re: P2P Filesharing Same as Borrowing Books Says Spanish Court Funny thing happened to me , I downloaded Law abiding citizen movie HD a few months ago , it just hit cinemas around here this week.I dunno what the hell was they thinking. I think there should be simultaneous release for movies and games worldwide.

Jun 13, 2010, 10:49 AM	#11
Sihastru Never been clicked Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 433 Rep Power: 46 System Specs	Re: P2P Filesharing Same as Borrowing Books Says Spanish Court Yes, this would be the number one reason why normal people like you and me would consider piracy, availability. There are hundreds of TV shows in the US, UK and other countries (but most come from these two), that you don't really get in some dark corners of the world. Major movies have different realease dates, DVD/Blu-Ray availability is very strangely spread across the world. Also consider the fact that anyone outside US has to use a proxy in order to use their multimedia content. What's that all about? (joke) Not to mention the contests. (/joke) __________________ There are more things in heaven and earth then are dreamt of in your philosophy. Intel Core i7 3820 \| Corsair H80 \| Asus P9X79 \| Kingston HyperX T1 Black 32GB DDR3 \| Gigabyte 8800 GTS 512 \| 2xIntel X25-M 160GB RAID0 + 2xWD 1TB Green RAID1 \| Asus Xonar DX \| Asus ES2-750 \| Sony OptiArc DVD+/-RW \| Corsair AX850 Gold \| Fractal Design Define R3 Titanium \| Dell 3007WFP-HC2 30" 2560x1600 \| Corsair SP2500 \| Logitech UltraX Premium \| CM Storm Advance \| Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bit

Jun 13, 2010, 08:34 PM	#12
Earthmonger HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sitting inside a cube of kickass. Posts: 161 Rep Power: 36	Re: P2P Filesharing Same as Borrowing Books Says Spanish Court On regional content: A few years ago Coast To Coast AM released their Streamlink service. As a long-time listener of the program, I was happy about that. But then I tried to subscribe to the service and found it was US-only (and Canada of course). So, I can't use Streamlink. I can't use their net-radio on their site for the same reason. Well, I now download the program from a warez site as it's the only way I can get it. So, f*&^ you very much, regional bullshit.

Jun 14, 2010, 04:40 PM	#13
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,469 Rep Power: 339 System Specs	Re: P2P Filesharing Same as Borrowing Books Says Spanish Court Yeah , screw regional restrictions . Even on steam , there are some games that aren't available worldwide (Most Rockstar titles , APB ,...)