MSI Preps Graphics Card with Two Interfaces.

**MIG-31** · Jun 2, 2005, 04:12 PM

MSI’s RADEON X800 XL Can Function Using PCI Express and AGP Busses.

Microstar International is demonstrating a rather unique graphics card that can operate using either AGP 8x or PCI Express x16 interfaces at Computex Taipei 2005 show. The product is not yet commercial, but is rather a concept, but it seems to be targeted at customers looking for inexpensive and gradual upgrade.

MSI’s Geminium VIII graphics card based on ATI RADEON X800 XL visual processing unit has two interfaces: native PCI Express x16 and “bridged” AGP 8x. In order to switch between the interfaces users will need to turn the board over and plug-in using necessary connector. The manufacturer seems to use ATI Rialto bridge to enable AGP interconnection for the graphics processor that does not actually support this bus, reports X-bit labs’ Anna Filatova from Taipei, Taiwan. The graphics card is able to function without hassles at full speed in both AGP 8x and PCI Express x16 systems, according to the maker.
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hohum · Jun 2, 2005, 05:11 PM

Ingenious

That'll certainly be handy for people currently on AGP systems, as they can upgrade their card now and still be able to use it at a later date when they decide to move to PCIe.

farkas · Jun 2, 2005, 05:29 PM

Yup, I'll be going that route for sure, if they do come out in eventually. I know that they have existed before, but mostly for game dev and related stuff, but in a time like this, with a transition from AGP/PCI to PCIe, those "hybrid" products are starting to become popular again, just like when we changed from ISA to PCI and from some CPU sockets to other ones in the past.

Right now, I have a AGP based system, and I dont feel like buying a CPU/MOBO RAM + video card at the same time just for an upgrade !

Anyways, the sooner and the more of them, the better.

Thumbs up for MSI

bananaman · Jun 2, 2005, 05:44 PM

what a great idea! bet these will popular cards for those not wanting to have to upgrade in one big go

nana

flabioh · Jun 2, 2005, 06:43 PM

So, wait... the card will actually be pointing towards the CPU in one of the configurations? Thermally is that a good thing or a bad thing?

jasonbourne · Jun 2, 2005, 06:46 PM

what a waste of time

hohum · Jun 2, 2005, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonbourne

what a waste of time

Because?

Tipstaff · Jun 2, 2005, 11:46 PM

So, you can either buy a motherboard that has both a PCIE and AGP slot on it like Albatrons PX915P (which it's AGP slot runs at PCI speed), or an AGP to PCI-E bridge card like the Albatron ATOP, or get a video card that has both connectors on it like this one.

If there are no performance 'disadvantages' using this card (by that I mean that if this card does run full speed in both AGP and PCIE modes) then I'm all for it. The only problem is... it's from MSI. And I hate MSI. Passionatly. Which makes me instantly skeptical of anything they release.

-Tip

caqde · Jun 3, 2005, 07:12 AM

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The only problem is... it's from MSI. And I hate MSI. Passionatly.

uhm. why? did you have a bad experience? Whatever anyways.

I think this is a great idea. If it gives the performance of the X800XL on both PCI Express and AGP and has no problems with thermals or other problems then this will definitly help me move to a PCI Express platform.

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MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 55,743 Rep Power: 444 System Specs	MSI Preps Graphics Card with Two Interfaces. MSI’s RADEON X800 XL Can Function Using PCI Express and AGP Busses. Microstar International is demonstrating a rather unique graphics card that can operate using either AGP 8x or PCI Express x16 interfaces at Computex Taipei 2005 show. The product is not yet commercial, but is rather a concept, but it seems to be targeted at customers looking for inexpensive and gradual upgrade. MSI’s Geminium VIII graphics card based on ATI RADEON X800 XL visual processing unit has two interfaces: native PCI Express x16 and “bridged” AGP 8x. In order to switch between the interfaces users will need to turn the board over and plug-in using necessary connector. The manufacturer seems to use ATI Rialto bridge to enable AGP interconnection for the graphics processor that does not actually support this bus, reports X-bit labs’ Anna Filatova from Taipei, Taiwan. The graphics card is able to function without hassles at full speed in both AGP 8x and PCI Express x16 systems, according to the maker. ________________ Read More: x-bitlabs __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

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farkas IT Support Specialist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ste-Anne-de-Beaupre, Québec, Can Posts: 175 Rep Power: 0	Yup, I'll be going that route for sure, if they do come out in eventually. I know that they have existed before, but mostly for game dev and related stuff, but in a time like this, with a transition from AGP/PCI to PCIe, those "hybrid" products are starting to become popular again, just like when we changed from ISA to PCI and from some CPU sockets to other ones in the past. Right now, I have a AGP based system, and I dont feel like buying a CPU/MOBO RAM + video card at the same time just for an upgrade ! Anyways, the sooner and the more of them, the better. Thumbs up for MSI __________________ K8N DLX (s754) A64 3200+ Thermalright XP-120 Corsair CMX512C2 X 2 1GB total Asus X800XT PE with ATI Silencer 4 rev 1 120Gb Sea SATA + 120GB WD PATA + 80GB WD PATA

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Tipstaff HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Torauna Posts: 6,658 Rep Power: 187 System Specs	So, you can either buy a motherboard that has both a PCIE and AGP slot on it like Albatrons PX915P (which it's AGP slot runs at PCI speed), or an AGP to PCI-E bridge card like the Albatron ATOP, or get a video card that has both connectors on it like this one. If there are no performance 'disadvantages' using this card (by that I mean that if this card does run full speed in both AGP and PCIE modes) then I'm all for it. The only problem is... it's from MSI. And I hate MSI. Passionatly. Which makes me instantly skeptical of anything they release. -Tip __________________ Portal: The Flash Version _________________________________ Brain: So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker? Mr. Sackett: The second cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker I've sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick.

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hohum HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 298 Rep Power: 54	Ingenious That'll certainly be handy for people currently on AGP systems, as they can upgrade their card now and still be able to use it at a later date when they decide to move to PCIe.

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flabioh DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	So, wait... the card will actually be pointing towards the CPU in one of the configurations? Thermally is that a good thing or a bad thing?