Source Engine vs Doom 3 Engine

Ev!L-aLphA · Jan 31, 2005, 12:48 AM

To give you an idea of how weird it is to see people comparing a Valve engine to an id engine, consider that without id, Valve probably wouldn't be in existence. Gabe Newell left Microsoft and went into game development after he talked to the id development team and saw what they were doing. Even more ironic is that Half-Life used the Quake licensed engine from id. Now these are the top engines out there and something no other game will be able to top for a couple of years (Unreal Engine 3). Here's a comparison of each engine, not game, in each critical area of game development.

Read the full article over at DevMaster

BWX · Jan 31, 2005, 01:49 AM

That is an interesting review.
Why is FarCry's engine not considered one of today's top game engine's? Are the other two really that much more advanced?

I wonder how he can write one word about the sound without ever hearing HL2? Actually I can't understand why he has never heard HL2.. it seems like he would have by now..

Anyway, it is a good read-

**dj_stick** · Jan 31, 2005, 02:34 AM

it's a little harder comparing three engines as opposed to two

and it seems that neither game engine uses EAX - at least according to that review so there goes Creative's hold on the market for people buying machines just to play these games

No_Style · Jan 31, 2005, 02:54 AM

That "review" started out really well on the graphical front, but as soon as it dived deeper it all became irrelevant.All I could think of is SOF2 and other Q3 based and how much they modded it to suit their needs. An engine is only as good as the developer using it. I truly think both engines are great and they can only truly be compared when more developers make games for it and exploit what each can truly do.

A prime example is with the Source Engine. Both Vampire and HL2 used the Source engine, but Valve obviously implemented the engine to a greater effect than the folks over at Troika Games.

Licensing and support from the parent company is also a key factor when considering engines.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 31, 2005, 04:12 AM

Nice doom III fluff pice LOL they used thier PR shots ... Zero actual screen shots etc...

most important of all game play in wich doom III and hl2 are a world apart
shooting fish in a barrel in doom III with ai 's dumber then the dumbest thing known to man predictable paths etc... all indoor inviroments etc.....

What to know wich game was better? look at who's barrowing from whom? the doom III sequil will feature the HL2 like anti grav gun etc...

Now consider the millions on hl players tha have been playing foe th last six years vs a small doom III fallowing..

When DoomIII was done, i was done with the game i will NEVER touch the multiplayer or game again... HL2 and CS:s is something to be engoyed over and over and over....~
Heck to finsh the last have i had to use cheat codes to keep my intest...

Alot of players quit and never finshed and never will. they got so ubber board with the game they were coimplete done with it after just a couple levels...

Also 99.5% of the time on doom you dealing with ammo lockers and key codes and pass keys... take that out of the game and what do you have? nothing! Also it's bad when you know who the villian is and most of the story line is guessable in the first 15 minutes of play...

also the fact that the game is optiumzed for nvidia's shadows , AA, etc.... even running seprate lower bit texture paths etc.. on nvidia cards... didn't help the game any either

Doom III get a A for graphics, a D for phisics and F for game play (D adverage)
VS Hl2 A- for graphics, A+ for physics , and A+ for game play (A adverage)

Far cry looks nice defonsttly better then Doom III but more of a tie with hl2 by a nose

BWX · Jan 31, 2005, 04:38 AM

I didn't think he was that biased... he wasn't rating the game, he was rating the engine. Fairly accurate in a lot of his points I suppose.

-but also incomplete

Counterfe1t · Jan 31, 2005, 06:06 AM

very nice review though

Sargentwhitey · Jan 31, 2005, 06:49 AM

It wasn't bad.. although I pretty much agree with him with all of the results. Pretty much just reinforced what I was already thinking.

mainman · Jan 31, 2005, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

I didn't think he was that biased... he wasn't rating the game, he was rating the engine. Fairly accurate in a lot of his points I suppose.

-but also incomplete

Bud, the guy didnt even play HL2..

how the hell do you explain this.."I haven't had a chance to test out Half-Life 2." Now how on earth do you compare 2 engines used in two games if you didnt even play both games..

mike2h · Jan 31, 2005, 07:43 AM

maybe he talked to somebody that knew somebody that had played the game

actually, i thought it was a pretty informative article considering the length(which i liked) & the one self admitted limitation(given what it involved do not consider it that significant)
it is not & never was intended to be a comparison of d3 & hl2.

mainman · Jan 31, 2005, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike2h

maybe he talked to somebody that knew somebody that had played the game

wait....that made sense...YES..why didnt i think of that!!

mike2h · Jan 31, 2005, 07:55 AM

you just did not have enough time

hey mainman did you get a couple of popups while on this thread? i just did it was kinda weird.

mainman · Jan 31, 2005, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike2h

you just did not have enough time

hey mainman did you get a couple of popups while on this thread? i just did it was kinda weird.

Nop, nothing here...

mike2h · Jan 31, 2005, 08:36 AM

maybe i 'got' them from the article site?? have not seen them since.
maybe i just need some sleep

BWX · Jan 31, 2005, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Bud, the guy didnt even play HL2.. how the hell do you explain this.."I haven't had a chance to test out Half-Life 2."

I thought he just never heard the game, maybe he played w/o a sound card- or speakers? I dunno- that's what I thought.. Who knows.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike2h

you just did not have enough time

hey mainman did you get a couple of popups while on this thread? i just did it was kinda weird.

http://driverheavenuploads.co.uk/BWX/dh-ad2.png

http://driverheavenuploads.co.uk/BWX/dh-ad.png

Also a dating ad that comes up- pink color.

mike2h · Jan 31, 2005, 06:33 PM

thx! that would be them! thoght maybe i was going a little

. finally give proof to my wifes claims

Jan 31, 2005, 12:48 AM	#1
Ev!L-aLphA \| n f e c t e D Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,111 Rep Power: 60	Source Engine vs Doom 3 Engine To give you an idea of how weird it is to see people comparing a Valve engine to an id engine, consider that without id, Valve probably wouldn't be in existence. Gabe Newell left Microsoft and went into game development after he talked to the id development team and saw what they were doing. Even more ironic is that Half-Life used the Quake licensed engine from id. Now these are the top engines out there and something no other game will be able to top for a couple of years (Unreal Engine 3). Here's a comparison of each engine, not game, in each critical area of game development. Read the full article over at DevMaster __________________ R.I.P 8/8/04 4/21/08

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BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	That is an interesting review. Why is FarCry's engine not considered one of today's top game engine's? Are the other two really that much more advanced? I wonder how he can write one word about the sound without ever hearing HL2? Actually I can't understand why he has never heard HL2.. it seems like he would have by now.. Anyway, it is a good read- __________________

Jan 31, 2005, 02:54 AM	#4
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	That "review" started out really well on the graphical front, but as soon as it dived deeper it all became irrelevant.All I could think of is SOF2 and other Q3 based and how much they modded it to suit their needs. An engine is only as good as the developer using it. I truly think both engines are great and they can only truly be compared when more developers make games for it and exploit what each can truly do. A prime example is with the Source Engine. Both Vampire and HL2 used the Source engine, but Valve obviously implemented the engine to a greater effect than the folks over at Troika Games. Licensing and support from the parent company is also a key factor when considering engines. __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Jan 31, 2005, 04:12 AM	#5
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Nice doom III fluff pice LOL they used thier PR shots ... Zero actual screen shots etc... most important of all game play in wich doom III and hl2 are a world apart shooting fish in a barrel in doom III with ai 's dumber then the dumbest thing known to man predictable paths etc... all indoor inviroments etc..... What to know wich game was better? look at who's barrowing from whom? the doom III sequil will feature the HL2 like anti grav gun etc... Now consider the millions on hl players tha have been playing foe th last six years vs a small doom III fallowing.. When DoomIII was done, i was done with the game i will NEVER touch the multiplayer or game again... HL2 and CS:s is something to be engoyed over and over and over....~ Heck to finsh the last have i had to use cheat codes to keep my intest... Alot of players quit and never finshed and never will. they got so ubber board with the game they were coimplete done with it after just a couple levels... Also 99.5% of the time on doom you dealing with ammo lockers and key codes and pass keys... take that out of the game and what do you have? nothing! Also it's bad when you know who the villian is and most of the story line is guessable in the first 15 minutes of play... also the fact that the game is optiumzed for nvidia's shadows , AA, etc.... even running seprate lower bit texture paths etc.. on nvidia cards... didn't help the game any either Doom III get a A for graphics, a D for phisics and F for game play (D adverage) VS Hl2 A- for graphics, A+ for physics , and A+ for game play (A adverage) Far cry looks nice defonsttly better then Doom III but more of a tie with hl2 by a nose __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Jan 31, 2005 at 04:27 AM.

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BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	I didn't think he was that biased... he wasn't rating the game, he was rating the engine. Fairly accurate in a lot of his points I suppose. -but also incomplete __________________ Last edited by BWX; Jan 31, 2005 at 04:47 AM.

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Counterfe1t DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 440 Rep Power: 0	very nice review though __________________

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mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	maybe he talked to somebody that knew somebody that had played the game actually, i thought it was a pretty informative article considering the length(which i liked) & the one self admitted limitation(given what it involved do not consider it that significant) it is not & never was intended to be a comparison of d3 & hl2. __________________ Last edited by mike2h; Jan 31, 2005 at 07:51 AM.

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mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	you just did not have enough time hey mainman did you get a couple of popups while on this thread? i just did it was kinda weird. __________________

Jan 31, 2005, 08:36 AM	#14
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	maybe i 'got' them from the article site?? have not seen them since. maybe i just need some sleep __________________

Jan 31, 2005, 06:33 PM	#16
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	thx! that would be them! thoght maybe i was going a little . finally give proof to my wifes claims __________________