Nvidia SLIghtly shown up

***Veridian3*** · Sep 29, 2004, 06:42 PM

Today knowing that the 3DMark05 results were not going to go in their favour Nvidia released a press release in complete desperation. This press release claimed that a 2 PCI express NV40's (which are not yet in retail) on a SLI capable chipset (which is also not available yet) could score 7229 3dMarks in 3DMark05. Nvidia's claim was that this was the highest score ever achieved beating all competition.

Well the benchmark has now been available for 5 hours and already an ATI user has topped Nvidia's SLI score by a massive 466marks (7%) with a single X800XTPE. You can view the score here.

So thats the as yet unreleased system costing over £800 being thrashed by the currently available ATI card at only £350!

Thanks for pointing out the power of SLI to us Nvidia!

Shinjikun · Sep 29, 2004, 06:45 PM

nVidia is pathetic. This is just further proof -- but DAMN funny.

Dark Lord · Sep 29, 2004, 06:52 PM

lol take that nvidia

studbagel9 · Sep 29, 2004, 06:56 PM

Where did this article originate? Is it Driverheaven property? I think that the driverheaven headlines should be a little less biased. By that I do NOT mean that this story shouldn't have been reported, but I think that it could have been done in a more objective manner. Those are just my two cents anyway. Thanks for the information by the way

CDsDontBurn · Sep 29, 2004, 06:58 PM

nVidia lags on everything. They know that all this shit is coming out, and don't do anything about it until the very last minute.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Sep 29, 2004, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by studbagel9

Where did this article originate? Is it Driverheaven property? I think that the driverheaven headlines should be a little less biased. By that I do NOT mean that this story shouldn't have been reported, but I think that it could have been done in a more objective manner. Those are just my two cents anyway. Thanks for the information by the way

Not really If NV make a obsurd claim if it's proven false it's big news...
even if your an ati or nv fan

Zardon · Sep 29, 2004, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by studbagel9

Where did this article originate? Is it Driverheaven property? I think that the driverheaven headlines should be a little less biased. By that I do NOT mean that this story shouldn't have been reported, but I think that it could have been done in a more objective manner. Those are just my two cents anyway. Thanks for the information by the way

Ah come on its meant to be a funny title. And it originated on the inquirer today, and its all fact

nice 3dmark05 score isnt it from a single ATI board?

pr0digal jenius · Sep 29, 2004, 07:08 PM

haha...pwnt

i do want to throw in ym 2 cents tho:
in 3dmark multi-processor PCs gain no advantage over single processor PCs whereas in realworld situations this si hardly true...i'm wondering if dual GPU is the same way?

dpagan · Sep 29, 2004, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by studbagel9

Where did this article originate? Is it Driverheaven property? I think that the driverheaven headlines should be a little less biased. By that I do NOT mean that this story shouldn't have been reported, but I think that it could have been done in a more objective manner. Those are just my two cents anyway. Thanks for the information by the way

believe me when i say there's not one sane person out there that doesn't know by now that this website favors ATI it is sad cause you're right it should be presented in a objective manner and the trash talk left for the forums, but then again it's not my website, if it was the last thing i would want is to alienate myself from nvidia users, instead of bringing all gamers together to discuss there views all there doing is trashing nvidia, i guess there mission is to make ATI buyers feel good about there purchase

~~HawK~~ · Sep 29, 2004, 07:13 PM

Is it me or is NVidia's PR getting sillier every day?
Time NV start to work get their crown back, instead of making Monty Python moves..

Zardon · Sep 29, 2004, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dpagan

believe me when i say there's not one sane person out there that doesn't know by now that this website favors ATI it is sad cause you're right it should be presented in a objective manner and the trash talk left for the forums, but then again it's not my website, if it was the last thing i would want is to alienate myself from nvidia users, instead of bringing all gamers together to discuss there views all there doing is trashing nvidia, i guess there mission is to make ATI buyers feel good about there purchase

Yes of course we know this site is classed as being biased, but does it look like we care? Its meant to be a fun title and the inquirer posted this article today regarding SLI mode (which personally I think looks like its going to be great). This guy who has beaten that score with a SINGLE ATI card deserves a pat on the back, thats amazing.

I think people need to lighten up, and if you are an nvidia user and this site pisses you off then there are loads of Nvidia sites which will probably suit you better.

Remember this little fun piece isnt our guess work, its not us saying, "well we could beat the score on a X800XT PE". it HAS been beaten.

If nvidia want to make a big claim of SLI after seeing how ATI have hammered them today in 3dmark05, then they have to stand and be counted. Simple as that

Shinjikun · Sep 29, 2004, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0digal jenius

haha...pwnt

i do want to throw in ym 2 cents tho:
in 3dmark multi-processor PCs gain no advantage over single processor PCs whereas in realworld situations this si hardly true...i'm wondering if dual GPU is the same way?

MP computers don't really gain any performance increases unless the software being run specifically is designed to use the second processor. I haven't seen a game up to now that uses or gains performance from the second processor in an MP machine.

As for dual GPU systems that's a different story; on some sort of level (hardware\software) they are tied together so to speak so both GPUs share the load and there is a performance increase in that scenario.

Asmoday · Sep 29, 2004, 07:22 PM

Well, i have to say that i'm getting VERY tired of this fanboism...why can't we just get our hardware of choice and be happy with it? I know i always will get the hardware that is best performing/available and priced ok, at the time of purchase. I must also point out that i couldn't care less about what brand it happends to have.
I've used both Amd/Intel nvidia/ati over the years...i just don't get this loyalty towards manufacturers.

I recently purchased the 6800GT in my sig...i admit i wanted the x800xt, but you all know how hard they are to get these days, so i went for the next best thing atm. And i must say that im very happy with my choice of gfx.
Every piece of hardware has its pro's and cons....

/Asmoday

pr0digal jenius · Sep 29, 2004, 07:23 PM

good point shin *stands corrected*

even so....does nvidia have any 'SLI optomized' (you knwo it'll happen) drivers otu yet?

iguanas · Sep 29, 2004, 07:24 PM

i think 8.07 only favour 3dmark, i DONT get the 20% performance increase (~1000pt) that are showed in the benchmarks in ANY game or app besides 3dmark 05
im also think as asmoday... dont let yourself be a company fanatic. Your purchase will give you more satisfaction in this way!
always compare the pro vs the cons. dont let other people bias your decision.

***Veridian3*** · Sep 29, 2004, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Asmoday

Well, i have to say that i'm getting VERY tired of this fanboism...

Its not fanboyism...its fact...and funny too.

Zardon · Sep 29, 2004, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Asmoday

Well, i have to say that i'm getting VERY tired of this fanboism...why can't we just get our hardware of choice and be happy with it? I know i always will get the hardware that is best performing/available and priced ok, at the time of purchase. I must also point out that i couldn't care less about what brand it happends to have.
I've used both Amd/Intel nvidia/ati over the years...i just don't get this loyalty towards manufacturers.

I recently purchased the 6800GT in my sig...i admit i wanted the x800xt, but you all know how hard they are to get these days, so i went for the next best thing atm. And i must say that im very happy with my choice of gfx.
Every piece of hardware has its pro's and cons....

/Asmoday

You seem to totally miss the point. this isnt about fanboyism it isnt about anything to do with whether me or stu prefer ATI or NVIDIA.

its all fact !!

EDIT: Why shouldnt you be happy with your 6800GT? didnt you tell me on MSN you scored almost 5500? does this article ruin that feeling for you? does it make your 6800 perform any less? I hope not. Perhaps its because you now own nvidia you are feeling company "Loyalty"?

Come on guys you have to admit its amusing, im sure SLI will improve as time goes on. it would need to.

Shinjikun · Sep 29, 2004, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Asmoday

Well, i have to say that i'm getting VERY tired of this fanboism...why can't we just get our hardware of choice and be happy with it? I know i always will get the hardware that is best performing/available and priced ok, at the time of purchase. I must also point out that i couldn't care less about what brand it happends to have.
I've used both Amd/Intel nvidia/ati over the years...i just don't get this loyalty towards manufacturers.

I recently purchased the 6800GT in my sig...i admit i wanted the x800xt, but you all know how hard they are to get these days, so i went for the next best thing atm. And i must say that im very happy with my choice of gfx.
Every piece of hardware has its pro's and cons....

/Asmoday

Each to his own; I won't criticize people for their hardware choices but will voice my opinion at nVidia THEMSELVES for their practices and other such nonsense they spew out.

Just because someone owns a card from nVidia doesn't mean I'll flame the individual; everyone is entitled to a preference and an opinion so it's their choice.

It's all good as long as someone doesn't say, "Well you have an nVidia Geforce XXXXX card you suck!".

***Veridian3*** · Sep 29, 2004, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by iguanas

i think 8.07 only favour 3dmark, i DONT get the 20% performance increase (~1000pt) that are showed in the benchmarks in ANY game or app besides 3dmark 05

I see 19% in doom3 at 16x12 4aa 16af... that make it ok?

The reason you dont see it anywhere at the moment is that few games fully utilise the full 256mb... D3 an 05 do.

DeeGee · Sep 29, 2004, 07:30 PM

Have you read the whitepaper on 3DMark05? They say that game test 3 has two different threads so you should get some help in that test from a dual cpu system.
Other one does the same stuff as in the other test and the another does some kind of trajectory calculation for the airship.

http://www.futuremark.com/companyinf...whitepaper.pdf

Quote:

In 3DMark05, an additional workload typical for the CPU in 3D games has been added. The CPU not only
calculates the vertex shaders; it also continuously calculates the flight path of the air ship. The air ship
actually flies the same path every time, in order to keep the workload the same between different
systems, but the calculations are performed as if it would intelligently steer according to the canyon shape
and other obstacles like the sea monster jumping up from the water. The path finding algorithm used is D*
Lite (http://www.cc.gatech.edu/fac/Sven.Koenig/).

The D* Lite algorithm is implemented in a different thread than the rendering. This is a forward looking
approach, since CPU technology is clearly is moving towards either virtual or physical dual core
technology. So far only few high-end gaming systems have two separate processors. A single virtual or
physical dual core processor is on the other hand becoming a more common choice for high-end gaming
systems. The CPU test is therefore run in two threads and not more than that. DirectX software vertex
shading is actually also threaded, which may bring further advantage to systems with a virtual or physical
dual core processor. Professional reviewers can disable the other CPU or the other core of a virtual or
physical dual core system, and compare the results.

dpagan · Sep 29, 2004, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

Yes of course we know this site is classed as being biased, but does it look like we care? Its meant to be a fun title and the inquirer posted this article today regarding SLI mode (which personally I think looks like its going to be great). This guy who has beaten that score with a SINGLE ATI card deserves a pat on the back, thats amazing.

I think people need to lighten up, and if you are an nvidia user and this site pisses you off then there are loads of Nvidia sites which will probably suit you better.

Remember this little fun piece isnt our guess work, its not us saying, "well we could beat the score on a X800XT PE". it HAS been beaten.

If nvidia want to make a big claim of SLI after seeing how ATI have hammered them today in 3dmark05, then they have to stand and be counted. Simple as that

his score is great and i do believe nvidia should have waited a little before they started to shows SLI numbers, you say to lighten up but then you state that if this website pisses me off to go somewhere else, i guess i'm not the only one that needs to lighten up, i was under the impression that this forum was used to express our opinions and thats what i did it probably didn't please many but as you stated who cares, and by the way i don't look at myself as an nvidia user i look at my self as a gamer, and as a person who likes to keep himself updated with news in technology, just because i expressed myself against the way your news has been posted i shouldn't be branded as an nvidia fanboy, when ati got trash in doom3 which is a game not a benchmark and didn't see me flaming ati about it

iguanas · Sep 29, 2004, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Veridian3

I see 19% in doom3 at 16x12 4aa 16af... that make it ok?

The reason you dont see it anywhere at the moment is that few games fully utilise the full 256mb... D3 an 05 do.

thanks for the enlightment

not posting before reading more again

Zardon · Sep 29, 2004, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dpagan

his score is great and i do believe nvidia should have waited a little before they started to shows SLI numbers, you say to lighten up but then you state that if this website pisses me off to go somewhere else, i guess i'm not the only one that needs to lighten up, i was under the impression that this forum was used to express our opinions and thats what i did it probably didn't please many but as you stated who cares, and by the way i don't look at myself as an nvidia user i look at my self as a gamer, and as a person who likes to keep himself updated with news in technology, just because i expressed myself against the way your news has been posted i shouldn't be branded as an nvidia fanboy, when ati got trash in doom3 which is a game not a benchmark and didn't see me flaming ati about it

Of course you look at yourself as an nvidia gamer, do a search on your posts in the past on this forum you are always getting really irritated with this site, which is why I said perhaps you should find a site which will post what you want to hear, not the facts.

Anyway lets get this back on track

Asmoday · Sep 29, 2004, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

You seem to totally miss the point. this isnt about fanboyism it isnt about anything to do with whether me or stu prefer ATI or NVIDIA.

its all fact !!

EDIT: Why shouldnt you be happy with your 6800GT? didnt you tell me on MSN you scored almost 5500? does this article ruin that feeling for you? does it make your 6800 perform any less? I hope not. Perhaps its because you now own nvidia you are feeling company "Loyalty"?

Come on guys you have to admit its amusing, im sure SLI will improve as time goes on. it would need to.

WTF!!
Come on!, my post wasn't directed to you or Stu, just generally speaking....im just tired of this In your face nVidia! In your face Ati!! Stuff going on everywhere....
I don't know, is there something wrong with that?

The_Neon_Cowboy · Sep 29, 2004, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0digal jenius

haha...pwnt

i do want to throw in ym 2 cents tho:
in 3dmark multi-processor PCs gain no advantage over single processor PCs whereas in realworld situations this si hardly true...i'm wondering if dual GPU is the same way?

Duel CPU is great for muti tasking but as for games and bechmarks verry few game support or have the need code to take advantage of a MP system
Not to mention you pay a toll there is alot more I/O over head. A fast single cpu is for most user cases faster then a duel cpu setup.

GPU's are sligly different sli I would guess = more I/O overhead... theres gott be some waste or added latency

A single card with dual cores would be faster and 50-75% cheaper then a SLI soultion becouse you could build a cheap but super high speed buss between them etc ...

dpagan · Sep 29, 2004, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

Of course you look at yourself as an nvidia gamer, do a search on your posts in the past on this forum you are always getting really irritated with this site, which is why I said perhaps you should find a site which will post what you want to hear, not the facts.

Anyway lets get this back on track

lol sure whatever you say, i guess "the facts" are only when it convinient for ati gamers like yourself, and don't worry last visit and last post, you're right they are better quality website out there

Zardon · Sep 29, 2004, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Asmoday

WTF!!
Come on!, my post wasn't directed to you or Stu, just generally speaking....im just tired of this In your face nVidia! In your face Ati!! Stuff going on everywhere....
I don't know, is there something wrong with that?

certainly not, but ask yourself this. if you didnt own an nvidia board, and if you followed this from a totally neutral viewpoint.

3dmark05 is launched, the scores clearly show with both newest offical drivers that ATI are winning substantially in the game tests, showing superior performance, right?

Nvidia's reply is to go to the inquirer with an article detailing testing with an SLI setup saying they have the best performance in the world, this is of course a PR stunt (and im not saying only nvidia do it but thats for another time) to take away some of the scoring problems.

With me so far?

Within 5 hours a guy running a single X800XTPE has the dual setup scores trounced totally.

Now thats newsworthy and we wanted a laugh with it, of course we could have called it "ATI user beats SLI NV scores", but does it matter?

Look at the facts

Shinjikun · Sep 29, 2004, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dpagan

lol sure whatever you say, i guess "the facts" are only when it convinient for ati gamers like yourself, and don't worry last visit and last post, you're right they are better quality website out there

You're getting the wrong impression; but in any event buh-bye!

mike2h · Sep 29, 2004, 07:50 PM

as much as i like nvidia this too much

lol.

Zardon · Sep 29, 2004, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dpagan

lol sure whatever you say, i guess "the facts" are only when it convinient for ati gamers like yourself, and don't worry last visit and last post, you're right they are better quality website out there

Actually I game on both cards, I have the luxury of getting both for nothing so I dont care who wins what as im not paying for it out of my own pocket. thats the difference here.

You are aware your post has just totally shown you up for what you said you werent right?

Hey if there are better quality websites out there, then go for it, thats the joy with the internet, always a million options, but im sure you will be back in a few minutes, like you have been for many months

Sep 29, 2004, 06:42 PM	#1
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 5,028 Rep Power: 182	Nvidia SLIghtly shown up Today knowing that the 3DMark05 results were not going to go in their favour Nvidia released a press release in complete desperation. This press release claimed that a 2 PCI express NV40's (which are not yet in retail) on a SLI capable chipset (which is also not available yet) could score 7229 3dMarks in 3DMark05. Nvidia's claim was that this was the highest score ever achieved beating all competition. Well the benchmark has now been available for 5 hours and already an ATI user has topped Nvidia's SLI score by a massive 466marks (7%) with a single X800XTPE. You can view the score here. So thats the as yet unreleased system costing over £800 being thrashed by the currently available ATI card at only £350! Thanks for pointing out the power of SLI to us Nvidia!

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Asmoday Demonic Join Date: May 2002 Location: In the cold, dark north... Posts: 5,198 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Well, i have to say that i'm getting VERY tired of this fanboism...why can't we just get our hardware of choice and be happy with it? I know i always will get the hardware that is best performing/available and priced ok, at the time of purchase. I must also point out that i couldn't care less about what brand it happends to have. I've used both Amd/Intel nvidia/ati over the years...i just don't get this loyalty towards manufacturers. I recently purchased the 6800GT in my sig...i admit i wanted the x800xt, but you all know how hard they are to get these days, so i went for the next best thing atm. And i must say that im very happy with my choice of gfx. Every piece of hardware has its pro's and cons.... /Asmoday __________________ How You can help Hardwareheaven by using Digg

Sep 29, 2004, 06:52 PM	#3
Dark Lord HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,945 Rep Power: 125 System Specs	lol take that nvidia

Sep 29, 2004, 07:08 PM	#8
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	haha...pwnt i do want to throw in ym 2 cents tho: in 3dmark multi-processor PCs gain no advantage over single processor PCs whereas in realworld situations this si hardly true...i'm wondering if dual GPU is the same way?

Sep 29, 2004, 07:13 PM	#10
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Is it me or is NVidia's PR getting sillier every day? Time NV start to work get their crown back, instead of making Monty Python moves..

Sep 29, 2004, 07:23 PM	#14
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	good point shin stands corrected even so....does nvidia have any 'SLI optomized' (you knwo it'll happen) drivers otu yet?

Sep 29, 2004, 07:24 PM	#15
iguanas DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	8.07 drivers i think 8.07 only favour 3dmark, i DONT get the 20% performance increase (~1000pt) that are showed in the benchmarks in ANY game or app besides 3dmark 05 im also think as asmoday... dont let yourself be a company fanatic. Your purchase will give you more satisfaction in this way! always compare the pro vs the cons. dont let other people bias your decision. Last edited by iguanas; Sep 29, 2004 at 07:30 PM.

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mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	as much as i like nvidia this too much lol. __________________