More NV30 Details Revealed

Shaith · Oct 19, 2002, 08:18 PM

The speculation and wondering is over, as theinquirer.net is reporting these new details on the NV30, which may well spell trouble for the folks in the ATi camp.

The NV30 will sport a 128-bit interface, which is half that of the Radeon 9700. However, all of the previous speculation on what kind of memory and how fast it would be never accounted for the coming availability of DDRII. Most industry insiders predicted the use of high end DDR memory for this card. So the revelation that DDRII will power this speedster has to come as a shock for most people. Produced by Samsung and scheduled to be widely available Q1 2003, this memory will enable the top of the NV30 line to sport an eyeball-smashing 1000 MHz memory clock. That's right boys and girls, the NV30 will have a 1 GHz memory clock - almost 400 MHz FASTER than the Radeon 9700. So come December, we just might be crowning a new reigning king of the hill - for a time.

Of course, as they say, the proof of the pudding is under the crust - it will be interesting to see if nVidia can actually pull this off in time to catch any of the Christmas rush, and more interesting will be the results. Still, in this game of cat and mouse, ATi has a reputation for having superior image quality. This may lend them the edge for some time to come as more and more gamers are demanding visual quality as much as they are raw framerates.

Only time will tell.

<em>Source: <a target="blank" href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5833">The Inquirer</a></em>

MiNd_tRiP · Oct 19, 2002, 08:24 PM

Awesome

So glad I decided to hold off on buying a 9700.

Candyman · Oct 19, 2002, 08:42 PM

Why buy the NV30 when it is released.....just get the R350!!

Zardon · Oct 19, 2002, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Candyman
Why buy the NV30 when it is released.....just get the R350!!

Or the NV35?

Arikel · Oct 19, 2002, 09:01 PM

The 9700 should still be a _lot_ cheaper than the NV30, particularly given the NV30's sick memory speed, so I'll probably go with a 9700 anyway. I was hoping to snag one toward the end of the year or the beginning of next.

weeble · Oct 19, 2002, 09:39 PM

well, ultimately as someone once said, you should buy your p.c. or parts at the store and they'll have an "obsolete" bin you can chuck the new parts into as you leave...

janusz · Oct 19, 2002, 09:39 PM

there go's my money agian

weeble · Oct 19, 2002, 09:44 PM

oh yeah, since everyone is comparing the "size of their rigs" as men do...
soyo dragon plus bd
xp 2100+
Lian Li 60 case w/enermax 465
gf4 4600
intel pro lan card
sb audigy platinum w/inspire 5700
microsoft intellimouse explorer 3
original ms natural kb
logitech cam
756 m pc 2700 crucial
wing man controller
compac ipac host
epson printer
microtek scanner
xp corp w/sp1
oh...and nothing is overclocked though the cpu runs at 41 degrees usually...heh

weeble · Oct 19, 2002, 09:46 PM

ooops forgot
16x dvd
40/12/48 sony cdrw
1 1000jb wd drive (system)
1 45 ibm (for asr backups)

Vampyromaniac · Oct 19, 2002, 11:25 PM

The more competition, the more prices will drop, and the sooner I can buy the AIW-9700

Rayder · Oct 20, 2002, 01:37 AM

I was watching Tech TV's "The Screen Savers" the other day and they had one of the designers of the 9700 on the show. He was saying that new DDR technology is the next step for the 9700 chipset. They had a prototype 9700 already fitted with DDR2 technology on the show. ATI is already on it.

Tech Tv's website is very vague about the interview when trying to find any info on it though. The below article is the only link I could find about it through TechTV. And IT'S talking about DDR3!

Here's the article from extreme tech:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...099TX1K0100486

Kelsenellenelvian · Oct 20, 2002, 02:03 AM

Hah I'll stick with Nvida and get the n30. I just can't wait for it.

Frodo301 · Oct 20, 2002, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by Shaith
Still, in this game of cat and mouse, ATi has a reputation for having superior image quality. This may lend them the edge for some time to come as more and more gamers are demanding visual quality as much as they are raw framerates.

Only time will tell.

IMHO when I went from the IQ of a Geforce 1 ddr-dvi to the IQ of the Radeon 8500 there was a huge increase in the overall image quality. I could see the text clearly in all resolutions and games looked fantastic. Going from a 8500 to TI4600 I see little if any difference in IQ. I now think it depends on which company you buy your Geforce from. Still, I'll be letting go of the 4600 soon, hopefully the 9700 will drop in price and I'll snag it up. No telling what the price of the nv30 will be.

Furious · Oct 20, 2002, 03:39 AM

I hope no one minds if I wait on a little more reliable source than the Inquirer.

Shaith · Oct 20, 2002, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious
I hope no one minds if I wait on a little more reliable source than the Inquirer.

I certainly don't. I'm still looking for another confirmation source - hence the single source credit on the article.

Ultimately though, when the smoke clears, I think it'll come down to price and buyer loyalty, just like it usually does. Of course, those needing to measure the size of their equipment will probably go with whatever clocks out faster.

ztride · Oct 20, 2002, 05:04 AM

i wonder what the core clock speed is... hmm....

it'll be stud if i got one of those...but Nvidia... geez = $$$

kbleft · Oct 20, 2002, 07:50 AM

This is bullshit. They just copied speculation found on 100 other sites.

Bambers · Oct 20, 2002, 10:11 AM

The bandwidth will still be less than the 9700s though as its only on a 128bit bus.

Talking in equivalent speeds 300Mhz on the 9700 pro will be 1200Mhz to Nv30s 1000Mhz.

What would be more interesting is rumours about bandwidth saving methods used as that will be a bigger factor here especially as ati has said the R300 can use DDRII memory.

Erroneus · Oct 20, 2002, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ztride
i wonder what the core clock speed is... hmm....
it'll be stud if i got one of those...but Nvidia... geez = $$$

Rumors fron anandtech says the core will run at 400 mhz.

RIV@NVX · Oct 20, 2002, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bambers
The bandwidth will still be less than the 9700s though as its only on a 128bit bus.

Talking in equivalent speeds 300Mhz on the 9700 pro will be 1200Mhz to Nv30s 1000Mhz.

What would be more interesting is rumours about bandwidth saving methods used as that will be a bigger factor here especially as ati has said the R300 can use DDRII memory.

Yup...
NV30 - 1000Mhz x 128 bit
R300 - 600Mhz x 256 bit = 1200Mhz x 128 bit (better memory, half bus).

I am going to buy 9700 in 5/2003, nearly by the end of school season... then it will be much cheaper then now.
Well, we will see the first benchies between NV30 and R300.
Anyway, R300 is my choice, but if NV increases IQ, battle will be much more interesting.

Rayder · Oct 20, 2002, 02:41 PM

The fact that ATI has always had options for video cards that let you do more than "just play games" on it is my reason for choosing ATI. They call them All-in-Wonders. Video editing abilities, right out of the box, you know? Nvidia had, what, a Geforce2 with a TV tuner ages ago that wasn't that great at it either. Nvidia charges too much for their cards too.

I have somewhat of a bias against Nvidia, they KILLED Voodoo and left users of those cards with NO updated drivers (except a bunch of "hack" drivers created by the loyal fan base), and they wouldn't even release the source code so that the "loyal fan base" could continue to use those cards very effectively. They let people believe that Voodoo was going strong all through that X-mas season, just to drop them in early January . And they never even bothered to use anything from that aquisition but to eliminate another video card maker from the market. Nvidia can go out of business for all I care. They'll never get one red cent of my cash.

This is not to say that I have anything against people who DO like Nvidia, to each their own, I'm just not going to be one of those people, that's all. Let's not fight about it, m'kay? That's what the "Flame Warzone" forum is for.

In reality, both Nvidia and ATI have their good points and bad points. No amount of arguing about it is going to change that fact, nor is it going to change anyone's loyalties as it pertains to video cards.

RIV@NVX · Oct 20, 2002, 04:05 PM

There is just one bad thing about AIW - when you change video card, you lose your TV card, VIVO card and everything it has on.

Vampyromaniac · Oct 20, 2002, 07:18 PM

not if your new card is a new AIW

nForcer · Oct 21, 2002, 04:25 AM

ATI-Best Value Card
nVidia- Power Card

ATI has always had more features on thier cards than nVidia. However, thier actual power has been less than par with nVidia.

nVidia has always geared thier chips for power, but they don't have any other selling features, nuff said.

...to those who are ready to post "Hey idiot, ATI has a faster/better card than the 4600 right now. Wake up man!" Here is my reply "You said it yourself "right now", but with each release, the other company out-does the last." My logic stays the same. ATI=Value, nVidia=Power. So save yourself the humiliation and don't bother posting that kind of reply, you just look like a fool.

Necrosis · Oct 21, 2002, 05:19 AM

I buy whatever is the best at the present time. I love ATI for their quality & Nvidia for their compatibility. Good to be on both sides of the fence.

Renegade[CSR] · Oct 21, 2002, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious
I hope no one minds if I wait on a little more reliable source than the Inquirer.

My thoughts exactly.

Also for all you people saying that you want to wait for this card and not buy the 9700, I doubt you will ever get a new video card.

My opinion, there will always be a better video card so just buy the best one out at the time. Its nearly impossible to buy a computer part and hope to never have to buy a similar one again

ztride · Oct 21, 2002, 09:14 PM

I know the NV30 is gonna beat the R300...

and also.. have you guys experienced that ATI cards have like sudden drops in FPS in games?
Just out of the cuts... dunno.. thats the only thing I hate.. if it wasn't for that (and some other compatible probs... I'd go for ATI..

but now I'm just all for speed... and Nvidia cards kinda makes games smoother... (personal opinon)

sometimes when thing get too clear.. it just hurts my eyes...

interpolation, motion blur... is needed... seems like nvidia does that but i dunno.. I still own a ATI card... we'll see.. no need to argue now..

Oct 19, 2002, 08:18 PM	#1
Shaith HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 916 Rep Power: 0	More NV30 Details Revealed The speculation and wondering is over, as theinquirer.net is reporting these new details on the NV30, which may well spell trouble for the folks in the ATi camp. The NV30 will sport a 128-bit interface, which is half that of the Radeon 9700. However, all of the previous speculation on what kind of memory and how fast it would be never accounted for the coming availability of DDRII. Most industry insiders predicted the use of high end DDR memory for this card. So the revelation that DDRII will power this speedster has to come as a shock for most people. Produced by Samsung and scheduled to be widely available Q1 2003, this memory will enable the top of the NV30 line to sport an eyeball-smashing 1000 MHz memory clock. That's right boys and girls, the NV30 will have a 1 GHz memory clock - almost 400 MHz FASTER than the Radeon 9700. So come December, we just might be crowning a new reigning king of the hill - for a time. Of course, as they say, the proof of the pudding is under the crust - it will be interesting to see if nVidia can actually pull this off in time to catch any of the Christmas rush, and more interesting will be the results. Still, in this game of cat and mouse, ATi has a reputation for having superior image quality. This may lend them the edge for some time to come as more and more gamers are demanding visual quality as much as they are raw framerates. Only time will tell. <em>Source: <a target="blank" href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5833">The Inquirer</a></em>

Oct 19, 2002, 08:42 PM	#3
Candyman [DH] Lover! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 284 Rep Power: 0	Why buy the NV30 when it is released.....just get the R350!! __________________ AMD Athlon XP 1700+ @ 2.53GHz Abit NF7-S v.2 Thermalright SP-97 w/ TT Smart Fan 2 2 x 512MB GeIL PC3500 Platinum DDR 2 x 120GB WD HDD - RAID-0 2 x 80GB Barracuda V HDD - RAID-0 ATI Radeon AIW 9800PRO SB Audigy 2 HP L2335 23" LCD (DVI-D) WinXP Pro SP2

Oct 19, 2002, 09:39 PM	#6
weeble DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 0	nv30 well, ultimately as someone once said, you should buy your p.c. or parts at the store and they'll have an "obsolete" bin you can chuck the new parts into as you leave...

Oct 19, 2002, 09:39 PM	#7
janusz Abit Staff Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 124 Rep Power: 0	there go's my money agian __________________ P4 3.06 @ 3.8GHz ABIT-BE7-G 512 pc 3500 3 Radeon 9700's @ 445/775 audigy 2 2X 200 WD special edition HDD's KURWA

Oct 19, 2002, 09:44 PM	#8
weeble DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 0	nv30 oh yeah, since everyone is comparing the "size of their rigs" as men do... soyo dragon plus bd xp 2100+ Lian Li 60 case w/enermax 465 gf4 4600 intel pro lan card sb audigy platinum w/inspire 5700 microsoft intellimouse explorer 3 original ms natural kb logitech cam 756 m pc 2700 crucial wing man controller compac ipac host epson printer microtek scanner xp corp w/sp1 oh...and nothing is overclocked though the cpu runs at 41 degrees usually...heh

Oct 19, 2002, 08:24 PM	#2
MiNd_tRiP DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Awesome So glad I decided to hold off on buying a 9700.

Oct 19, 2002, 09:01 PM	#5
Arikel DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 225 Rep Power: 0	The 9700 should still be a _lot_ cheaper than the NV30, particularly given the NV30's sick memory speed, so I'll probably go with a 9700 anyway. I was hoping to snag one toward the end of the year or the beginning of next.

Oct 19, 2002, 09:46 PM	#9
weeble DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 0	ooops forgot 16x dvd 40/12/48 sony cdrw 1 1000jb wd drive (system) 1 45 ibm (for asr backups)

Oct 19, 2002, 11:25 PM	#10
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Good times The more competition, the more prices will drop, and the sooner I can buy the AIW-9700 __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Oct 20, 2002, 01:37 AM	#11
Rayder Mostly lurking lately.... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,161 Rep Power: 73	I was watching Tech TV's "The Screen Savers" the other day and they had one of the designers of the 9700 on the show. He was saying that new DDR technology is the next step for the 9700 chipset. They had a prototype 9700 already fitted with DDR2 technology on the show. ATI is already on it. Tech Tv's website is very vague about the interview when trying to find any info on it though. The below article is the only link I could find about it through TechTV. And IT'S talking about DDR3! Here's the article from extreme tech: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...099TX1K0100486

Oct 20, 2002, 02:03 AM	#12
Kelsenellenelvian Master of my own Destiny Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: EverDawn Kingdom,TruEarth Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 0	Hah I'll stick with Nvida and get the n30. I just can't wait for it. __________________ [color=#0000ff] Download Windows Post-Install Wizard v4.3.8 and WPI Lite v1.2 Here [/color][color=red][color=blue][/color][/color]

Oct 20, 2002, 02:13 AM	#13
Frodo301 Outraged Join Date: May 2002 Location: The mountains Posts: 584 Rep Power: 0	Re: More NV30 Details Revealed Originally posted by Shaith Still, in this game of cat and mouse, ATi has a reputation for having superior image quality. This may lend them the edge for some time to come as more and more gamers are demanding visual quality as much as they are raw framerates. Only time will tell. IMHO when I went from the IQ of a Geforce 1 ddr-dvi to the IQ of the Radeon 8500 there was a huge increase in the overall image quality. I could see the text clearly in all resolutions and games looked fantastic. Going from a 8500 to TI4600 I see little if any difference in IQ. I now think it depends on which company you buy your Geforce from. Still, I'll be letting go of the 4600 soon, hopefully the 9700 will drop in price and I'll snag it up. No telling what the price of the nv30 will be. __________________ The greatest thing you'll every learn is to love, and be loved in return.

Oct 20, 2002, 03:39 AM	#14
Furious I'm blind not deaf!! Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I hope no one minds if I wait on a little more reliable source than the Inquirer. __________________

Oct 20, 2002, 05:04 AM	#16
ztride DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 80 Rep Power: 0	Re: i wonder what the core clock speed is... hmm.... it'll be stud if i got one of those...but Nvidia... geez = $$$

Oct 20, 2002, 07:50 AM	#17
kbleft DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 88 Rep Power: 0	This is bullshit. They just copied speculation found on 100 other sites.

Oct 20, 2002, 10:11 AM	#18
Bambers DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	The bandwidth will still be less than the 9700s though as its only on a 128bit bus. Talking in equivalent speeds 300Mhz on the 9700 pro will be 1200Mhz to Nv30s 1000Mhz. What would be more interesting is rumours about bandwidth saving methods used as that will be a bigger factor here especially as ati has said the R300 can use DDRII memory.

Oct 20, 2002, 02:41 PM	#21
Rayder Mostly lurking lately.... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,161 Rep Power: 73	The fact that ATI has always had options for video cards that let you do more than "just play games" on it is my reason for choosing ATI. They call them All-in-Wonders. Video editing abilities, right out of the box, you know? Nvidia had, what, a Geforce2 with a TV tuner ages ago that wasn't that great at it either. Nvidia charges too much for their cards too. I have somewhat of a bias against Nvidia, they KILLED Voodoo and left users of those cards with NO updated drivers (except a bunch of "hack" drivers created by the loyal fan base), and they wouldn't even release the source code so that the "loyal fan base" could continue to use those cards very effectively. They let people believe that Voodoo was going strong all through that X-mas season, just to drop them in early January . And they never even bothered to use anything from that aquisition but to eliminate another video card maker from the market. Nvidia can go out of business for all I care. They'll never get one red cent of my cash. This is not to say that I have anything against people who DO like Nvidia, to each their own, I'm just not going to be one of those people, that's all. Let's not fight about it, m'kay? That's what the "Flame Warzone" forum is for. In reality, both Nvidia and ATI have their good points and bad points. No amount of arguing about it is going to change that fact, nor is it going to change anyone's loyalties as it pertains to video cards.

Oct 20, 2002, 04:05 PM	#22
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	There is just one bad thing about AIW - when you change video card, you lose your TV card, VIVO card and everything it has on. __________________ -- Vedran

Oct 20, 2002, 07:18 PM	#23
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	not if your new card is a new AIW __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Oct 21, 2002, 04:25 AM	#24
nForcer Twice the fun! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,404 Rep Power: 0	ATI-Best Value Card nVidia- Power Card ATI has always had more features on thier cards than nVidia. However, thier actual power has been less than par with nVidia. nVidia has always geared thier chips for power, but they don't have any other selling features, nuff said. ...to those who are ready to post "Hey idiot, ATI has a faster/better card than the 4600 right now. Wake up man!" Here is my reply "You said it yourself "right now", but with each release, the other company out-does the last." My logic stays the same. ATI=Value, nVidia=Power. So save yourself the humiliation and don't bother posting that kind of reply, you just look like a fool.

Oct 21, 2002, 05:19 AM	#25
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	I buy whatever is the best at the present time. I love ATI for their quality & Nvidia for their compatibility. Good to be on both sides of the fence.

Oct 21, 2002, 09:14 PM	#27
ztride DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 80 Rep Power: 0	I know the NV30 is gonna beat the R300... and also.. have you guys experienced that ATI cards have like sudden drops in FPS in games? Just out of the cuts... dunno.. thats the only thing I hate.. if it wasn't for that (and some other compatible probs... I'd go for ATI.. but now I'm just all for speed... and Nvidia cards kinda makes games smoother... (personal opinon) sometimes when thing get too clear.. it just hurts my eyes... interpolation, motion blur... is needed... seems like nvidia does that but i dunno.. I still own a ATI card... we'll see.. no need to argue now..