Longhorn Preview

daRk_heLmet · Jul 6, 2005, 03:29 AM

The most recent build of Longhorn--Microsoft's next Windows--has some impressive visual touches, including the kinds of translucent objects found now in Apple's OS X, and more powerful ways of finding files. But it doesn't yet exhibit any breakthroughs in productivity, or promised features such as security improvements and smarter connections to handheld devices.

We tested the 64-bit version of the latest code released to developers (Longhorn build 5048) and have also viewed demonstrations of a subsequent build. The first beta version of the operating system is due for release this summer.
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CDsDontBurn · Jul 6, 2005, 03:32 AM

i want an alpha version to play around with.

daedal · Jul 6, 2005, 03:45 AM

Looks interesting but it also looks very bloated. Wait and see, I guess.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 6, 2005, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

i want an alpha version to play around with.

well you should know where to find them...

Ulric · Jul 6, 2005, 05:37 AM

Personally, I think this project is in dire need of help. Absolutely nothing about Longhorn intruiges me, and I don't believe I'll be buying it when it's released unless there's some serious improvements made. I don't use handheld devices, I don't need a faster method of searching for files, and I don't need a translucent desktop taskbar (or whatever). Maybe I'm pessimistic, maybe I'm cynical, but I'm certainly unimpressed.

I'm sorry for my "rant"; I'll move along now.

RIV@NVX · Jul 6, 2005, 08:15 AM

PCWorld review says: "But it doesn't yet exhibit any breakthroughs in productivity, or promised features such as security improvements and smarter connections to handheld devices."
It's quite obvious that Longhorn is not a lot more than XP with a new look and lots of new things you may want to turn off after using it for some time.
I don't no, but Linux/BSD field is a lot more interesting in recent times... and GNOME/KDE (MacOS X does as well, but that's not the poin here) desktops look a lot better than this, IMHO.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 6, 2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RIV@NVX

PCWorld review says: "But it doesn't yet exhibit any breakthroughs in productivity, or promised features such as security improvements and smarter connections to handheld devices."
It's quite obvious that Longhorn is not a lot more than XP with a new look and lots of new things you may want to turn off after using it for some time.
I don't no, but Linux/BSD field is a lot more interesting in recent times... and GNOME/KDE (MacOS X does as well, but that's not the poin here) desktops look a lot better than this, IMHO.

well there was alot of long horn stuff in sp2 so it hard to compair fairly and as we all know SP2 was a massive improvement to the XP OS

RIV@NVX · Jul 6, 2005, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

well there was alot of long horn stuff in sp2 so it hard to compair fairly and as we all know SP2 was a massive improvement to the XP OS

I can't think of anything other than Security Center and Windows Firewall, and I don't use either. Also, now I have to listen to stupid balloon popup on every startup because I have Automatic Updates turned off.
Nothing major I can think of. That wouldn't be a massive improvement for me.
Yeah, some drivers were added, but lot of stuff still requires 3rd party ones.

NUCLEARWINTER · Jul 6, 2005, 08:38 AM

Im Not Gonna Spend A Cent Of My Money On Any More Un-original Crap. Xp Is Most Certainly Better Than Me, But I Like 98 Better Than Xp. But New Developers Quit Coding For Older Os's. Really I Dont See Technology Making Strides As Fast And As Earth Shattering As A Few Years Ago. Could We Be Reaching The Pinnacle Of Technology's Growth?

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 6, 2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RIV@NVX

I can't think of anything other than Security Center and Windows Firewall, and I don't use either. Also, now I have to listen to stupid balloon popup on every startup because I have Automatic Updates turned off.
Nothing major I can think of. That wouldn't be a massive improvement for me.
Yeah, some drivers were added, but lot of stuff still requires 3rd party ones.

the full service pack "unpacked" but still compressed is like 326MB,
and I'd say quite a bit was changed weather you have taken notice it or not.
For refereance the original XP full install is only 460mb, with stuff still compressed.
Then you get another 40+ mb of windows updates in patches...

It more like a XP "second edition" then just a service pack
and they even ponderd just selling it as a XP SE...

You have to use the origial XP pre any service pack fairly it to compair it to long horn.
Where as people would be going wow! as oopsed to being unimpressed by mostly cosmetic changes.

mkk · Jul 6, 2005, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NUCLEARWINTER

Could we be reaching the pinnacle of technology's growth?

The slowdown has much to do with there really being no one in the overtake lane behind Microsoft, or even on the same highway. They'll keep getting even slower as long as there is no risk of someone putting a boot in their rear. The result of the web browser war where Microsoft came to a complete standstill is a relatively insignificant but telling tale.

I like WinXP+SP2 as much as I've liked any version of Windows, but much of its good sides comes from stuff it should have had from the beginning or at least with the first service pack. That we are eventually getting some "Longhorn" features with SP3 comes as a result from that we should already have had the new operating system. But the delay of Longhorn isn't really hurting Microsoft anything since there is no real competition, like how dragging their feet with the 64bit WinXP only hurt AMD and their respective customers. Unless the eventual release of Longhorn will prove to be the catalyst for 64bit support to ramp up seriously it will be a largely uninteresting affair at least initially, and many will wonder what the heck the buzz was all about. (Have to admit I'm glad that it wasn't about .NET though.)

I can't help thinking of Valve and the only thing that could spark a revolution would be a Steam powered Longhorn in 2007.

ZeroOne · Jul 6, 2005, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

i want an alpha version to play around with.

A hint : Bittorrent sites

RIV@NVX · Jul 6, 2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

the full service pack "unpacked" but still compressed is like 326MB,
and I'd say quite a bit was changed weather you have taken notice it or not.
For refereance the original XP full install is only 460mb, with stuff still compressed.

Let's rather not praise SP2 for beeing bloated in size. Tell me the features worth mentioning that SP2 brings. Nothing really major.

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Then you get another 40+ mb of windows updates in patches...

I never download them... they bring only uninteresting security stuff, while I rarely browse the internet from Windows so I don't care.

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You have to use the origial XP pre any service pack fairly it to compair it to long horn.
Where as people would be going wow! as oopsed to being unimpressed by mostly cosmetic changes.

I doubt I would notice any big differences.

It could be that size of SP2 or version numbers of files in it create warm fuzzy feelings for you, but that's not something that can make you say: "It's big improvement over XP.".

I agree that XP SP2 is the best Windows available. But it's just that and nothing more. The fact is: Compared to 9x, XP and 2000 are good OSes. Compared to Linux, BSD and OS X, they are all severely lacking.

Obviously, Longhorn is going to be XP + eye candy, like XP was 2000 + eye candy. Sad thing, they dropped the interesting stuff like new command line (similar to bash).

ZeroOne · Jul 6, 2005, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RIV@NVX

Let's rather not praise SP2 for beeing bloated in size. Tell me the features worth mentioning that SP2 brings. Nothing really major.

I never download them... they bring only uninteresting security stuff, while I rarely browse the internet from Windows so I don't care.

I doubt I would notice any big differences.

It could be that size of SP2 or version numbers of files in it create warm fuzzy feelings for you, but that's not something that can make you say: "It's big improvement over XP.".

I agree that XP SP2 is the best Windows available. But it's just that and nothing more. The fact is: Compared to 9x, XP and 2000 are good OSes. Compared to Linux, BSD and OS X, they are all severely lacking.

Obviously, Longhorn is going to be XP + eye candy, like XP was 2000 + eye candy. Sad thing, they dropped the interesting stuff like new command line (similar to bash).

U do not half know what OS Longhorn is gonnabe, i advise U to read more carefully what Longhorn has to offer before giving your opinion.

RIV@NVX · Jul 6, 2005, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroOne

U do not half know what OS Longhorn is gonnabe, i advise U to read more carefully what Longhorn has to offer before giving your opinion.

I read. I don't remember anything I haven't seen before or anything revolutionary at all. Did I miss something?

CDsDontBurn · Jul 6, 2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

well you should know where to find them...

on your public server

. lol, jk.

I'm actually quite excited about winLH. It's not for all the "enhanced/new" security features i'm interested in, but the way it will interact with the user.

I've seen a supposed feature of winLH where your desktop is a globe and you can place your icons anywhere and bring them closer or farther away from you. Your desktop will be a globe so you have the space to move around anywhere you want. I think i'm excited for winLH just for that feature

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rssarma · Jul 6, 2005, 05:57 PM

What windows really needs is an innovative way to organize desktop clutter, especially the way some windows steal focus all of a sudden is just not right. This is something MSFT needs to look into, but they are busy building eye candy.

CDsDontBurn · Jul 6, 2005, 05:58 PM

i'm all about the eye candy.....that's the reason why i'm so hyped up on winLH

RIV@NVX · Jul 6, 2005, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

i'm all about the eye candy.....

Have you ever seen OSX or a modern GNOME/KDE deskopt with a nice theme?

No_Style · Jul 6, 2005, 10:42 PM

This article is very...how can I put this delicately..... uninformative? All they talk about is one aspect of Longhorn. Its looks. There's going to be usability changes and I'm really all for that.

I'm awaiting Longhorn. It's going to be great, I don't care if it's a minor or aesthetic improvement over WinXP, it's still an improvement. It's like upgrading from Fedora Core 1 to Fedora Core 2. Not earth shattering, but there are still improvements. (Bad example, but hey). FireFox was not revolutionary, yet people jumped on it like flies to poop (Not saying that FireFox is poop, but just as an example). I do not see why Longhorn has to be revolutionary in order to upgrade.

BTW, Monad (Windows' New CLI) is already out on MS BetaPlace. It sounds very impressive and a welcome change.

CDsDontBurn · Jul 6, 2005, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RIV@NVX

Have you ever seen OSX or a modern GNOME/KDE deskopt with a nice theme?

I have seen OSX and i believe i have seen KDE at one point, but i like to be able to know how to use what it is that i am using

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CDsDontBurn · Jul 9, 2005, 09:19 PM

one of my co-workers showed me this about winLH. It makes me want to "pee my pants"

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Longhorn uses the Windows Graphics Foundation, or WGF. WGF 1.0 will use DirectX 9.0c as it's primary interface, but Longhorn will also have the Next-Gen 3D API build in. You can see it as DirectX 10, but it's called WGF 2.0.

One of the important features of WGF is the Longhorn Display Driver Model (LDDM). It is possible with LDDM to install a new graphics driver without even rebooting your system. LDDM will ship in two stages. The first, called basic, supports current generation graphics hardware: shader model 2.0 and 3.0 capable hardware. The second stage of LDDM, "advanced," will support hardware features that ship ar the same time or after Longhorn is released, but will work with the new features in WGF 2.0. Because of the competitive way of graphics hardware development, we'll probably see advanced LDDM capable hardware before Longhorn is released. The current Windows XP driver model is still supported, but will be frozen going forward.

Advantages of Longhorn above XP:
- run more than 15 graphical applications at the same time instead of 2
- complete control manager to optimize system resources
- every window in Longhorn will be a 3D surface (when opening My Computer you're actually watching an interactive 3D texture)
- applications can be bigger than graphic card memory currently allows
- split your monitor into four pieces and play games at the same time while listening to music with Winamp, watching a movie with Media Player and posting BS on Guru3d.com
- Longhorn uses DirectX to show the Windows Desktop
- you are able to rotate your windows in a 3D way, so you can push it to the background, put it upside down or squeeze it in a corner
- Longhorn supports up to 160 windows open at the same time
- four different graphic modes for Longhorn (2GB/256MB/128MB/64MB textures)
- new motherboard BIOS'es will be integrated into Longhorn itself
- some of the BIOS settings can be changed within Windows and you won't even have to reboot to apply the new settings
- with XP, users got a lot of freedom to configure and tweak their system but Microsoft says that with Longhorn the 'more advanced' users will get the freedom to customize and tweak even more features of Windows that wasn't possible in XP

Now some very important info about gaming on Longhorn:
- there will be NO graphical difference between an ATI or nVidia card anymore, the only difference will be speed
- WGF 2.0 allows GPU processing without CPU intervention
- The Xbox 360 uses some of the technology Longhorn will use to handle games on the PC

If you want to play a game Longhorn will disable every component of your computer that isn't needed by the graphical interface and unloads the Windows Desktop (it's like running a game in MSDOS).

While it's true that the graphics technology for Longhorn is very advanced, it's also true that Microsoft is trying to have a wide array of hardware specifications. By the time Longhorn actually ships, almost every new PC should be able to support the user interface and Windows Graphics Foundation.

That doesn't mean users will need GeForce 6800 Ultras or comparable cards. As we've seen, the user interface will support four qualities, the most basic should even run on most of today's hardware. If you want the full Longhorn experience, you'll want a heavy system and graphics hardware, and lots of memory.

Windows Longhorn will probably be released in the second half of 2006.

Recommendations:
- Don't think of buying a computer today and use it to run Longhorn next year
- Memory is the most important component for future computing (graphics and system memory)

After reading this you probably are peeing in your pants, but don't worry, you still have 16 months before you need an upgrade!

Extreme minimum requirements:
1.6 GHz processor
512 MB memory
64 MB videocard
7200 RPM HD 16 MB cache

For the full experience:
4 GHz processor
3 GB memory
1 GB videocard with WGF 2.0 support
15000 RPM HD 1 GB flash memory

Update 1: LONGHORN CHANGES PC INTO CONSOLE
Dean Lester, the General Manager of Windows Graphics and Gaming says Microsoft is making the gaming-functionality of Windows Longhorn the same as a modern game-console, but wants to keep the advantages of PC gaming like high-end graphics and sound hardware, online communities, community support and downloadable content.

Update 2: COMPUTERS WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS
Microsoft is working together with nVidia, ATI, AMD and Intel to develop pre-configured computers with different levels, low, mid and high range hardware-configurations for different sales prices. PC's with a certain configuration of CPU, videocard and memory will be split in different levels. Because of this, choosing a PC for gaming gets a lot easier, because fast computers will get a higher level. The system requirements on game-packages will have a level requirement, so you can see if the level of your computer is high enough to handle a game.

Update 3: EASY TO USE
With Longhorn Microsoft wants to eliminate the long installation procedures that PC games have. Installing and playing a game should be as easy as with a console. They too are developing a special driver manager, so you won't have any problems with different drivers. This means no problems with flickering textures, stuttering and crashing anymore, because the drivers will be fully controled by the graphics interface and because of this system nVidia and ATI can develop and test their drivers for problems within a few seconds. Updating drivers and BIOS'es will get a lot easier because Windows Update will get a special feature that automatically checks if your hardware is up to date and automatically updates your drivers, BIOS'es, the Longhorn graphics interface and even updates for the most important feature of Longhorn, WGF 2.0.

Update 4: FUTURE GRAPHICS
Microsoft is going to implement Pixel and Vertex Shader 4.0 support into the new graphics interface, so in the near future after Longhorn is released there doesn't have to be another newer version of WGF to be released. Epic has announced that their Unreal 3 Engine will support future pixel and vertex shader versions that are going to be implemented when the Unreal 3 Engine is near completion.

Update 5: SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS AND RESOURCE USAGE
Longhorn uses a lot of memory, but it uses it for a very good reason. Longhorn actually doesn't even have loading times when you're using Explorer, Internet Explorer or any other Windows component. The big amount of memory thats being used isn't just for the textures but it contains every important file thats needed by Windows when running an application. When you start a game, the Longhorn graphics interface immediately unloads everything out of the memory that isn't needed by your 'game hardware' (video and sound card) such as the 3D Windows Desktop. Users are able to change the way Longhorn reacts when you boot up a game or 3D application. WGF is fully customizable to your own needs. For example, you can keep the Windows Desktop loaded and play a game at the same time, or if you have a fast system run both in split screen. To do all this fast loading and unloading you need to have fast memory and ofcourse a fast harddisk. But here's the problem. The harddisks we use today are far too slow (12000 RPM is still too slow) and will be a huge bottleneck when loading huge amounts of files into the memory. That's why Microsoft and Samsung are working on a new Hybrid hard drive that will use 1 GB flash memory as a buffer. They want to take part of the load of the spinning drive and to lower loading times and boot times drastically. Longhorn will fully support this technology. Microsoft and Samsung are still working on a way to unload files very fast from the harddisks flash memory. Next year Microsoft will start a huge marketing campaign for new hardware they are developing and they will give an update on the development of the Hybrid harddisk. When using a Hybrid harddisk in a mid-range computer of today (2 GHz, 1 GB RAM) you will have boot-times of about 5-10 seconds. Imagine how fast it goes in 2006.

Update 6: ICONS
In Longhorn icons will be completely changed. Documents don't have a icon anymore that shows the file-type, but it shows the first page of the document. Folder-icons will show you the inside files by using 3D technology. You'll see the files coming forward in a slideshow while you're watching the folder.

Update 7: STABILITY
Longhorn will be the most stable OS ever. Microsoft admitted that it had problems with stability with Windows ME and XP (without SP), but they really are making work of making Longhorn unbelievably stable. Microsoft even has made three special teams that researched Longhorn and future technologies for two years. After Longhorn is released, Microsoft doesn't even have to release any updates to make Longhorn stable, because Longhorn manages itself automatically and disables processes that can make your computer unstable and are unneeded by the applications you're running.

Update 8: SECURITY
Longhorn will have a better internet security. Instead of using very advanced ways to protect your computer, they're using somewhat primitive ways to keep users away from your harddisk. For example, Longhorn is able to completely halt every type of data transfer from your computer to any hardware component and is able to pause your internet connection when there is happening something suspicious. Microsoft is developing software together with Symantec (Norton Antivirus) to detect virusses the moment they reach your harddisk. Longhorn will be able to quarantine certain parts of the harddisk and make sure a virus gets automatically removed (using Norton Antivirus).

Update 9: HARDWARE FOR LONGHORN
Hardware especially made for Longhorn. Before Longhorn will be released in 2006, Microsoft will start the biggest marketing campaign ever, not just for the most advanced piece of software ever developed by more than 80.000 people (not only Microsoft), but also for the hardware that will be developed especially for Longhorn. As you've read before, there will be special harddrives, but there will be special videocards that will have to work constantly at 100%, extra fast memory and new processors to support the new multi-application technology Longhorn uses. For Longhorn Hyperthreading is a old technology. Longhorn will take advantage of it, but compared to the new technologies of the processors that are being developed it doesn't really help at all. There also will be newer soundcards to support the incredibly high sound quality that is possible when Longhorn is released. All hardware manufacturers are doing their best to get their new hardware finished before Longhorn is released. Microsoft promised that the prices won't go trough the roof.

Update 10: MULTIPLE INTERNET CONNECTIONS
Longhorn supports a new technology that has been developed. With this technology you're able to use multiple internet connections (max 4) at the same time. For example: You have an DSL internet connection with a download speed of 100Kb/sec and a cable inter net connection of 80 Kb/sec. And you're downloading a file from a different user who has an upload speed of 140 Kb/sec. When you're using those two internet connections, the DSL connection starts to download 100KB/sec and the left 40 Kb/sec gets downloaded by the cable connection. This means you'll always be downloading at top speed, as long as you can afford multiple internet connections. Because of this you're able to play up to four different games at the same time online with just one internet connection.

Update 11: COPY PROTECTION
Microsoft has teamed up with Disney and a lot of music labels to improve copy protection for movies, music and software using digital rights management functionality in Longhorn. Microsoft said they will use heavy copy protection schemes, so users won't be able to copy digital media. This may scare of a lot of consumers, but Microsoft doesn't worry about that, because eventually everyone will go Longhorn (their words). This means no Warez anymore. Damn, now I even have to pay money to play games and watch movies.

Update 12: LONGHORN AND THE XBOX 360
Microsoft has announced that the Xbox 360 controller will work on Windows Longhorn too. They did this because they want Longhorn to be an upgraded version of the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 and Longhorn both will use a new technology that makes games run at the fastest speed possible. Because Microsoft is the 'leader' of the Xbox and Windows, they made it possible to connect your Xbox to your PC and download special content and updates for your games, without having to subscribe anything. The Xbox 360 uses the new multiple internet connections technology seen in Update 10. Downloading files can take some time, but thats not a problem anymore, because now you can play a game offline or online and download certain files at the same time! This is one of the advantages over the PlayStation 3 and the Nintendo Revolution. The XBox 360 has a lot more advantages, but the reason for all of that is the company thats behind the Xbox, Microsoft, the most powerful software company in the world. They made sure Sony and Nintendo couldn't make use of these new Windows technologies. So if you want compatibility between your console and your PC you'll have to buy a Xbox 360. It looks like Microsoft again has found a way to eliminate the competition.

Update 13: GAME ENGINE, API AND VIDEOCARD ARCHITECTURE
As you've read before, Longhorn will use its own API to handle 2d and 3d graphics. Microsoft knows that this will cause a lot of compatibility problems and thats why they are talking to the videocard manufacturers. The new videocards ofcourse need to support the new graphics system and the manufacturers have to adjust their videocards' architecture so it will take full advantage of Longhorn. Because of this the support for OpenGL won't be as good anymore, because all the new videocards will be specialized in WGF graphics. Because of the new WGF technology, game engines need to be adapted to Longhorn as well. This means, that engines that will be used in the near future, like the Doom 3, Source and Unreal 3 Engine, will have to be fully compatible with WGF and the new videocard architecture. The next serie nVidia and ATI cards WON'T support the new technologies.

and yes.....i read the whole thing

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Dark Lord · Jul 9, 2005, 09:28 PM

youve got to be kidding me. a 4ghz cpu? 3 fucking gigs of ram? a 1 gig vid card and a 15000rpm hd?

and thats only the recomended specs? what the hell were they smokeing when they thought that was a good idea?

what i do like though is being able to change drivers with out rebooting, and that LH will shut down all un needed processes when playing games.

CDsDontBurn · Jul 9, 2005, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by another-user

youve got to be kidding me. a 4ghz cpu? 3 fucking gigs of ram? a 1 gig vid card and a 15000rpm hd?

and thats only the recomended specs? what the hell were they smokeing when they thought that was a good idea?

what i do like though is being able to change drivers with out rebooting, and that LH will shut down all un needed processes when playing games.

well, today's high end system will be tomorrows low end system to run winLH.....but it will still run winLH

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Necrosis · Jul 9, 2005, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

well, today's high end system will be tomorrows low end system to run winLH.....but it will still run winLH

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Maybe by 2008. You can't tell me those specs will be standard ina bout a year, and half.

CDsDontBurn · Jul 10, 2005, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Necrosis

Maybe by 2008. You can't tell me those specs will be standard ina bout a year, and half.

i was only speculating wheni said that about today's hardware.

Robert McClelland · Jul 10, 2005, 04:30 AM

Extreme minimum requirements:
1.6 GHz processor
512 MB memory
64 MB videocard
7200 RPM HD 16 MB cache

For the full experience:
4 GHz processor
3 GB memory
1 GB videocard with WGF 2.0 support I belive one to I see one
15000 RPM HD 1 GB flash memory

I know it run on my well I hope. I just hope I get to test dam thing soon
I be we want to test it soon.

daRk_heLmet · Jul 11, 2005, 05:01 PM

http://www.networkmirror.com/JOdkEXG...s%3D13839.html

CDsDontBurn · Jul 11, 2005, 05:54 PM

o.O so purty

. Makes me want to get it even more

Jul 6, 2005, 03:29 AM	#1
daRk_heLmet Keep firing, assholes! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Death Star Posts: 1,072 Rep Power: 0	Longhorn Preview The most recent build of Longhorn--Microsoft's next Windows--has some impressive visual touches, including the kinds of translucent objects found now in Apple's OS X, and more powerful ways of finding files. But it doesn't yet exhibit any breakthroughs in productivity, or promised features such as security improvements and smarter connections to handheld devices. We tested the 64-bit version of the latest code released to developers (Longhorn build 5048) and have also viewed demonstrations of a subsequent build. The first beta version of the operating system is due for release this summer. ________________________ Read More/Source: PC World __________________ [color=white]My Blog[/color]

Jul 6, 2005, 03:32 AM	#2
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,790 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	i want an alpha version to play around with. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Jul 6, 2005, 03:45 AM	#3
daedal Uber Coffee Drinker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gatineau, Quebec Posts: 2,250 Rep Power: 0	Looks interesting but it also looks very bloated. Wait and see, I guess. __________________

Jul 6, 2005, 05:37 AM	#5
Ulric DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	Personally, I think this project is in dire need of help. Absolutely nothing about Longhorn intruiges me, and I don't believe I'll be buying it when it's released unless there's some serious improvements made. I don't use handheld devices, I don't need a faster method of searching for files, and I don't need a translucent desktop taskbar (or whatever). Maybe I'm pessimistic, maybe I'm cynical, but I'm certainly unimpressed. I'm sorry for my "rant"; I'll move along now. __________________ -Ulric

Jul 6, 2005, 08:15 AM	#6
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	PCWorld review says: "But it doesn't yet exhibit any breakthroughs in productivity, or promised features such as security improvements and smarter connections to handheld devices." It's quite obvious that Longhorn is not a lot more than XP with a new look and lots of new things you may want to turn off after using it for some time. I don't no, but Linux/BSD field is a lot more interesting in recent times... and GNOME/KDE (MacOS X does as well, but that's not the poin here) desktops look a lot better than this, IMHO. __________________ -- Vedran

Jul 6, 2005, 08:38 AM	#9
NUCLEARWINTER Reap What You Sow. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 65 System Specs	Im Not Gonna Spend A Cent Of My Money On Any More Un-original Crap. Xp Is Most Certainly Better Than Me, But I Like 98 Better Than Xp. But New Developers Quit Coding For Older Os's. Really I Dont See Technology Making Strides As Fast And As Earth Shattering As A Few Years Ago. Could We Be Reaching The Pinnacle Of Technology's Growth? __________________ insert witty comment here!

Jul 6, 2005, 05:57 PM	#17
rssarma DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	What windows really needs is an innovative way to organize desktop clutter, especially the way some windows steal focus all of a sudden is just not right. This is something MSFT needs to look into, but they are busy building eye candy.

Jul 6, 2005, 05:58 PM	#18
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,790 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	i'm all about the eye candy.....that's the reason why i'm so hyped up on winLH __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Jul 6, 2005, 10:42 PM	#20
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	This article is very...how can I put this delicately..... uninformative? All they talk about is one aspect of Longhorn. Its looks. There's going to be usability changes and I'm really all for that. I'm awaiting Longhorn. It's going to be great, I don't care if it's a minor or aesthetic improvement over WinXP, it's still an improvement. It's like upgrading from Fedora Core 1 to Fedora Core 2. Not earth shattering, but there are still improvements. (Bad example, but hey). FireFox was not revolutionary, yet people jumped on it like flies to poop (Not saying that FireFox is poop, but just as an example). I do not see why Longhorn has to be revolutionary in order to upgrade. BTW, Monad (Windows' New CLI) is already out on MS BetaPlace. It sounds very impressive and a welcome change. __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Jul 9, 2005, 09:28 PM	#23
Dark Lord HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,945 Rep Power: 125 System Specs	youve got to be kidding me. a 4ghz cpu? 3 fucking gigs of ram? a 1 gig vid card and a 15000rpm hd? and thats only the recomended specs? what the hell were they smokeing when they thought that was a good idea? what i do like though is being able to change drivers with out rebooting, and that LH will shut down all un needed processes when playing games. __________________

Jul 10, 2005, 04:30 AM	#27
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Somewhere in Wood County Ohio Same Town :) Posts: 10,664 Rep Power: 196 System Specs	Extreme minimum requirements: 1.6 GHz processor 512 MB memory 64 MB videocard 7200 RPM HD 16 MB cache For the full experience: 4 GHz processor 3 GB memory 1 GB videocard with WGF 2.0 support I belive one to I see one 15000 RPM HD 1 GB flash memory I know it run on my well I hope. I just hope I get to test dam thing soon I be we want to test it soon. __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun" http://www.speedtest.net/result/1949536385.png correct the correct one now

Jul 11, 2005, 05:01 PM	Thread Starter #28
daRk_heLmet Keep firing, assholes! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Death Star Posts: 1,072 Rep Power: 0	http://www.networkmirror.com/JOdkEXG...s%3D13839.html __________________ [color=white]My Blog[/color]

Jul 11, 2005, 05:54 PM	#29
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,790 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	o.O so purty . Makes me want to get it even more __________________ Her First Day \| A year later