DH Article: Farcry Patch 1.2 Performance And IQ investigation

chronicidal · Jul 5, 2004, 05:10 PM

For some reason all you articles like these don't load the results for me. It's flash right? Well I went to the flash site and it worked fine there. Is there some setting I need to change? Because all I see where the flash should be is a big black empty box.

Rancho* · Jul 5, 2004, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by Veridian3
I've just finished speaking to Crytek, they will be releasing a build of patch 1.2 today which does not cause issues on the X800 . The flower issue may not be fixed though.

Somehow I doubt that Crytek will release the patch today 5th July. Right now it's about 8:45PM here in Germany and I would not expect the guys to work overtime. Keep in mind that also Ubisoft needs to upload it to it's servers.

My 2ct: It's getting delayed.

Zardon · Jul 5, 2004, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by chronicidal
For some reason all you articles like these don't load the results for me. It's flash right? Well I went to the flash site and it worked fine there. Is there some setting I need to change? Because all I see where the flash should be is a big black empty box.

no idea, its just flash....... happens to some people with sigs on this site too.....

try deinstalling flash and reinstalling.

ronnn · Jul 5, 2004, 08:14 PM

I think Crytek are doing a good job of trying to use all the features of new cards. They really want their engine to sell. When I buy a new system this winter - the vid card choice should be interesting - if yields improve. In Canada the only new card I see for sale is the x800pro at inflated prices. I am still holding out hope for a pci express quiet version of the x800xt at a realistic price, but at this rate the next gen will be released before anything is available.

Pluvious · Jul 5, 2004, 08:23 PM

I'm very impressed with your articles guys. The flash chart is amazing !! Great job !!

chronicidal · Jul 5, 2004, 11:10 PM

I tried deleting the flash.ocx and swflash.ocx files and reinstalling. I also deleted the registry dword about some compatibility thing. It still won't work. The flash just says that it's not loaded yet.

Zardon · Jul 5, 2004, 11:12 PM

sorry ive honestly no idea, ive tried it on around 6 different computers even three on other ISPs and its fine. its just flash, unless something is blocking it from loading on your end.

kelston · Jul 5, 2004, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by dipstick
I'm sure it is but ATi needs to jump in the game. It's always ATi that gets the short end of the stick. Not sure why but its definitely true from what I've seen in the last few years. I will give nVIdia credit though, they push their cards/features right down everyones throat. ATi needs to do the same

Personally, as much as I enjoy ATi cards and such, I really don't want to see ATi branded products. Frankly, it pisses me off to see nVidia branded products or Intel branded products. Game devs should be targetting all gamers equally, not all gamers but nVidia people more or Intel people more.

Couple that with the fact that ATi really got seriously burned by Valve after paying a hell of a lot for HL2, I can see why ATi doesn't want to get into that. Let's them keep some "street cred".

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 6, 2004, 12:24 AM

look like they added w buffer under watter and some other nvidia inveneted ati not supported... must of put tht on the wrong card specific path lol

nvida has to get something for thier countless millions they poured into cryotek

i'd be interested in seeing 1.1 vs 1.2 patch useing only PS 1.1 to see the performace diff...

I'd also like to see a 6800 device id used on the x800

chronicidal · Jul 6, 2004, 12:39 AM

Alright well thanks anyways. I got it to work in Firefox, but not MyIE2 or regular IE. So I guess I'm going to use firefox whenever I come to this site. :-)

dipstick · Jul 6, 2004, 01:01 AM

lol. There's no cheating neon, you can get an idea of this by the extremely bad FX performance which only got worse with this patch(cause of FP32 maybe?). Here's another good article or two on them.

http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.c...705/index.html
and
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid.../farcry30.html

Plenty of IQ shots for all

>GSXR<mrbusa · Jul 6, 2004, 02:33 AM

i cant believe how much hype this 1.2 patch is getting,i even started getting hyped myself.now the patch is not coming out today.i am dissapointed.

Pluvious · Jul 6, 2004, 02:38 AM

Yeah.. its Bull$H!T that all those sites reported it coming out today and we got ziltch!

**MIG-31** · Jul 6, 2004, 07:42 AM

so just as i thought.... the patch were not coming ontime.but still great article anyway.

***Veridian3*** · Jul 6, 2004, 07:55 AM

Maybe they decided to delay and fix the flower bug...

f0rbez · Jul 6, 2004, 01:32 PM

theyre probably enjoying all this hype. by the time they release it, everyone will have forgotten about fc.

Rancho* · Jul 6, 2004, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by Veridian3
Maybe they decided to delay and fix the flower bug...

Well, if they did why didn't they tell you so, but reassured you that they would release the 1.2 update on June 5th?

No offense meant Veridian3!

Maybe some of the folks at Ubi and Crytek should get some lessons in public relations management.

Pay a visit to the official FC forums and you will see what I mean. Locked threads all over the place. A simple informative post on the front page could have prevented that. After all making the patch reviews "PREVIEWS" without any date mentioned would have helped the most.

I heard the patch came via Nvidia to the sites? Is that correct?

Zardon · Jul 6, 2004, 11:31 PM

im not defending crytek but they did post about the delay on the front page http://www.farcry.ubi.com/ and its been up there since yesterday.

"Patch 1.2 is in its final stage of production: a nasty scoreboard bug and a CDkey security issue remain to be fixed, but otherwise a huge list of improvement/fixes have been implemented and tested successfully.
We’re now localizing all the readme files, and the final candidate will be tested extensively later this week to make sure it is really solid - we don’t want to rush in the last few days after such a long development time.

Thanks for your patience,
Matthieu Boulard – Far Cry UbiSoft Producer

For more information on the Far Cry 1.2 patch, including the current changelog, check out this post on the Far Cry forums.

In addition to the improvements mentioned in the updated changelog, the 1.2 patch will enable much-anticipated Shader Model 3.0 support for NVIDIA's new GeForce 6-series cards. Leveraging Microsoft's DirectX 9.0c, SM 3.0 support will enable gamers with supported hardware to achieve unprecedented levels of realism in their Far Cry experience. "

Rancho* · Jul 6, 2004, 11:34 PM

Yes Allan, but that post is from Tuesday 06.29.2004.

Zardon · Jul 6, 2004, 11:35 PM

Guess I better learn how to read the date eh ?

Chaos · Jul 7, 2004, 12:01 AM

~~Helios_D~~ · Jul 7, 2004, 12:33 AM

See, this was exactly my point. The author of the DH article and all those fan-boyish types cried foul and started using those emotionally-charged words adn throwing them around. What for? It just makes you look foolish and like PR puppets.

Against speculations, Zardon has proven that the issue is only with X800 series--and even that is getting fixed.

Embarrassed, now?

Those who are incensed over nothing (including the author who probably influenced teh fanboys with his influential status here at DH) should just chill, relax, and grab a can of beer.

Zardon · Jul 7, 2004, 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by Helios_D
See, this was exactly my point. The author of the DH article and all those fan-boyish types cried foul and started using those emotionally-charged words adn throwing them around. What for? It just makes you look foolish and like PR puppets.

Against speculations, Zardon has proven that the issue is only with X800 series--and even that is getting fixed.

Embarrassed, now?

Those who are incensed over nothing (including the author who probably influenced teh fanboys with his influential status here at DH) should just chill, relax, and grab a can of beer.

Its getting fixed because we reported it with some other people.

Stuart or myself are hardly PR puppets - we are here to find out the truth to these matters and also to find out how things can be improved, that is the whole point of these articles, certain sites wont post this stuff because nvidia will use strong arm tactics and censor opinions.

If we find issues we report them then they get fixed - which has been proven in this case - we will work with any company who works with us, and full marks to crytek for addressing this issue and talking to us in email to get this resolved.

People seem to comment on these things with a certain air of "smugness" as if they are aware of all the facts, trust me you arent.

Dom · Jul 7, 2004, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by Zardon
Guess I better learn how to read the date eh ?

It's the old age...

Zardon · Jul 7, 2004, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by Helios_D
See, this was exactly my point. The author of the DH article and all those fan-boyish types cried foul and started using those emotionally-charged words adn throwing them around. What for? It just makes you look foolish and like PR puppets.

Against speculations, Zardon has proven that the issue is only with X800 series--and even that is getting fixed.

Embarrassed, now?

Those who are incensed over nothing (including the author who probably influenced teh fanboys with his influential status here at DH) should just chill, relax, and grab a can of beer.

and this just proves my point also, your hatred for stuart - "sjae" "optimmimind", along with your other alaises on "other forums" always catches up with you doesnt it? next time use a proxy (if you still cant work it out email me) it makes our work more challenging.

rebanned.

Zardon · Jul 7, 2004, 12:57 AM

please guys, let the discussion continue, normal service is resumed

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 7, 2004, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dipstick
lol. There's no cheating neon, you can get an idea of this by the extremely bad FX performance which only got worse with this patch(cause of FP32 maybe?). Here's another good article or two on them.

http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.c...705/index.html
and
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid.../farcry30.html

Plenty of IQ shots for all

no cheating ? yea mean other then the proven FACT that Far cry detects device ID and runs diffrent paths acordingly meaning it runs quite diffrent acording to "card brand" afftecting not only IQ but frame rate

**Roadee** · Jul 7, 2004, 02:31 AM

I will just be glad when this patch get's released.......and will be over joyous when the expansion pak is released!!

dpagan · Jul 7, 2004, 03:27 AM

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Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
no cheating ? yea mean other then the proven FACT that Far cry detects device ID and runs diffrent paths acordingly meaning it runs quite diffrent acording to "card brand" afftecting not only IQ but frame rate

isn't that the way it's supposed to be, two different company's two different ways of making a gpu= two different paths?+ IQ and frame rate

Jul 5, 2004, 05:10 PM	#31
chronicidal DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 69 Rep Power: 0	For some reason all you articles like these don't load the results for me. It's flash right? Well I went to the flash site and it worked fine there. Is there some setting I need to change? Because all I see where the flash should be is a big black empty box. __________________ Why? Why not? _________________________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Sapphire Radeon 9800XT Corsair 1024mb PC-3200 Maxtor 2x 80GB w/ RAID 0 AQ3: 44,918(Total) 3DMark03: 6,629 3DMark01: 19,898

Jul 5, 2004, 08:23 PM	#35
Pluvious Elisha = hottie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA CA. SF Bay Area Posts: 1,318 Rep Power: 0	I'm very impressed with your articles guys. The flash chart is amazing !! Great job !! __________________

Jul 5, 2004, 11:10 PM	#36
chronicidal DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 69 Rep Power: 0	I tried deleting the flash.ocx and swflash.ocx files and reinstalling. I also deleted the registry dword about some compatibility thing. It still won't work. The flash just says that it's not loaded yet. __________________ Why? Why not? _________________________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Sapphire Radeon 9800XT Corsair 1024mb PC-3200 Maxtor 2x 80GB w/ RAID 0 AQ3: 44,918(Total) 3DMark03: 6,629 3DMark01: 19,898

Jul 6, 2004, 12:24 AM	#39
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	look like they added w buffer under watter and some other nvidia inveneted ati not supported... must of put tht on the wrong card specific path lol nvida has to get something for thier countless millions they poured into cryotek i'd be interested in seeing 1.1 vs 1.2 patch useing only PS 1.1 to see the performace diff... I'd also like to see a 6800 device id used on the x800 __________________

Jul 6, 2004, 12:39 AM	#40
chronicidal DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 69 Rep Power: 0	Alright well thanks anyways. I got it to work in Firefox, but not MyIE2 or regular IE. So I guess I'm going to use firefox whenever I come to this site. :-) __________________ Why? Why not? _________________________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Sapphire Radeon 9800XT Corsair 1024mb PC-3200 Maxtor 2x 80GB w/ RAID 0 AQ3: 44,918(Total) 3DMark03: 6,629 3DMark01: 19,898

Jul 5, 2004, 08:14 PM	#34
ronnn DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 617 Rep Power: 0	I think Crytek are doing a good job of trying to use all the features of new cards. They really want their engine to sell. When I buy a new system this winter - the vid card choice should be interesting - if yields improve. In Canada the only new card I see for sale is the x800pro at inflated prices. I am still holding out hope for a pci express quiet version of the x800xt at a realistic price, but at this rate the next gen will be released before anything is available.

Jul 5, 2004, 11:12 PM	#37
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	sorry ive honestly no idea, ive tried it on around 6 different computers even three on other ISPs and its fine. its just flash, unless something is blocking it from loading on your end.

Jul 6, 2004, 01:01 AM	#41
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	lol. There's no cheating neon, you can get an idea of this by the extremely bad FX performance which only got worse with this patch(cause of FP32 maybe?). Here's another good article or two on them. http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.c...705/index.html and http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid.../farcry30.html Plenty of IQ shots for all

Jul 6, 2004, 02:33 AM	#42
>GSXR<mrbusa im a FREAK Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,107 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	i cant believe how much hype this 1.2 patch is getting,i even started getting hyped myself.now the patch is not coming out today.i am dissapointed.

Jul 6, 2004, 02:38 AM	#43
Pluvious Elisha = hottie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA CA. SF Bay Area Posts: 1,318 Rep Power: 0	Yeah.. its Bull$H!T that all those sites reported it coming out today and we got ziltch! __________________

Jul 6, 2004, 07:42 AM	#44
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,854 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	so just as i thought.... the patch were not coming ontime.but still great article anyway. __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

Jul 6, 2004, 07:55 AM	Thread Starter #45
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 5,028 Rep Power: 182	Maybe they decided to delay and fix the flower bug...

Jul 6, 2004, 01:32 PM	#46
f0rbez DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2004 Location: s jersey, us Posts: 176 Rep Power: 0	theyre probably enjoying all this hype. by the time they release it, everyone will have forgotten about fc.

Jul 6, 2004, 11:31 PM	#48
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	im not defending crytek but they did post about the delay on the front page http://www.farcry.ubi.com/ and its been up there since yesterday. "Patch 1.2 is in its final stage of production: a nasty scoreboard bug and a CDkey security issue remain to be fixed, but otherwise a huge list of improvement/fixes have been implemented and tested successfully. We’re now localizing all the readme files, and the final candidate will be tested extensively later this week to make sure it is really solid - we don’t want to rush in the last few days after such a long development time. Thanks for your patience, Matthieu Boulard – Far Cry UbiSoft Producer For more information on the Far Cry 1.2 patch, including the current changelog, check out this post on the Far Cry forums. In addition to the improvements mentioned in the updated changelog, the 1.2 patch will enable much-anticipated Shader Model 3.0 support for NVIDIA's new GeForce 6-series cards. Leveraging Microsoft's DirectX 9.0c, SM 3.0 support will enable gamers with supported hardware to achieve unprecedented levels of realism in their Far Cry experience. "

Jul 6, 2004, 11:34 PM	#49
Rancho* Warp2Search Join Date: May 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	Yes Allan, but that post is from Tuesday 06.29.2004. __________________ I have resigned from Warp2Search...

Jul 6, 2004, 11:35 PM	#50
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Guess I better learn how to read the date eh ?

Jul 7, 2004, 12:01 AM	#51
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,268 Rep Power: 167 System Specs	__________________

Jul 7, 2004, 12:33 AM	#52
~~Helios_D~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34 Rep Power: 0	See, this was exactly my point. The author of the DH article and all those fan-boyish types cried foul and started using those emotionally-charged words adn throwing them around. What for? It just makes you look foolish and like PR puppets. Against speculations, Zardon has proven that the issue is only with X800 series--and even that is getting fixed. Embarrassed, now? Those who are incensed over nothing (including the author who probably influenced teh fanboys with his influential status here at DH) should just chill, relax, and grab a can of beer.

Jul 7, 2004, 12:57 AM	#56
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	please guys, let the discussion continue, normal service is resumed

Jul 7, 2004, 02:31 AM	#58
Roadee Never forgotten Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rest In peace, Joe. Posts: 2,198 Rep Power: 69	I will just be glad when this patch get's released.......and will be over joyous when the expansion pak is released!! __________________ We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.