IncrediMail Build 1287 Beta

Skull · Nov 6, 2003, 09:12 AM

IncrediMail is an advanced email program that offers you an unprecedented interactive experience. You can personalize your emails according to your mood and personality. Choose from an assortment of email backgounds, animations, sounds, 3D effects, E-cards and make them all become part of your email - not attachments. It even offers a collection of flash notifiers that will announce the arrival of new mail and add life to your desktop.

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Matth · Nov 6, 2003, 05:09 PM

Adware, aggressive self promotion (links in all your emails) and horribly bloated emails.

Do yourselves, and everyone else a favour, and give this garbage a miss ... Ok, I still use OE, but locked down as much as possible - when I get round to it, I'm dumping in favour of the virtually virus-proof Pegasus Mail.

Skull · Nov 6, 2003, 06:17 PM

I posted that for any ladies on the forum, they seem to like it ! (and if you pay for it, the ads and footer text vanish)

pegasus mail is good, wise choice, MS email clients arent too hot for security, another good alternative if you like security rich email is !thebat

Matth · Nov 7, 2003, 06:18 PM

Of the two people I know that use it, one is a Lady, the other is not.

Some people like the fairly aggressive alerting (in fact, in the second case, that's the reason for using it, as it can present an obvious and unmissable indication of new mail, even if you were away from the machine). There's probably some good freeware that can alert just as well.

I prefer a more basic mailer - but I don't think I'll be going quite THIS basic
http://www.washington.edu/pine/graph...s/mainmenu.gif

Hrrmph! ROTFLMAO
PAY for a mailer!
There is a ton of good freeware
Pegasus, Thunderbird, Mahogany (not heard of often, but its' a good looking Mail/News program)
http://mahogany.sourceforge.net/ - a very "mainstream" looking alternative mail program.

Zardon · Nov 7, 2003, 06:52 PM

wow now that IS basic !

**MIG-31** · Nov 7, 2003, 06:58 PM

just a little prehistoric.call that an email service

just the same outlook as some of they earliest home computer styles with just a little colour.

iwon't be bothering with trying that one out.

krazy1 · Nov 7, 2003, 07:22 PM

The Bat! is nice but a week ago they released a HUGE vulnerability on TheBat! and untill that is patched I am going to find something else. Have to see if I can find that e-mail here at work and post it here.....

krazy1 · Nov 7, 2003, 07:32 PM

Here is what I was e-mailed from the bug tracking list I am on. Got this on the 25th.....

'The Bat!' [http://www.ritlabs.com/] is a powerful, highly configurable, MULTI-USER,
yet easy to use email client.

I have discoverd some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'

mmm..., when a new account is created in 'The Bat!' It creates the account in %programfiledir%\The
Bat!\MAIL\ without implimenting any proper ACL! so even a guest
USER IS ABLE TO READ! THE "MESSAGES.TBB" "MESSAGES.TBI" of both 'INBOX' AND 'OUTBOX'
by just creating a new account [in a local or remote PC] and putting the files
in the NEW USERS 'inbox' and 'outbox' and using ! The Bat! itself to READ THE
FILE/email's.

More sevier, "MESSAGES.TBB" and "MESSAGES.TBI" are stored in PLAIN TEXT!!!

Even worst! The Bat! stores the password in Account.cfg of the users directory...
[say... %programfiledir%\The Bat!\MAIL\NEW_USER\] If there is another user have
equal right's! he could just delete the account.cfg and READ another USER'S PASSWORD
PROTECTED EMAIL WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM's!!!/RESTRICTION!!!

---------------------
FUNNY
---------------------
I copied the ACCOUNT.CFG file from the %programfiledir%\The Bat!\MAIL\ADMINISTRATOR
I WAS ABLE TO inject the encrypted password of mine [simply, using a hex editor] into
the ACCOUNT.CFG of \ADMINISTRATOR\ by copying it to a new directory and then
making few email adjustments etc... i was completely able to, not only HIJACK "MESSAGES.TBB"
and "MESSAGES.TBI"
of the admin. account but also TAKING CONTROL/ACCESSING/USE ACCOUNT.CFG of the ADMINistrator
form a guest account.

------------------------------------------------
Some possible solution, until update's are relesed!
------------------------------------------------
Creating the new user account in %userprofile% [when possible] insted of %programfiledir%\The
Bat!\MAIL\ or changing path of The Bat! folder to %userprofile% so that
ACL's of NTFS will handle the rest!

[After you create a new account [folder] in %userprofile% you could then simply copy
all of your goodees from %programfiledir%\The Bat!\MAIL\YOUR_ACCOUNT-FILE to
%userprofile%\YOUR_ACCOUNT-FILE
Checking proper ACL! manually, or implimenting proper rules by using a 3'rd party
software so that it's hard to SPY INTO "MESSAGES.TBB" and "MESSAGES.TBI" by unauthorised
USER!

--------------------------------
Shouldn't the developer's....
--------------------------------
Store the encrypted password in the headers of "MESSAGES.TBB" and "MESSAGES.TBI" insted
of seperate file!!! so that 'The Bat!' can effectively check if the file is
password protected or not before it opens the content!
Encrypting the content's of "MESSAGES.TBB" and "MESSAGES.TBI" [and other cfg files...]
insted of putting it all in a plain text!!!

I don't think the developrs wanna see a worm that grep's all the @ [heee... email
account's] from "MESSAGES.TBB" and "MESSAGES.TBI" files AND PLAY THRASH.....

--[Background Information]--
This bug was originally discovered by hUNT3R, a member of 01 Security Sumbission.
The vendor was notified via email.
http://www.ysgnet.com/hn

Necrosis · Nov 8, 2003, 02:31 AM

I used Incredimail in the past..works decently, and lots of eye candy but the problem is converting you rmail to from other programs. It will hose your arhives so BEWARE!

JLP · Nov 9, 2003, 10:05 AM

I agree. This app makes way too bloated mail messages. I tried many clients but now I'm extremely happy with Mozilla and in the future I will probably switch to Thunderbird.

Nov 6, 2003, 09:12 AM	#1
Skull Boney Admin Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 659 Rep Power: 59	IncrediMail Build 1287 Beta IncrediMail is an advanced email program that offers you an unprecedented interactive experience. You can personalize your emails according to your mood and personality. Choose from an assortment of email backgounds, animations, sounds, 3D effects, E-cards and make them all become part of your email - not attachments. It even offers a collection of flash notifiers that will announce the arrival of new mail and add life to your desktop. Download here

Nov 6, 2003, 06:17 PM	Thread Starter #3
Skull Boney Admin Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 659 Rep Power: 59	I posted that for any ladies on the forum, they seem to like it ! (and if you pay for it, the ads and footer text vanish) pegasus mail is good, wise choice, MS email clients arent too hot for security, another good alternative if you like security rich email is !thebat __________________ How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

Nov 7, 2003, 06:58 PM	#6
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,854 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	just a little prehistoric.call that an email service just the same outlook as some of they earliest home computer styles with just a little colour. iwon't be bothering with trying that one out. __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

Nov 7, 2003, 07:22 PM	#7
krazy1 Live from the Dungeon Join Date: May 2003 Location: Between the SubWoofers Posts: 1,395 Rep Power: 0	The Bat! is nice but a week ago they released a HUGE vulnerability on TheBat! and untill that is patched I am going to find something else. Have to see if I can find that e-mail here at work and post it here..... __________________

Nov 7, 2003, 07:32 PM	#8
krazy1 Live from the Dungeon Join Date: May 2003 Location: Between the SubWoofers Posts: 1,395 Rep Power: 0	Here is the Vulnerability Here is what I was e-mailed from the bug tracking list I am on. Got this on the 25th..... 'The Bat!' [http://www.ritlabs.com/] is a powerful, highly configurable, MULTI-USER, yet easy to use email client. I have discoverd some serious security holes in 'The Bat!' mmm..., when a new account is created in 'The Bat!' It creates the account in %programfiledir%\The Bat!\MAIL\ without implimenting any proper ACL! so even a guest USER IS ABLE TO READ! THE "MESSAGES.TBB" "MESSAGES.TBI" of both 'INBOX' AND 'OUTBOX' by just creating a new account [in a local or remote PC] and putting the files in the NEW USERS 'inbox' and 'outbox' and using ! The Bat! itself to READ THE FILE/email's. More sevier, "MESSAGES.TBB" and "MESSAGES.TBI" are stored in PLAIN TEXT!!! Even worst! The Bat! stores the password in Account.cfg of the users directory... [say... %programfiledir%\The Bat!\MAIL\NEW_USER\] If there is another user have equal right's! he could just delete the account.cfg and READ another USER'S PASSWORD PROTECTED EMAIL WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM's!!!/RESTRICTION!!! --------------------- FUNNY --------------------- I copied the ACCOUNT.CFG file from the %programfiledir%\The Bat!\MAIL\ADMINISTRATOR I WAS ABLE TO inject the encrypted password of mine [simply, using a hex editor] into the ACCOUNT.CFG of \ADMINISTRATOR\ by copying it to a new directory and then making few email adjustments etc... i was completely able to, not only HIJACK "MESSAGES.TBB" and "MESSAGES.TBI" of the admin. account but also TAKING CONTROL/ACCESSING/USE ACCOUNT.CFG of the ADMINistrator form a guest account. ------------------------------------------------ Some possible solution, until update's are relesed! ------------------------------------------------ Creating the new user account in %userprofile% [when possible] insted of %programfiledir%\The Bat!\MAIL\ or changing path of The Bat! folder to %userprofile% so that ACL's of NTFS will handle the rest! [After you create a new account [folder] in %userprofile% you could then simply copy all of your goodees from %programfiledir%\The Bat!\MAIL\YOUR_ACCOUNT-FILE to %userprofile%\YOUR_ACCOUNT-FILE Checking proper ACL! manually, or implimenting proper rules by using a 3'rd party software so that it's hard to SPY INTO "MESSAGES.TBB" and "MESSAGES.TBI" by unauthorised USER! -------------------------------- Shouldn't the developer's.... -------------------------------- Store the encrypted password in the headers of "MESSAGES.TBB" and "MESSAGES.TBI" insted of seperate file!!! so that 'The Bat!' can effectively check if the file is password protected or not before it opens the content! Encrypting the content's of "MESSAGES.TBB" and "MESSAGES.TBI" [and other cfg files...] insted of putting it all in a plain text!!! I don't think the developrs wanna see a worm that grep's all the @ [heee... email account's] from "MESSAGES.TBB" and "MESSAGES.TBI" files AND PLAY THRASH..... --[Background Information]-- This bug was originally discovered by hUNT3R, a member of 01 Security Sumbission. The vendor was notified via email. http://www.ysgnet.com/hn __________________

Nov 6, 2003, 05:09 PM	#2
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	Adware, aggressive self promotion (links in all your emails) and horribly bloated emails. Do yourselves, and everyone else a favour, and give this garbage a miss ... Ok, I still use OE, but locked down as much as possible - when I get round to it, I'm dumping in favour of the virtually virus-proof Pegasus Mail.

Nov 7, 2003, 06:18 PM	#4
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	Of the two people I know that use it, one is a Lady, the other is not. Some people like the fairly aggressive alerting (in fact, in the second case, that's the reason for using it, as it can present an obvious and unmissable indication of new mail, even if you were away from the machine). There's probably some good freeware that can alert just as well. I prefer a more basic mailer - but I don't think I'll be going quite THIS basic http://www.washington.edu/pine/graph...s/mainmenu.gif Hrrmph! ROTFLMAO PAY for a mailer! There is a ton of good freeware Pegasus, Thunderbird, Mahogany (not heard of often, but its' a good looking Mail/News program) http://mahogany.sourceforge.net/ - a very "mainstream" looking alternative mail program.

Nov 7, 2003, 06:52 PM	#5
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	wow now that IS basic !

Nov 8, 2003, 02:31 AM	#9
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	I used Incredimail in the past..works decently, and lots of eye candy but the problem is converting you rmail to from other programs. It will hose your arhives so BEWARE!

Nov 9, 2003, 10:05 AM	#10
JLP DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Slovenia Posts: 249 Rep Power: 0	Bloated Mail I agree. This app makes way too bloated mail messages. I tried many clients but now I'm extremely happy with Mozilla and in the future I will probably switch to Thunderbird. __________________ Get Firefox! Get Thunderbird!