New copy-proof DVDs on the way?

**MIG-31** · Feb 15, 2005, 07:20 AM

Content-protection company Macrovision is expected to release a new DVD copy-protection technology Tuesday in hopes of substantially broadening its role in Hollywood's antipiracy effort.

The company is pointing to the failure of the copy-proofing on today's DVDs, which was broken in 1999. Courts have ordered that DVD-copying tools be taken off the market, but variations of the software remain widely available online.

Macrovision's new "RipGuard DVD" technology can prevent much of the copying now being done with those tools and can help bolster studios' DVD sales even if it's not perfect, company executives say.

"Encryption standards either work or they don't," said Adam Gervin, Macrovision's senior director of marketing, "Now the cat's out of the bag. (DVD sales) are going to be one of the main sources of revenue for Hollywood for a long time, so why leave billions of dollars on the table when you can do something about it?"
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Mr cairo · Feb 15, 2005, 08:47 AM

monday 9am : new copy protection dvd's released to public
tusday 9 am : new copy protection dvd's super protection broken by hacker groups
wednesday 9 am : New tools to rip copy protection dvd's appear on the internet
Thursday 9 am : Macrovision people cry

it will probably work for a month or so then somone will beat it

mike2h · Feb 15, 2005, 08:50 AM

meanwhile it will cause some sort of problem for some of the people buying these dvds.

TJ- · Feb 15, 2005, 08:58 AM

who the hell wants to pay $30 for a dvd..?

mike2h · Feb 15, 2005, 09:18 AM

who pays $30 for a dvd? most new releases are $14.99 to $17.99 upon initial release. they usually go up a couple of $ after the 1st few days then go back down a few months later.
they are actually cheaper than vhs on an average.
now when they 1st came out years ago $30 was not uncommon. i have several of those high priced dvds myself. unfortunately.

TJ- · Feb 15, 2005, 11:03 AM

well here in Australia when they come out they are 29.95 or 34.95.....

Rayder · Feb 15, 2005, 11:46 AM

Matters little to me. I'm not into copying DVD's.

But they BETTER work when I stick them in my DVD player.

Blurayfan · Feb 15, 2005, 11:58 AM

I will rip Macrovision a new one if this limits the compatible players.

Danhill · Feb 15, 2005, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cairo

monday 9am : new copy protection dvd's released to public
tusday 9 am : new copy protection dvd's super protection broken by hacker groups
wednesday 9 am : New tools to rip copy protection dvd's appear on the internet
Thursday 9 am : Macrovision people cry

it will probably work for a month or so then somone will beat it

Very true indeed, no matter how much they will try, someone or something will always break it, it's a challenge right???

Necrosis · Feb 15, 2005, 01:20 PM

I think they'll try to introduce this more /w the new standard for HD-DVD. Ha, ha if it's playable, then it can be ripped.

Matth · Feb 15, 2005, 03:09 PM

Basic problem - any protection "improvement" must remain compatible with the installed user base of DVD Player hardware, even if they don't care about upsetting those who play things in a computer, like the problems with protected audio CDs.

The more they break the original standards, the more likely they are to hit player compatibility problems, but then if you can't play it, that's as protected as you can get!

EcPercy · Feb 15, 2005, 05:47 PM

The first DVD that I buy that does not work in all of my DVD players (including PS2) will be the last DVD I ever buy.

peterosesbookie · Feb 15, 2005, 07:50 PM

In my view, I believe that Slysoft will be the first to crack this new copy protection with anydvd. They were able to crack the ArCCOS that sony has released and updates that database as soon as a new disc is released. It will only be a matter of time once a disc is released with the new protection. I love anydvd.

later

pete

Dark Lord · Feb 15, 2005, 08:02 PM

so far the only problem ive had with any recent DVD's was Resident Evil Apocolypse. the thing worked in all my dvd players except for my dvd-rom.

i "purchased" the newest version of PowerDVD 6 CLJ delux and it worked just fine after that.

kalx · Feb 15, 2005, 08:06 PM

These better play on linux.
or they dont stand a chance of not being hacked.

Zelig · Feb 15, 2005, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cairo

monday 9am : new copy protection dvd's released to public
tusday 9 am : new copy protection dvd's super protection broken by hacker groups
wednesday 9 am : New tools to rip copy protection dvd's appear on the internet
Thursday 9 am : Macrovision people cry

it will probably work for a month or so then somone will beat it

I wouldn't be so sure, neither the DVD-Audio or SACD formats have been cracked yet, and they've been out for years now.

Paradox Enigma · Feb 16, 2005, 04:42 PM

drip.....drip.....drip....

....that's the sound of hackers.... salivating for a new macrovision scheme to crack.

kalx · Feb 16, 2005, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zelig

I wouldn't be so sure, neither the DVD-Audio or SACD formats have been cracked yet, and they've been out for years now.

Something has to be worth spending the effort to crack , as these formats you mention above are not really in general use there is no point.

Necrosis · Feb 16, 2005, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zelig

I wouldn't be so sure, neither the DVD-Audio or SACD formats have been cracked yet, and they've been out for years now.

Not a problem if you know enough about electronics; I have a modified Pioneer that plays both formats (BA-HA)!!!. The reasons why these haven't been cracked is because of the licensing issues not because they're infallible.

Zelig · Feb 16, 2005, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalx

Something has to be worth spending the effort to crack , as these formats you mention above are not really in general use there is no point.

Thousands of them are sold, many more SACDs compared to DVD-Audio, but mostly to audiophiles who run them on their own systems, not on computers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necrosis

Not a problem if you know enough about electronics; I have a modified Pioneer that plays both formats (BA-HA)!!!. The reasons why these haven't been cracked is because of the licensing issues not because they're infallible.

Not a computer drive. There are no computer drives that can play SACDs. I know that they could be cracked, but the fact remains that they havn't, and to anyone woh expects every new copy-protection format to quickly be broken will be disappointed.

Necrosis · Feb 16, 2005, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zelig

Not a computer drive. There are no computer drives that can play SACDs. I know that they could be cracked, but the fact remains that they havn't, and to anyone woh expects every new copy-protection format to quickly be broken will be disappointed.

Like it was said earlier there still has to be some level of compatability /w current DVD's. However, with the new higher def. dvd's coming soon, currently our DVD-Rom's will not play them anyway. One can only hope we'll be able to hack the firmware for the new roms.

mike2h · Feb 16, 2005, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necrosis

Like it was said earlier there still has to be some level of compatability /w current DVD's. However, with the new higher def. dvd's coming soon, currently our DVD-Rom's will not play them anyway. One can only hope we'll be able to hack the firmware for the new roms.

different laser.

pr0digal jenius · Feb 16, 2005, 11:08 PM

"Build it and they will come...
...force it upon them and they'll decompile it."

mike2h · Feb 16, 2005, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0digal jenius

"Build it and they will come...
...force it upon them and they'll decompile it."

Necrosis · Feb 17, 2005, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike2h

different laser.

I know, that is what I ment by "new roms".

Tiribulus · Feb 17, 2005, 12:44 AM

There are people in this world who's entire commitment to living another day consists exclusively of seeing to it that as much piracy as possible takes place.. on sheer principle... right or wrong. Someone will defeat something this big even if it takes a little while.
>>>--Tiribulus->

mike2h · Feb 17, 2005, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necrosis

I know, that is what I ment by "new roms".

the firmware is no good without the laser. if you have the laser you do not need to hack the firmware.

Feb 15, 2005, 07:20 AM	#1
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,860 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	New copy-proof DVDs on the way? Content-protection company Macrovision is expected to release a new DVD copy-protection technology Tuesday in hopes of substantially broadening its role in Hollywood's antipiracy effort. The company is pointing to the failure of the copy-proofing on today's DVDs, which was broken in 1999. Courts have ordered that DVD-copying tools be taken off the market, but variations of the software remain widely available online. Macrovision's new "RipGuard DVD" technology can prevent much of the copying now being done with those tools and can help bolster studios' DVD sales even if it's not perfect, company executives say. "Encryption standards either work or they don't," said Adam Gervin, Macrovision's senior director of marketing, "Now the cat's out of the bag. (DVD sales) are going to be one of the main sources of revenue for Hollywood for a long time, so why leave billions of dollars on the table when you can do something about it?" _______________ Read More: c\|net __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

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Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	Basic problem - any protection "improvement" must remain compatible with the installed user base of DVD Player hardware, even if they don't care about upsetting those who play things in a computer, like the problems with protected audio CDs. The more they break the original standards, the more likely they are to hit player compatibility problems, but then if you can't play it, that's as protected as you can get!

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