Intel's Pentium D Price Half That Of AMD's X2

Iria · May 27, 2005, 03:08 PM

LONDON -- The "D" in "Pentium D" apparently stands for "discount".

Intel Corp. lowballed its way into the mainstream dual-core market on Thursday, launching the Pentium D at a price that's less than half of AMD's own dual-core chip.

As expected, Intel introduced three models of the Pentium D on Thursday: the 2.8-GHz Pentium D 820, the 3.0-GHz Pentium D 830, and the 3.2-GHz Pentium D 840. The three chips are priced at $241, $316, and $530, in lots of 1,000 units.

Intel also introduced the Pentium 4 670, a 3.8-GHz 64-bit chip that will round out the top end of its single-core platform, at $851.

Compared to the AMD Athlon X2, however, Intel's new Pentium D offers a dramatic discount. AMD's slowest 2.2-GHz 4200+ Athlon X2 is priced at $537, while the slowest Intel Pentium D, the 2.8-GHz 820, is priced at $241. Intel also offers a premium dual-core part, the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition, priced at $999. AMD has yet to update its microprocessor pricing page with the price of the X2, although executives have quoted those prices in briefings.

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AlternateVirus · May 27, 2005, 03:39 PM

discount? ummm, yea that make sense considering that its only a 2.8ghz intel where a x2 2.2ghz would blow the it out of nowhere. try 3.2ghz d840 against 4200+ and you got no discount at all.

amd could release 1.6ghz x2 for 250 bucks but why? The single core 3500+ would blow it out of nowhere in most apps at that. Even the multithreaded apps.

There is no needs for dual cores just like no needs for 64 bit because there is not enough softwares for both technology. So, there is enough time for AMD to try to sell those chips at high price and decrease the price when they need to, especially while they get the second fab of their ready. Once their second fab is ready, you should see dramatic decrease in price and AMD will be like it was before.

mike2h · May 27, 2005, 05:33 PM

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discount? ummm, yea that make sense considering that its only a 2.8ghz intel where a x2 2.2ghz would blow the it out of nowhere. try 3.2ghz d840 against 4200+ and you got no discount at all.

not sure that is true & your pricing comparison defintely isnt. try the math again.

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There is no needs for dual cores just like no needs for 64 bit because there is not enough softwares for both technology. So, there is enough time for AMD to try to sell those chips at high price and decrease the price when they need to, especially while they get the second fab of their ready. Once their second fab is ready, you should see dramatic decrease in price and AMD will be like it was before

while i tend to agree with most of what you are saying it sounds like you beleive amd is deliberately gouging their customers.

Vikingod · May 27, 2005, 05:43 PM

I think it is a good move on intel's part. It is good for us, the customer, as well. This just might be what AMD needs to lower the price of the X2's so poor folks like me can maybe afford the latest tech.

mike2h · May 27, 2005, 05:55 PM

got to love a price war!!

bug77 · May 27, 2005, 06:05 PM

Not to mention a(nother) paper launch.

hohum · May 27, 2005, 08:12 PM

Thing is although their processors are noticeably cheaper than AMD's dual-core offering, they're gonna cost you twice as much on your electricity bill thanks to their massive power consumption

AlternateVirus · May 27, 2005, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mike2h

not sure that is true & your pricing comparison defintely isnt. try the math again.

The 2.8-GHz Pentium D 820, the 3.0-GHz Pentium D 830, and the 3.2-GHz Pentium D 840. The three chips are priced at $241, $316, and $530, in lots of 1,000 units.

AMD's slowest 2.2-GHz 4200+ Athlon X2 is priced at $537....

D840 at $530 and 4200+ at 537, 7 bucks difference

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2410&p=1 shows D840 is comparable to 4200+, altho it is a mixed results, 4200+ showing excellence in most game tests and multitasking test there but intel tend to be excellent in general apps.

Does that clear up what I was trying to say in my first post?

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Originally Posted by mike2h

while i tend to agree with most of what you are saying it sounds like you beleive amd is deliberately gouging their customers.

They arent gouging anybody. That is just business of trying to stay alive and not kill the single core sales while they are trying to get the second fab ready for operation by 2006.

mike2h · May 28, 2005, 02:45 AM

sorry about the # mistake. got model mixed up.
no problem with their business model at all. just jumped the gun a bit 'cause if this were reversed somebody out there(not you) would be bitching about intels prices. wich is also why i put 'wink' after that statement.
either way it is all good for us.
& intel does need to get their act together as far as cpus go. with the capital & resources they have amd should never stay ahead of them for very long. & i am really sick of intels cpu naming system of the month thing. though amd is not a whole lot better.

yoda133113 · May 28, 2005, 03:24 PM

even if the cheap amd is as fast as the expensive intel, the cheap intels probably offer the most power for your buck out there, the 2.8 820 is probably better than anything else that is only ~$250

The_Neon_Cowboy · May 28, 2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AlternateVirus

discount? ummm, yea that make sense considering that its only a 2.8ghz intel where a x2 2.2ghz would blow the it out of nowhere. try 3.2ghz d840 against 4200+ and you got no discount at all.

amd could release 1.6ghz x2 for 250 bucks but why? The single core 3500+ would blow it out of nowhere in most apps at that. Even the multithreaded apps.

There is no needs for dual cores just like no needs for 64 bit because there is not enough softwares for both technology. So, there is enough time for AMD to try to sell those chips at high price and decrease the price when they need to, especially while they get the second fab of their ready. Once their second fab is ready, you should see dramatic decrease in price and AMD will be like it was before.

look back to the chicken and the egg. One has to come first and software is unuseable with out hardware support. Hardware is useable with out full software support. so the hardware comes first....come 2006 you 64bit openion and that dual core openion will have changed completely

cellerons however are a joke but it will help with "marketing" and "oems". AMd might fallow suit wih a cheap sempron or something

No_Style · May 28, 2005, 05:09 PM

It feels like I'm one of the few people who actually appreciates multi-threaded processors. Intel's introduction of the Pentium D line at a lower cost, not only looks great from a marketting perspective, but also from an adoption perspective. Like what they did with DDR2 and PCI-E, they're try hard to sell it so that the market can move forward.

I understand AMD's stance on why they're pricing their processors so high, but that pricing is going to spur people into adopting new technologies. Lately, it's been hardware companies like Intel (Dual-core, PCI-E and DDR2 adoption), AMD (64-bit and Dual-core in serve sector adoption) and NVIDIA (SLI adoption) who have taken it upon themselves to move forward with technologies and not wait for software to become available.

This is not to say that multi-threaded applications will be slow to adopt as well. Multi-threaded gaming is coming fast. These next generation consoles will be multi-threaded capable and thus games coming and going to these consoles will be multi-threaded in some fashion.

AlternateVirus · May 28, 2005, 06:46 PM

Unfortunely, its not going to take months to get everybody to switch to the new technologies. It still will take years to complete it, thus still give AMD enough time to drop the price when it is time to do so. PCI-E is already out there, no problem. DDR2? I don't think anybody needs it for AMD chips, Intel may be another story, but I still dont think DDR2 is ready for prime time. What else? Dual Core, I already said it.

LuCifer · May 28, 2005, 06:53 PM

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got to love a price war!!

LOL

No_Style · May 28, 2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AlternateVirus

Unfortunely, its not going to take months to get everybody to switch to the new technologies. It still will take years to complete it, thus still give AMD enough time to drop the price when it is time to do so. PCI-E is already out there, no problem. DDR2? I don't think anybody needs it for AMD chips, Intel may be another story, but I still dont think DDR2 is ready for prime time. What else? Dual Core, I already said it.

DDR2 is slated to be used by AMD in 2006 with their Socket M2 platform. DDR2 has the advantage of lower power consumption and higher speeds and that is why Intel is using it now. The reason why the prices are higher now, is due to the fact that AMD has not adopted it yet and the market is still full of DDR users. AMD Athlon X2's price is higher due to the manufacturing costs and low yields. Once the manufacturing process is refined, it won't be long until we see price drops.

This won't take as long as you may think.

AlternateVirus · May 28, 2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by No_Style

DDR2 is slated to be used by AMD in 2006 with their Socket M2 platform. DDR2 has the advantage of lower power consumption and higher speeds and that is why Intel is using it now. The reason why the prices are higher now, is due to the fact that AMD has not adopted it yet and the market is still full of DDR users. AMD Athlon X2's price is higher due to the manufacturing costs and low yields. Once the manufacturing process is refined, it won't be long until we see price drops.

This won't take as long as you may think.

If you read my previous post, you notice that I also said that once AMD get their second fab ready, the price should go down right after that.

DDR2 does have those advantages once it is in higher speed such as ddr2 800. I don't think lower than 800 is worth switching from ddr1.

The socket m2 should be very interesting to see. I wonder how many more sockets we going to experienced from AMD. I prefer having one socket for 2 years instead of new socket every 6 months.

No_Style · May 28, 2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AlternateVirus

The socket m2 should be very interesting to see. I wonder how many more sockets we going to experienced from AMD. I prefer having one socket for 2 years instead of new socket every 6 months.

Yeah, that's what I have yet to understand. AMD is increasing the pincount to 940 and calling it M2. I wonder what's unique about it. AMD went from a single socket for ages to a plethora of sockets.

yoda133113 · May 28, 2005, 09:49 PM

Intel's Yonah cpu (dual core pentium M) should be an interesting wrench thrown in the fight, especially with intel saying the netburst infrastructure is being phased out (death of P-4, and therefore P-D, on our doorstep???)

According to tom's hardware and AnAndTech the single core P-M does most things faster than the single core P-4 and the Athlon 64 FX-55.

It will actually probably be much better than the P-D and possibly be better than the X2.

Given the performance of the P-M if I was to pick a horse in the dual core fight i would seriously consider the Yonah rather than the X2. But I hope they all rock, better competition means better product for us in the end.

AlternateVirus · May 28, 2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by No_Style

Yeah, that's what I have yet to understand. AMD is increasing the pincount to 940 and calling it M2. I wonder what's unique about it. AMD went from a single socket for ages to a plethora of sockets.

940? i tho the pincount is going to increase to something like 1200 something? or is that for server socket? I can't remember

CDsDontBurn · May 28, 2005, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by No_Style

Yeah, that's what I have yet to understand. AMD is increasing the pincount to 940 and calling it M2. I wonder what's unique about it. AMD went from a single socket for ages to a plethora of sockets.

AMD's current s940 is designed for their Opteron chips. Are they planning on releasing a different socket pin layout for the M2 socket or something? This is all confusing to me ATM.

AlternateVirus · May 28, 2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

AMD's current s940 is designed for their Opteron chips. Are they planning on releasing a different socket pin layout for the M2 socket or something? This is all confusing to me ATM.

Despite motherboard makers originally expecting the M2 platform to use a 1,207-pin architecture, the M2 socket will be a 940-pin platform, the makers indicated. It will be AMD's Socket F architecture that will feature a 1,207-pin design, the makers added. Socket F will be introduced next year as well, and will be used for AMD's Opteron lineup, except for the 100 series, which will migrate to the M2 platform, the makers explained.

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20050509A6030.html

May 27, 2005, 03:08 PM	#1
Iria DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,275 Rep Power: 87	Intel's Pentium D Price Half That Of AMD's X2 LONDON -- The "D" in "Pentium D" apparently stands for "discount". Intel Corp. lowballed its way into the mainstream dual-core market on Thursday, launching the Pentium D at a price that's less than half of AMD's own dual-core chip. As expected, Intel introduced three models of the Pentium D on Thursday: the 2.8-GHz Pentium D 820, the 3.0-GHz Pentium D 830, and the 3.2-GHz Pentium D 840. The three chips are priced at $241, $316, and $530, in lots of 1,000 units. Intel also introduced the Pentium 4 670, a 3.8-GHz 64-bit chip that will round out the top end of its single-core platform, at $851. Compared to the AMD Athlon X2, however, Intel's new Pentium D offers a dramatic discount. AMD's slowest 2.2-GHz 4200+ Athlon X2 is priced at $537, while the slowest Intel Pentium D, the 2.8-GHz 820, is priced at $241. Intel also offers a premium dual-core part, the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition, priced at $999. AMD has yet to update its microprocessor pricing page with the price of the X2, although executives have quoted those prices in briefings. __________ Read More / Source: Extremetech

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mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	sorry about the # mistake. got model mixed up. no problem with their business model at all. just jumped the gun a bit 'cause if this were reversed somebody out there(not you) would be bitching about intels prices. wich is also why i put 'wink' after that statement. either way it is all good for us. & intel does need to get their act together as far as cpus go. with the capital & resources they have amd should never stay ahead of them for very long. & i am really sick of intels cpu naming system of the month thing. though amd is not a whole lot better. __________________

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yoda133113 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 309 Rep Power: 0	even if the cheap amd is as fast as the expensive intel, the cheap intels probably offer the most power for your buck out there, the 2.8 820 is probably better than anything else that is only ~$250 __________________ [color=Yellow]Guild Wars Character: Corrupted Bubbles[/color] "The muffin isn't picky, Timmy. Nor is it tasty! But it is powerful. All hail the muffin!" Cosmo, Fairly Odd Parents "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. He is not entitled to his own facts." Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan [color=Sienna]Gateway M680X P-M 750 1.86 GHz Alviso Mobility Radeon X700 128 MB 1 GB 400 MHz DDR2 60 GB 5400 RPM Hitachi HD QSI DVD+-RW DL 17" Widescreen [/color]

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AlternateVirus DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 282 Rep Power: 0	discount? ummm, yea that make sense considering that its only a 2.8ghz intel where a x2 2.2ghz would blow the it out of nowhere. try 3.2ghz d840 against 4200+ and you got no discount at all. amd could release 1.6ghz x2 for 250 bucks but why? The single core 3500+ would blow it out of nowhere in most apps at that. Even the multithreaded apps. There is no needs for dual cores just like no needs for 64 bit because there is not enough softwares for both technology. So, there is enough time for AMD to try to sell those chips at high price and decrease the price when they need to, especially while they get the second fab of their ready. Once their second fab is ready, you should see dramatic decrease in price and AMD will be like it was before.

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No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	It feels like I'm one of the few people who actually appreciates multi-threaded processors. Intel's introduction of the Pentium D line at a lower cost, not only looks great from a marketting perspective, but also from an adoption perspective. Like what they did with DDR2 and PCI-E, they're try hard to sell it so that the market can move forward. I understand AMD's stance on why they're pricing their processors so high, but that pricing is going to spur people into adopting new technologies. Lately, it's been hardware companies like Intel (Dual-core, PCI-E and DDR2 adoption), AMD (64-bit and Dual-core in serve sector adoption) and NVIDIA (SLI adoption) who have taken it upon themselves to move forward with technologies and not wait for software to become available. This is not to say that multi-threaded applications will be slow to adopt as well. Multi-threaded gaming is coming fast. These next generation consoles will be multi-threaded capable and thus games coming and going to these consoles will be multi-threaded in some fashion. __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

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AlternateVirus DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 282 Rep Power: 0	Unfortunely, its not going to take months to get everybody to switch to the new technologies. It still will take years to complete it, thus still give AMD enough time to drop the price when it is time to do so. PCI-E is already out there, no problem. DDR2? I don't think anybody needs it for AMD chips, Intel may be another story, but I still dont think DDR2 is ready for prime time. What else? Dual Core, I already said it.

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yoda133113 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 309 Rep Power: 0	Intel's Yonah cpu (dual core pentium M) should be an interesting wrench thrown in the fight, especially with intel saying the netburst infrastructure is being phased out (death of P-4, and therefore P-D, on our doorstep???) According to tom's hardware and AnAndTech the single core P-M does most things faster than the single core P-4 and the Athlon 64 FX-55. It will actually probably be much better than the P-D and possibly be better than the X2. Given the performance of the P-M if I was to pick a horse in the dual core fight i would seriously consider the Yonah rather than the X2. But I hope they all rock, better competition means better product for us in the end. __________________ [color=Yellow]Guild Wars Character: Corrupted Bubbles[/color] "The muffin isn't picky, Timmy. Nor is it tasty! But it is powerful. All hail the muffin!" Cosmo, Fairly Odd Parents "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. He is not entitled to his own facts." Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan [color=Sienna]Gateway M680X P-M 750 1.86 GHz Alviso Mobility Radeon X700 128 MB 1 GB 400 MHz DDR2 60 GB 5400 RPM Hitachi HD QSI DVD+-RW DL 17" Widescreen [/color]