Farcry.exe name change and the 6800 Ultra

zerodamage · May 5, 2004, 01:25 AM

There seems to be some concern over changing the name of the Farcry.exe file when using Nvidia's 6800 Ultra. There seems to be a performance change but I do not speak German so I do not understand what is exactly going on. You can see the original article in German Here: Chip.de.

If you want to read a badly translated version, use Babel Fish Here and choose German to English and use the HTTP link method.

Thanks to The_Neon_Cowboy for the heads up.

kalx · May 5, 2004, 01:49 AM

lol quite amusing for what i gather the nvidia card loses about 10 fps when you change the exe and bascially the nvidia driver has optimisations in it for the game specifically. Maybe someone should test all the other games benchmarked ?

any one got a 6800 and mind renaming some exes and benchmarking again ?

The_Neon_Cowboy · May 5, 2004, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zerodamage
Thanks to The_Neon_Cowboy for the heads up.

Thanks, and I believe what is going on is the performance drops sharply if you rename the far cry.exe to something else in this example they used FartCry.EXE

Which shows NVIDIA is using "application specific” optimizations,
Basically their cheating detecting when programs run and running them defiantly..

This is beyond the every application optimizations…

kalx · May 5, 2004, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
Thanks, and I believe what is going on is the performance drops sharply if you rename the far cry.exe to something else in this example they used FartCry.EXE

Which shows NVIDIA is using "application specific” optimizations,
Basically their cheating detecting when programs run and running them defiantly..

This is beyond the every application optimizations…

indeedy

Dom · May 5, 2004, 01:56 AM

Christ, when will nVIDIA stop this?

kalx · May 5, 2004, 01:58 AM

When they go bust , or develop something that doesn`t need tons of extra fruity features that arn`t really needed to sell itself.

EcPercy · May 5, 2004, 02:06 AM

so what exactly does this mean? every game that says "nshitia the way its meant to be played" is set up to show you what a piece of crap nvidia is and that they need to cheat just to get bigger numbers on the benchmarks? bleh.. i will stick with ati until they (nvidia) fold

The_Neon_Cowboy · May 5, 2004, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EcPercy
so what exactly does this mean? every game that says "nshitia the way its meant to be played" is set up to show you what a piece of crap nvidia is and that they need to cheat just to get bigger numbers on the benchmarks? bleh.. i will stick with ati until they (nvidia) fold

well thier hard ware sucks and thier just trying to comensate with out cheating the ati card still beats this cheat filled "hardware" and "drivers"!

Fantasma · May 5, 2004, 02:20 AM

I can´t beleive how a big company like nvidia cheats every game, I´m not going to buy nvidia unless they change its politics, I am tired of seeing bad image quality and games optimizations of nvidia hardware

kalx · May 5, 2004, 02:35 AM

Indeed this is not the first time and won`t be the last , if they haddn`t done this i woudl ahve considered jumping ship for ps3 and the nice benchmarks they orginally posted after "the inquirer" nvidia vs ati rumour mill shite, but after all this it really makes you wonder what nvidia as a company are doing. This sort of thing always gets found out and exposed it seems futile for them to do this since they are misleading the public.
People need to know that the way nvidia plays the game is by reducing quality and cheating.

Nvidia the way its not meant to be.

The only true casualty in all this is nvidia`s reputation.

Nvidia wowed us with the tnt2 then with geforce then the geforce 2 , geforce 3. Now they have to cheat to try regain thier crown. Bring back the old nvidia innovation and technology. This is the only way comapnies make progress.
Not by adjusting the lenght of the pitch.
or taking the inside line.

No_Style · May 5, 2004, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dom
Christ, when will nVIDIA stop this?

nVidia needs to go to Cheaters Anonymous.

**Just picture the Simpsons scene where Homer confessed to eating the dirt under the seats after a football game.

Counsellor: There's no shame in a little cheating, we're not here to judge. nVidia why don't you go first?
nVidia: Hi, My Name is nVidia. Last week I was so desperate to cheat that I added optimizations for the original Quake.

Others: GASP!
Counsellor: I condemn thee to hell!!

God, I'm so bored

tazdevl · May 5, 2004, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dom
Christ, when will nVIDIA stop this?

There's nothing wrong with application specific optimizations as long as IQ isn't sacrificed. These issues have been circling around the industry for longer than you'd suspect. ATI has done it and continues to do it as well.

grog · May 5, 2004, 03:40 AM

This is what I found on Chip Online. Looks much better!

Greg

Alistair · May 5, 2004, 04:59 AM

*sigh* I was actually beginning to think nVidia was finally jumping back into the high-end market full-throttle... Then this kinda stuff gets discovered... So much for convincing my roommate to buy the 6800 this summer when I get an X800. I actually wanted to see the two perform side-by-side if they were very close performance wise. I honestly can't in good conscience tell him he should get one of these now. Oh well guess we'll both stay ATI

kelston · May 5, 2004, 06:00 AM

Personally I just like how none of the guys who cried foul over DH's initial article about the 6800 cheats are posting in response to this. The truth kinda hurts I guess... but they're probably all masochists since "the truth" has been shown over and over again.

~~HawK~~ · May 5, 2004, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tazdevl
There's nothing wrong with application specific optimizations as long as IQ isn't sacrificed.

Sure..and they do, and this already has been evident.

Quote:

These issues have been circling around the industry for longer than you'd suspect. ATI has done it and continues to do it as well.

KWAK?.. wasn't even a speed optimization, continue to do so? where is your proof? show us the proof you have

Vampyromaniac · May 5, 2004, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dom
Christ, when will nVIDIA stop this?

let me know if he answers

BWX · May 5, 2004, 11:52 AM

There are screenshots from other reviews that show exactly what's going on with the image quality-

At least when it comes to reflections...

Go down to the FarCry pics- compare the top three rows, look at the reflections of the 5950 (which also cheats) and then look at the 6800 compared to the X800 and the 9800XT- the reflections on the Nvidia cards are all choppy and squared off- then look at the ATi pics- all the same and all smooth..
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...ml?89483&93863

Make sure you right click on the pics and choose "open in new window"- then position the pics on windows right over each other and you can see the differences easily while switching between them.. The 5950 looks worse that the 6800U- but they both look horrible compared the the correctly rendered image ATi cards produce.. I'm sure there are many more IQ sacrifices "the way it's meant to be optimized"

germanjulian · May 5, 2004, 01:34 PM

ahh no. you cannot use nvidia card and compare image quality since facry is still buggy (Caugh caugh). you need to run the nvidia card with an ati device id and the new drivers and the old drivers then you can compare image quality. comon driverheaven staff. this will be a killer article!!!!

austrianjan · May 5, 2004, 02:00 PM

Why change the ID again to test? It`s crystal clear that the image quality will be good, but the performance will suck compared to the new X800 Cards! Even the Pro version will be better than the 6800 Ultra with Radeon ID.

Zardon · May 5, 2004, 02:00 PM

im sure nvidia will make a public statement on it, or get Futuremark to do it for them if the drivers are "approved"

germanjulian · May 5, 2004, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by austrianjan
Why change the ID again to test? It`s crystal clear that the image quality will be good, but the performance will suck compared to the new X800 Cards! Even the Pro version will be better than the 6800 Ultra with Radeon ID.

Hi and welcome.

well first of all farcry does not render correctly on nvidia cards. IQ is much worse! the way to fix this is to use an ati device id. this has been discussed here a lot.

now there is no offical fix for this yet as far as I am aware.

the worse iq results in performance gain.

now we have drivers which also give performance gain.

OH boy!!!! 2 performance gain lol

***Veridian3*** · May 5, 2004, 02:26 PM

Its probably worth noting that HardOCP refused to publish the results with 61.11 because of IQ issues.

Another journalist i know also contacted me to let me know that there were some dodgy draw distance happenings however i cant confirm them because Nvidia wont let us near a card again...

Danhill · May 5, 2004, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Veridian3
Its probably worth noting that HardOCP refused to publish the results with 61.11 because of IQ issues.

Another journalist i know also contacted me to let me know that there were some dodgy draw distance happenings however i cant confirm them because Nvidia wont let us near a card again...

Has Nvidia giving you guys a response yet??

***Veridian3*** · May 5, 2004, 02:37 PM

Nope, only futuremark. (I think Nvidia would actually have to care what the end user thought before they would provide an official response).

Danhill · May 5, 2004, 02:42 PM

Thats not very proffesional done by a big company such as Nvidia.

Zardon · May 5, 2004, 02:53 PM

Although ive never spoken about this in detail and never will publically I will say Nvidias PR workings are generally quite baffling and professionalism doesnt seem to be high on their list of priorities.

austrianjan · May 5, 2004, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by germanjulian
Hi and welcome.

well first of all farcry does not render correctly on nvidia cards. IQ is much worse! the way to fix this is to use an ati device id. this has been discussed here a lot.

now there is no offical fix for this yet as far as I am aware.

the worse iq results in performance gain.

now we have drivers which also give performance gain.

OH boy!!!! 2 performance gain lol

I know, I read the whole thread about changin the device ID. That`s why I wrote that there`s no need to test it again. The performance was quite worse usin the Radeon ID but the image quality was good. Now we know the benchmarks of the new X800 cards which are in a lot of benches better than the new geforce. With a Radeon device ID the performance of the Geforce 6800 Ultra would be a lot worse than the new Radeon Cards.

btw: the new Geforce drivers seem to cheat in Far Cry. I wouldn`t take them seriously.

zerodamage · May 5, 2004, 03:27 PM

I seriously do not find fault in applicatoin specific optimizations as long as they do not over ride the user's settings and as long as there isn't optimizations in place to hurt IQ for the benefit of benchmark numbers.

This whole issue makes me wonder who the hell is really running Nvidia and how this nonsense can continue to take place. You would thing the shareholders or board or someone would step in and put a stop to this. This is all very confusing to me.

No_Style · May 5, 2004, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
im sure nvidia will make a public statement on it, or get Futuremark to do it for them if the drivers are "approved"

You make it seem like Futuremark is nVidia's b!tch~..

How long will nVidia last at this rate? It seems like with each release something digs them deeper into a hole.

May 5, 2004, 01:25 AM	#1
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Farcry.exe name change and the 6800 Ultra There seems to be some concern over changing the name of the Farcry.exe file when using Nvidia's 6800 Ultra. There seems to be a performance change but I do not speak German so I do not understand what is exactly going on. You can see the original article in German Here: Chip.de. If you want to read a badly translated version, use Babel Fish Here and choose German to English and use the HTTP link method. Thanks to The_Neon_Cowboy for the heads up.

May 5, 2004, 01:49 AM	#2
kalx DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Evil Mountain Lair Posts: 248 Rep Power: 0	lol quite amusing for what i gather the nvidia card loses about 10 fps when you change the exe and bascially the nvidia driver has optimisations in it for the game specifically. Maybe someone should test all the other games benchmarked ? any one got a 6800 and mind renaming some exes and benchmarking again ? __________________ ---------------------------------------------------> AMD FX51 / 2x OCZ 400 mhz 512MB DDR /ATi Radeon X800pro /19 inch DVI - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------->

May 5, 2004, 01:58 AM	#6
kalx DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Evil Mountain Lair Posts: 248 Rep Power: 0	When they go bust , or develop something that doesn`t need tons of extra fruity features that arn`t really needed to sell itself. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------> AMD FX51 / 2x OCZ 400 mhz 512MB DDR /ATi Radeon X800pro /19 inch DVI - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------->

May 5, 2004, 02:35 AM	#10
kalx DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Evil Mountain Lair Posts: 248 Rep Power: 0	Indeed this is not the first time and won`t be the last , if they haddn`t done this i woudl ahve considered jumping ship for ps3 and the nice benchmarks they orginally posted after "the inquirer" nvidia vs ati rumour mill shite, but after all this it really makes you wonder what nvidia as a company are doing. This sort of thing always gets found out and exposed it seems futile for them to do this since they are misleading the public. People need to know that the way nvidia plays the game is by reducing quality and cheating. Nvidia the way its not meant to be. The only true casualty in all this is nvidia`s reputation. Nvidia wowed us with the tnt2 then with geforce then the geforce 2 , geforce 3. Now they have to cheat to try regain thier crown. Bring back the old nvidia innovation and technology. This is the only way comapnies make progress. Not by adjusting the lenght of the pitch. or taking the inside line. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------> AMD FX51 / 2x OCZ 400 mhz 512MB DDR /ATi Radeon X800pro /19 inch DVI - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------->

May 5, 2004, 03:40 AM	#13
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May 5, 2004, 01:56 AM	#5
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Christ, when will nVIDIA stop this?

May 5, 2004, 02:06 AM	#7
EcPercy HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Iraq Posts: 1,535 Rep Power: 0	so what exactly does this mean? every game that says "nshitia the way its meant to be played" is set up to show you what a piece of crap nvidia is and that they need to cheat just to get bigger numbers on the benchmarks? bleh.. i will stick with ati until they (nvidia) fold

May 5, 2004, 02:20 AM	#9
Fantasma HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lorca (Spain) Posts: 757 Rep Power: 63 System Specs	I can´t beleive how a big company like nvidia cheats every game, I´m not going to buy nvidia unless they change its politics, I am tired of seeing bad image quality and games optimizations of nvidia hardware

May 5, 2004, 04:59 AM	#14
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	sigh I was actually beginning to think nVidia was finally jumping back into the high-end market full-throttle... Then this kinda stuff gets discovered... So much for convincing my roommate to buy the 6800 this summer when I get an X800. I actually wanted to see the two perform side-by-side if they were very close performance wise. I honestly can't in good conscience tell him he should get one of these now. Oh well guess we'll both stay ATI __________________ - Alistair

May 5, 2004, 06:00 AM	#15
kelston HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bayside, NY USA Posts: 360 Rep Power: 0	Personally I just like how none of the guys who cried foul over DH's initial article about the 6800 cheats are posting in response to this. The truth kinda hurts I guess... but they're probably all masochists since "the truth" has been shown over and over again.

May 5, 2004, 11:52 AM	#18
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	There are screenshots from other reviews that show exactly what's going on with the image quality- At least when it comes to reflections... Go down to the FarCry pics- compare the top three rows, look at the reflections of the 5950 (which also cheats) and then look at the 6800 compared to the X800 and the 9800XT- the reflections on the Nvidia cards are all choppy and squared off- then look at the ATi pics- all the same and all smooth.. http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...ml?89483&93863 Make sure you right click on the pics and choose "open in new window"- then position the pics on windows right over each other and you can see the differences easily while switching between them.. The 5950 looks worse that the 6800U- but they both look horrible compared the the correctly rendered image ATi cards produce.. I'm sure there are many more IQ sacrifices "the way it's meant to be optimized" __________________

May 5, 2004, 01:34 PM	#19
germanjulian Back in London Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London Posts: 1,797 Rep Power: 0	ahh no. you cannot use nvidia card and compare image quality since facry is still buggy (Caugh caugh). you need to run the nvidia card with an ati device id and the new drivers and the old drivers then you can compare image quality. comon driverheaven staff. this will be a killer article!!!! __________________ /\|\ Asus P5W DH Deluxe, Intel C2D E6600, 2GB Corsair XMS2-6400C4 DDR2, E-VGA GeForce 7800 GT, Creative X-Fi Extreme Music, 500GB Seagate 7200.10 SATA, Lian Li PC-V1100 Aluminum Case Black, etc. http://germanjulian.com /\|\

May 5, 2004, 02:00 PM	#20
austrianjan DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Why change the ID again to test? It`s crystal clear that the image quality will be good, but the performance will suck compared to the new X800 Cards! Even the Pro version will be better than the 6800 Ultra with Radeon ID.

May 5, 2004, 02:00 PM	#21
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	im sure nvidia will make a public statement on it, or get Futuremark to do it for them if the drivers are "approved"

May 5, 2004, 02:26 PM	#23
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 5,028 Rep Power: 182	Its probably worth noting that HardOCP refused to publish the results with 61.11 because of IQ issues. Another journalist i know also contacted me to let me know that there were some dodgy draw distance happenings however i cant confirm them because Nvidia wont let us near a card again...

May 5, 2004, 02:37 PM	#25
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 5,028 Rep Power: 182	Nope, only futuremark. (I think Nvidia would actually have to care what the end user thought before they would provide an official response).

May 5, 2004, 02:42 PM	#26
Danhill DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,112 Rep Power: 0	Thats not very proffesional done by a big company such as Nvidia. __________________ MOBO: [color=white]ASUS A8N-SLI Premium[/color] CPU: AMD 64 3200+ (Venice) @ 2,50 Ghz MEM: 2 x 512 DDR 466, VGA: 2 x 6600 GT in SLI, HDD1: WD Raptor HDD2: Maxtor Diamond Plus 9, Case: Antec Plus View 1080, PSU: ThermalTake PurePower 500W, MX 1000, Dell 2001 FP, Aud. 2 SZ

May 5, 2004, 02:53 PM	#27
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Although ive never spoken about this in detail and never will publically I will say Nvidias PR workings are generally quite baffling and professionalism doesnt seem to be high on their list of priorities.

May 5, 2004, 03:27 PM	Thread Starter #29
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I seriously do not find fault in applicatoin specific optimizations as long as they do not over ride the user's settings and as long as there isn't optimizations in place to hurt IQ for the benefit of benchmark numbers. This whole issue makes me wonder who the hell is really running Nvidia and how this nonsense can continue to take place. You would thing the shareholders or board or someone would step in and put a stop to this. This is all very confusing to me.