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Old Jan 2, 2006, 05:31 AM   #1
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Coldplay's new CD has rules: No MP3s, no DVD players, no car stereos

Coldplay's new CD comes with an insert that discloses all the rules enforced by the DRM they included on the disc. Of course, these rules are only visible after you've paid for the CD and brought it home, and as the disc's rules say, "Except for manufacturing problems, we do not accept product exchange, return or refund," so if you don't like the rules, that's tough.

What are the other rules? Here are some gems: "This CD can't be burnt onto a CD or hard disc, nor can it be converted to an MP3" and "This CD may not play in DVD players, car stereos, portable players, game players, all PCs and Macintosh PCs." Best of all, the insert explains that this is all "in order for you to enjoy a high quality music experience." Now, that's quality.
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Wow.... I have rules too. I don't buy crap like that.
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and as we speak I'm sure there is someone in this world attempting to make all those things just stated to be false. In 7 days I'm sure you could get a copy of all of that music and stick it on whatever device you want......

if you don't want music to be copied....don't make music...that's pretty much how it works right now.
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What total BS. I hope the record label gets sued for this.
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FUCK COLDPLAY UP THEIR STUPID ASSES...... oh btw this has been a public service message, thank you
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What joke.. Buy this CD, but you may not be able to play it.. and that's tough..

F THE RIAA.. I will download and copy all the music I want..

Actually I don't, but I would if I wanted to.
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Sometimes I download stuff that I could afford because I want to say f*** you to the RIAA and the rest of them.
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I think people should completely stop buying and downloading music. That will send a clear message to the RIAA.
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Sometimes I download stuff that I could afford because I want to say f*** you to the RIAA and the rest of them.
Yeah I think I will download some stuff just for the hell of it.. LOL..
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"This CD may not play in DVD players, car stereos, portable players, game players, all PCs and Macintosh PCs."
It's written "may not". At least it's not written "will not". I know I would not want to buy this. When you buy music, you do it to listen to it, not to leave the cd on the shelf because it does not work.
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Why hasn't anyone in the industry spoken up and said that this is HURTING the industry's sales? They're alienating a whole generation and telling them that they can't be trusted. I mean, they can actually mess your computer up pretty bad with rootkits and who knows what is out there that we don't know about them. They should be trying to convince us that they are the good guys and are just trying trying to get people the money they deserve, not acting like facist pigs. I'm very proud that we are able to crack their anti-copying schemes and are still downloading music off the internet. I don't think it's so much that people want to steal but more like "damn the man" and even if they did have a perfect DRM scheme people still wouldn't want to pay for this. We are sick of seeing the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer and then seeing these people act like pigs while trying to raise their prices. What other industries can treat their customers like this and still stay in business? Do they think that maybe that led to the "drop" in sales that they go on and on about? Perhaps it's the inferior product.

I make $6 an hour and I'll be damned if I'm going to spend $15 of it on a piece of crap that I can barely use and then get spit on. It's time for us to stand up against this kind of thing.
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anyone heard of a set of stereo minijacks to Stereo RCA cables.... combined with a Older Portable CD Walkman with Line OUT....

Wam bam BOOM... Entire CD DUBBED to MP3 @ 320kbps OR Lossless WMA.

IMO, coldplay just screwed themselves, although i doubt it's entirely there fault... it's who've they've entrusted to produce and ship there CDs..

That kind of product is actually ilegal in canada.... (going by the rights and aggrements passed refering directly to copy and personal use of media, not to mention the BBB going all out on whomever is first to bring it over the border)

i'd guess that 75% of people today, have CD players that could not play that disc..

Recently, i've yet to walk into a house that doesn't use either a DVD player or Computer to plate there music on.

Next is the fact that more people are buying iRivers and iPods and whatever else companies are spitting out by the millions, that require the music to be transfered as an MP3. Course, i know you can hookup a Line in or Out function to record directly to. But damn.... that's lame.

poor coldplay.. they are gonna get reamed.
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What other industries can treat their customers like this and still stay in business? .

Cable TV companies..
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not with competition using other forms of getting high quality tv to customers... if cable companies here did that... they'd be screwed....
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thank god for stereo systems with optical out…
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not with competition using other forms of getting high quality tv to customers... if cable companies here did that... they'd be screwed....
Thats the problem here- seems most places only have one cable company, and they make agreements with local governments so that they are the only cable company. Of course you can go satellite, but that isn't the same as cable TV, for real land line cable TV, a lot of places are dominated by a monopoly..

Adelphia for example.. here in Western NY, but they are idiots anyway, and are being sold off to Comcast and Time Warner. Still they can do anything they want with service or cost, and you can do nothing except drop them for some other form of TV.. Pretty lame.
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*downloads coldplay*

MOHAHAHAHHAHA!!
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Guys, you need to relax. It's not Coldplays fault, it's Capital Records fault, or rather it's EMIs fault seeing as how they are the parent company. Coldplay has no real say on the issue. Besides, what you don't know is that this protection (which, btw, is CDS 300 from Macrovision) has been in use by them for well over a year now, and they are just now bringing it state side. This piece of paper is just a way for them to cover their asses by making it known upfront that there is copy protection on the CD. One things for sure, they've learned from Sonys mistake in this regards.

Actually, this is old news. A couple months back Apple iPod users ran into this issue. From what I remember Apple was working on a way for iPod users to transfer music off of these Copy Control protected CDs (and I think it was with EMIs blessings too).
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BTW. that laser disc what coldplay is selling isn't CD-DA disc so why the f**** they call it CD in general people think that CD from band is in CD-DA format so they should bee talking it as an laser disc
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Guys, you need to relax. It's not Coldplays fault, it's Capital Records fault, or rather it's EMIs fault seeing as how they are the parent company. Coldplay has no real say on the issue. Besides, what you don't know is that this protection (which, btw, is CDS 300 from Macrovision) has been in use by them for well over a year now, and they are just now bringing it state side. This piece of paper is just a way for them to cover their asses by making it known upfront that there is copy protection on the CD. One things for sure, they've learned from Sonys mistake in this regards.

Actually, this is old news. A couple months back Apple iPod users ran into this issue. From what I remember Apple was working on a way for iPod users to transfer music off of these Copy Control protected CDs (and I think it was with EMIs blessings too).
But this is what burns people... (pisses them off)
"Except for manufacturing problems, we do not accept product exchange, return or refund," so if you don't like the rules, that's tough.

What are the other rules? Here are some gems: "This CD can't be burnt onto a CD or hard disc, nor can it be converted to an MP3" and "This CD may not play in DVD players, car stereos, portable players, game players, all PCs and Macintosh PCs." Best of all, the insert explains that this is all "in order for you to enjoy a high quality music experience." Now, that's quality.


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Who will win, the pigs or the consumers?

My money (that I saved by NOT buying their trash) is on the consumers!

viva la resistance!
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Yeah, BWX. I agree with you, in that it's the arrogance of the music companies that really ticks people off. More DRM is not news, it's the wording, etc. that is irritating.
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wow, that is... wow.
They took coldplay and did this because they are the best selling band in the world, and people would buy their CD's if they exploded when opened. The tactic is to get people used to this stuff so they can do it to all the CD's, and people will just except it (like they always do). Personally, I think this is the most invasive, rediculous, and offensive thing a record lable has EVER done. I hate to sound cliche, but this is what is ruining music, even the world. The day a corporation can treat their PAYING CUSTOMERS this way, and get away with it (mainly becasue 75% of the people buying the CD don't understand the issues), is a sad day indeed.
I hope the media tears this thing apart, makes Coldplay (a band I quite enjoy) and the record lable (Sony did their previous albums I believe...) look like the next Hitler and they all get black eyes. Truth be told, it won't effect them much, when you are that big, it takes a lot more than this to bring down your ivory tower.
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"Except for manufacturing problems, we do not accept product exchange, return or refund," so if you don't like the rules, that's tough.

What are the other rules? Here are some gems: "This CD can't be burnt onto a CD or hard disc, nor can it be converted to an MP3" and "This CD may not play in DVD players, car stereos, portable players, game players, all PCs and Macintosh PCs." Best of all, the insert explains that this is all "in order for you to enjoy a high quality music experience." Now, that's quality.


It's the arrogance..
I agree. It is arrogance, and I find it highly offensive for them to have put that insert in there as is. As DJ said, "Thank God for stereos with optical out".

You have to wonder: even though it says, "This CD can't be burnt onto a CD or hard disc, nor can it be converted to an MP3" it's my understanding that Macrovision CDS300 allows for making a copy of the CD, but you can't copy the copy, nor encode to mp3 or what not, but as I mentioned Apple has a way for you to transfer songs onto the iPod with this protection. It seems to me that with the insert they basically went overboard by describing anything and everything that has to do with CD playing, and screw the consumer if it doesn't work, however, the protection itself allows for certain copying and transferring which is contrary to what the insert describes and allows. Just, stupid.
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Don't know about Itunes, Napster, or any of the others, but I saw Coldplay available for download on Rhapsody. $0.89 a song, and after you burn it to disc, there's no restrictions on what you do with the disc. I haven't payed for a full album in years, why pay $15 to $20 for an album that has maybe 2 or 3 songs I'll actually listen to when I can just pay $0.89 for each one instead, and all done legally? (Sorry RIAA, no suit for you!)

The only downside is that Rhapsody is owned by Real Networks now, so it only works correctly some of the time...
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Don't know about Itunes, Napster, or any of the others, but I saw Coldplay available for download on Rhapsody. $0.89 a song, and after you burn it to disc, there's no restrictions on what you do with the disc. I haven't payed for a full album in years, why pay $15 to $20 for an album that has maybe 2 or 3 songs I'll actually listen to when I can just pay $0.89 for each one instead, and all done legally? (Sorry RIAA, no suit for you!)

The only downside is that Rhapsody is owned by Real Networks now, so it only works correctly some of the time...
good plan

unfortunately, some of us are unlucky enough to live in the UK

we get right royally ripped off when it comes to music downloads (as well as everything else )
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God what an easy lawsuit. Breach of contract based on new, unreasonable (as determined by the average consumer) terms. Classic UCC 2-207 case.
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