AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface

blibbax · May 4, 2011, 11:20 AM

In the performance projection, a compound bar graph, an AMD platform comprising of an 8-core FX series processor (unknown model, clock speed) with AMD Radeon HD 6670 discrete graphics, was pitted against its main competitor, Intel Core i7-2600K with its integrated Intel HD graphics. Perhaps AMD is suggesting that FX 8-core model used here along with a HD 6690 graphics card costs the same as a Core i7-2600K.
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skylineaddict · May 4, 2011, 01:08 PM

I'm a little disappointed with the performance of the CPU alone, but I won't make judgments until HH gets their hands on these chips

blibbax · May 4, 2011, 01:31 PM

They're also shooting themselves in the foot by describing a quad with their version of HT as an 8 core, imo. At least in the high end it just makes the performance even more embarrassing.

If you look at it as a quad, and see it outstrip the current 6 core by that much, it looks like a mighty leap forward. With the right prices, platforms and headroom it could be a winner.

Of course, we have no idea of the clock-speed of the CPU in that example.

skylineaddict · May 4, 2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blibbax

They're also shooting themselves in the foot by describing a quad with their version of HT as an 8 core, imo. At least in the high end it just makes the performance even more embarrassing.

If you look at it as a quad, and see it outstrip the current 6 core by that much, it looks like a mighty leap forward. With the right prices, platforms and headroom it could be a winner.

Of course, we have no idea of the clock-speed of the CPU in that example.

Indeed they are. But, time will tell how well everything goes with Bulldozer. I hope for competition's sake it can hold up against Intel's attacks.

On the bright side, the server Bulldozers are looking pretty strong

**kris23** · May 4, 2011, 11:26 PM

as long as its cost effective in the end...

i wouldnt mind using it.

however, if their 8 core CPU can only compete with intel's Quad with HT, i can see intel taking the lead because they have stronger single cores... with stronger individual cores, they will have the lead in programs that can only take advantage of 4 cores...

skylineaddict · May 4, 2011, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kris23

as long as its cost effective in the end...

i wouldnt mind using it.

however, if their 8 core CPU can only compete with intel's Quad with HT, i can see intel taking the lead because they have stronger single cores... with stronger individual cores, they will have the lead in programs that can only take advantage of 4 cores...

They're only marketing it as 8 cores which is really stupid. I guess they thought it would be a good idea to say that, "My processor has more cores than yours." Less tech-savvy buyers would fall for it though.

**kris23** · May 4, 2011, 11:55 PM

where do you get your information that the bulldozer cpus are only 4 cores?

after looking at the released bulldozer design concepts, i see that each module holds two fully functioning cores that share resources between each other depending on the load.

the 8 core bulldozer CPU is shown to be a 4 "module" chip but that is not the same as saying its a 4 core CPU...

blibbax · May 5, 2011, 12:37 AM

The architecture makes it difficult to define what is a core, but what I've read so far suggests that it'll perform much more like a quad with HT than a "true" 8 core.

**kris23** · May 5, 2011, 12:59 AM

like i said, the modules have 2 cores, each with the ability to control the available resources of the module, making the single core a bit stronger whenever the second core has nothing to process....

seems nice but im skeptical to think that it can be as effective as HT...

caqde · May 5, 2011, 01:27 AM

Seems like at least with PCMark the FX 8 core (? speed) is going to be slightly faster than the 2600K (If you look at the bars using a ruler tool like PixelWindow you can see that it is slightly longer than the 2600K bar) how much faster and under what circumstances we will see in the coming weeks I guess.

skylineaddict · May 5, 2011, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kris23

where do you get your information that the bulldozer cpus are only 4 cores?

after looking at the released bulldozer design concepts, i see that each module holds two fully functioning cores that share resources between each other depending on the load.

the 8 core bulldozer CPU is shown to be a 4 "module" chip but that is not the same as saying its a 4 core CPU...

Technically it has 8 integer cores, so by that definition, it is an 8-core processor. Still I refuse to call it an 8 core processor because the core duos are not independent of each other. They share quite a lot of things:

I am definitely no expert on this so I could well be wrong. AMD has just really loosely defined everything.

**kris23** · May 5, 2011, 07:14 AM

we can only wait and see now....

once the numbers are out, we can see how this architecture stacks up...

AMD stated that this architecture was meant more for scalability and efficacy rather than pure performance.

something about the module being able to put out 80% of the compute power of two fully independent cores while saving a whole lot of space and power...

Fantasma · May 6, 2011, 01:40 AM

Well, only time will tell but, at least, AMD is taking a different approach with Bulldozer and it seems that it will be an efficient architecture. Maybe it's the beginning of a more competitive cpus.

Anyway, if AMD had released this processors some time ago (they have been delayed several times) we would see them from a different viewpoint.

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skylineaddict Sleep Deprived Ant Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 895 Rep Power: 136 System Specs	Re: AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface I'm a little disappointed with the performance of the CPU alone, but I won't make judgments until HH gets their hands on these chips __________________ Couldn't come up with anything snappy to say, so I'll just be awkward.

May 4, 2011, 01:31 PM	Thread Starter #3
blibbax What does this do? Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 4,260 Rep Power: 254 System Specs	Re: AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface They're also shooting themselves in the foot by describing a quad with their version of HT as an 8 core, imo. At least in the high end it just makes the performance even more embarrassing. If you look at it as a quad, and see it outstrip the current 6 core by that much, it looks like a mighty leap forward. With the right prices, platforms and headroom it could be a winner. Of course, we have no idea of the clock-speed of the CPU in that example. __________________ Donate the spare computing power of your PC to help to cure Alzheimer's, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease and cancer: Fold for HH!

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kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,019 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Re: AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface as long as its cost effective in the end... i wouldnt mind using it. however, if their 8 core CPU can only compete with intel's Quad with HT, i can see intel taking the lead because they have stronger single cores... with stronger individual cores, they will have the lead in programs that can only take advantage of 4 cores... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

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kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,019 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Re: AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface where do you get your information that the bulldozer cpus are only 4 cores? after looking at the released bulldozer design concepts, i see that each module holds two fully functioning cores that share resources between each other depending on the load. the 8 core bulldozer CPU is shown to be a 4 "module" chip but that is not the same as saying its a 4 core CPU... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

May 5, 2011, 12:37 AM	Thread Starter #8
blibbax What does this do? Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 4,260 Rep Power: 254 System Specs	Re: AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface The architecture makes it difficult to define what is a core, but what I've read so far suggests that it'll perform much more like a quad with HT than a "true" 8 core. __________________ Donate the spare computing power of your PC to help to cure Alzheimer's, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease and cancer: Fold for HH!

May 5, 2011, 12:59 AM	#9
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,019 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Re: AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface like i said, the modules have 2 cores, each with the ability to control the available resources of the module, making the single core a bit stronger whenever the second core has nothing to process.... seems nice but im skeptical to think that it can be as effective as HT... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

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caqde HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: US, IL Posts: 505 Rep Power: 66 System Specs	Re: AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface Seems like at least with PCMark the FX 8 core (? speed) is going to be slightly faster than the 2600K (If you look at the bars using a ruler tool like PixelWindow you can see that it is slightly longer than the 2600K bar) how much faster and under what circumstances we will see in the coming weeks I guess. __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 925 AM3/ Giga-byte MA790XT-UD4P XFX HD5770 1GB / 2x8GB of Geil DDR3 12800 10-10-10-28 Samsung SH-S182D DVD-RW drive / Sony Optiarc BD-5300S BD-RW drive Western Digital WD1501FASS(Primary)/Western Digital 15EADS(Secondary)/Western Digital 7500AACS(Secondary)/Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320gb(Secondary) Antec TP-550 / CoolerMaster CMStacker Sound Blaster X-FI Titanium Fatal1ty Professional / Creative Inspire 6600 6.1 speakers Samsugn T200HD 20" LCD Monitor / Logitech Internet 350 Black Keyboard Logitech MX510 Mouse

May 5, 2011, 07:14 AM	#12
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,019 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Re: AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface we can only wait and see now.... once the numbers are out, we can see how this architecture stacks up... AMD stated that this architecture was meant more for scalability and efficacy rather than pure performance. something about the module being able to put out 80% of the compute power of two fully independent cores while saving a whole lot of space and power... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

May 6, 2011, 01:40 AM	#13
Fantasma HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lorca (Spain) Posts: 757 Rep Power: 63 System Specs	Re: AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface Well, only time will tell but, at least, AMD is taking a different approach with Bulldozer and it seems that it will be an efficient architecture. Maybe it's the beginning of a more competitive cpus. Anyway, if AMD had released this processors some time ago (they have been delayed several times) we would see them from a different viewpoint.