sunzt

Some rather interesting slides have made it onto guru3d - ill not go into any details or even state if they are "legit" but you can see them all for yourselves over here

thanks to sunzt for the headsup

Zardon

Some rather interesting slides have made it onto guru3d - ill not go into any details or even state if they are "legit" but you can see them all for yourselves over here

thanks to sunzt for the headsup

tazdevl

Horseshit. I highly doubt those are genuine.

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Zardon

well you would like to hope a company would handle it in a slightly more mature manner ! but im guessing they are fake myself.

davidnsibs

if they wern't fake (although as said above they probably are) it would show that nvidia are worried their card isnt good enough, as if they thought it was, they wouldn't need to worry about the competition

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The_Neon_Cowboy

I know them to have an extremely high chance being fake I’ll leave it at that…

Somebody has been collecting and putting spin on publicly available data apparently
An NVIDIA fan boy aka NVidiot has been busy...these people should grow up

People btw ps. 3.0 is nothing right now and NVIDIA it utilizing it all right, but only the faster parts… it’s kind of like partially supporting dx9… :rolleyes

Maybe one day when NVIDIA has good enough hard ware they'll role back the cheats and let you see their real world crappy performance....

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Zardon

I have just heard from a VERY good source these are not fake.

PoopyTheJ

Although obviously spin-laden, the R420 is built on older architecture and ATI's OGL performance blows compared to D3D. Why I'm not running linux right now in fact. It is a bit fishy that the R3x runs Dx9 so well and OGL so god awfully.

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Zardon

ATI have put all their resources into D3D, that will hopefully change - i should have an interview up in the near future from ATI and a part of it details OPENGL.

PoopyTheJ

Good Lord I hope so.

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ViRuS2k

I dont think these are FAKES.

been reading around a few good resorce forums and i gathered some information.

These were printed documents and given to the press..

confirmed at beyond3d forums.

if this is indeed true then NVIDIA TRULY SUCK.


UPDATE:

here is some more info

You can still find the original document here - ftp://ftp.tomshardware.com/pub/nvidia_on_kyro.pdf

more

HOAX? nope

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12731

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NVIDIA's responce: from HARDOCP

http://www.hardocp.com/

NV Comments On ATi?
Ronald Gasch, the main man over at 3DCenter, sent me a link to what is supposed to be an internal document from NVIDIA that is criticizing the ATi X800. Obviously all of this has to be taken with a few really big grains of salt because the “document” has several flaws in it which draw its authenticity into question. We are contacting NVIDIA for their comments and will update you as soon as we hear back from them.

Kyle's Update: I just got off the phone with NVIDIA PR front man Derek Perez. He did confirm that the slides linked above are NVIDIA's creation. The slide are just a few from a set of "20 or 30" that were developed by NVIDIA's USA Product Marketing team that were to be used only as a sales tool internally. Derek did say, "I am not going to apologize for them." He went on to explain how they need to outfit their sales teams as they see fit. Now that we are through that, we are hoping to see retail GeForce 6 hardware soon.


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LOOKS LIKE ITS TRUE NVIDIA DID CREATE THE SLIDES.

what lamors.

No_Style

I've been waiting to hear that for a long time.

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tazdevl

Based on my interactions with nVIDIA, I highly doubt that the presentation came from them. Not to mention the presentation itself is pretty poor, unprofessional and looks like a high school student wrote it. No offense to HS students .

Edit - well good to know it didn't come from the folks I know in Corporate Marketing.

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No_Style

Those are some harsh truths.

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tazdevl

They're still spun a bit.

Playing devil's advocate, I wouldn't say nVIDIA has had one of their best launches either especially considering Far Cry, the true story on PS 3.0, clockspeeds (Ultra Extreme), availability, etc... among other things.

Meh, I don't care who makes the GPU as long as the card I own works well.

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HawK

No do not think it is fake, NVidia has been doing these for years,
saw a simular one when the Kyro1 & 2* appeared, naming all the downsides true or half lie/truth, and leaving out their own downsides..
And i'm sure there were a few when the 8500/9700 came out.

*& Hercules lost his NVidia deal when it started to sell PVR-Kyro's

Bullying and lying... the way it's ment to be played....bah

Danhill

I belive Nvidia is afraid for the competitors

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mike2h

it was chidish of them to 'accidentally' release this. shows a lack of class. i also beleive what is said in the presentation is basically true. no way to get around that.
the proper method- used by both companies- is to have one or two 'independent' sites come up with this block of info. basically everything said in the presentation is already out there. just has not been put together 'till now.
still, very tacky.

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zerodamage

I have such low regard for companies and people who take other people's comments out of context like Nvidia did with Dave Bauman on this occasion. Nvidia is making it sound like Dave slammed ATI when in reality, the comment was a minus for Nvidia when read in full context. Maybe Dave should contact a lawyer about that.

blackdog

I really do hope this is fake because for a supposed proffesional company to put out something like that is disgusting. If it turns out to be true then my nForce board will go out the window fast cause I have no use for a company that resorts to a low form such as that

dpagan

whats posted is true nvidia isn't lying was it professional no but i is true how would i react if i was in charge of ati, well first off is not new technology it just a 9800 pro on steroids why sell it for 399.00 when our cost was way lower than nvidias, i say sell the x800 pro for $299.99 and the x800xt for $399.99 , nvidia won't know what to do but lower there prices which in the long run well kill there profit, next time they'll think twice before being so unprofessional, now who ever believes these cards are price just right is crazy there are great cards and i won't change from ati to nvidia any time soon but the cards are expensive ati is making a killing, they need to accept the fact that we know its old tech that we want it but at a reduced price hell its only fair

HawK

No it's not (read the spec's). but still it's a newer tech then the 8 year old TNT core, and how about the "new" features of the NV40 VS/PS 3.0 nice yes, does it work? No , so before NV starts to throw dirt maybe they should clean up their own yard first..

germanjulian

lol ...... thats all I can say

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dpagan

i'm not bashing ati i believe they have a great product you say read the spec's that doesn't make it new tech they just added more transistors to add a few more spec's to the card but it's still a 9800 at heart, those it merit 399.99 hell no

BiGBrOwNPimpsta

its confusing, but really we have to give both cards time, newer drivers and new apps/games will really show how it will go in the long run.

the margin of difference between a ti4600 and 9700 pro is larger now than before due to newer drivers from both sides.

so we will see what actually happens with shader 3.0, that's what im most concerned about.

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mkk

The slideshows seem right in line with the company profile so why would they not be real? The contents shouldn't surprise anyone who've been around a few years. It's just as difficult to get upset anymore either. The only real upset would be IF they were deliberately faked by anyone, but the likelihood of the slides origin makes that very unlikely. Since in the light of reality there is so little reason for surprise or additional upset, there wouldn't be all that much to gain for the hypotethical faker either.

The_Neon_Cowboy

This is why...

D3D = a sure thing long as windows is king= almost every game supports it

OPENGL= a lot less popular unless you roll back time a few years = some games support it or have an option for it but most run on d3d by default

So it only makes since to worry most about the majority of games and applications D3D.


what i know i can not say so bla bla bla yea yea yea

Just yanking your chain yep something needs to be done...
But if they do it pretty well seals NV's fate


Fits NV exactly then


Well according to MSRP x800pro is $399 the x800xt is $499 and usually as soon as their readily available you’ll se then online for about $100 less then MSRP…

Their great 2-3 x the card for the same prices as the MSRP for the 9800pro and 9800xt is awesome.


There is more then that there is ddr3 there is a new fab the r420 is made under there is added cache there is the over all size of the card has been reduced... power consumption is about the same as the 9800 while maintain much higher clocks, hdtv support , etc

There is a lot more stuff but some is still NDA material so I keep it to my self as opposed to accidentally leaking something I know I like to error on the safe side when it comes to this stuff.

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Fantasma

I agree on the high prices, but I don´t like this flaming.
Yes, ATI have used his old and very good technology in it´s x800 but it works well, however NVIDIA cards claim to have lots of features but really they don´t work!!!!, only in their demos which we don´t know if they use those features at all.

AlternateVirus

Lack of class, maturity, and professional. It doesn't matter if the slides have true information, it still show lack of everything on Nvidia part.

It look like they are desparate!! and they had the balls to claim ATi is desparate, at least ATi didnt leak the slides bashing Nvidia.

EcPercy

Its too bad they forgot to mention that they are still cheating at every turn