3dm2k3 score: 10,6552....but the card is a mystery!

digitalwanderer · Apr 25, 2003, 07:03 PM

Click here to see the screenshot, then let me tell ya a story...

Well, there ain't much to tell. Someone posted this thread with the screenshot over at nVnews first, and I later started a thread over at Rage3D about it since I know a lot of folks there are good with photochopping and might be able to see if it was a scam.

I'm almost starting to think it's real, and I'm excited!

BWX · Apr 25, 2003, 07:24 PM

Here is the highest score-- http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=620442

If that one w/ 10,xxx was real, don't you think they would publish it?

Zardon · Apr 25, 2003, 07:26 PM

problem is BWX that futuremark dont let you upload scores if the video card is not released. same thing happened with my 9800.

BWX · Apr 25, 2003, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
problem is BWX that futuremark dont let you upload scores if the video card is not released. same thing happened with my 9800.

What could that mean though? Like a custom (modded beyond recognition in bios or something) or yet - to - be released video card?

Just wondering, I always have to be sceptical about "pictures" of anything-

*edit- you must mean before the 9800 was released about your 9800 right?

---and if that is real, wtf kind of card will produce that score!?!? YIKES

Zardon · Apr 25, 2003, 07:41 PM

oh im not saying its real, I have my doubts.

I put the image through photoshop 7 increased the score section text to a massive increase on % and applied severe sharpening on the image.

As you can see I overlayed a semi transparent red bar (wihch will overprint over the text so you can see the difference in spacing. The bar is the exact same size between the numbers to see if it was doctored as to whether the person involved had done a good job on the spacing. The far left red bar shows the size I used.

Well as we dont have any 10k scores yet its hard to tell what way the futuremark benchmark will handle the leading digit but to me there is a little too much space between the first and second digit. (its also a 1 so it might also be that factor)

of course this isnt stating the benchmark is fake as I just stated we dont have any 10k benchies yet to compare spacing, but I have my doubts about it. good job though if it is doctored.

digitalwanderer · Apr 25, 2003, 07:46 PM

I don't think it's a faked screenie either, (damn it, I should have asked you first about it Zaradon...sorry, I flaked.

), and I don't think it was submitted because I don't think whoever benched it wanted it known about yet. I'm leaning towards the 9800 MAXX theory due to some things MuFu said at nVnews. MuFu is an insider to a lot of secret info and has proved reliable and honest as hell in the past. (Not to mention he's one of them scary-smart types...GOOD combo!

)

BWX · Apr 25, 2003, 07:50 PM

That is very interesting with the spacing.

I was just thinking if it takes a CPU running at 4.1 ghz and a 9800 pro at 533mhz core/ 423mhz mem. to produce a score of 7754, then a score of well over 10 thousand would take a CPU faster than currently available, 5 ghz? --- not to mention the speed of the video card. (I realize the CPU score doesn't have a direct affect on the overall score- I was just thinking it would take a faster cpu than we have right now to get 10,xxx- no matter what the video card- but that's just a guess)

But who knows- I'm sure we'll be seeing those scores before too long.

Zardon · Apr 25, 2003, 07:59 PM

emm one thing though, in the pro version cant you run the tests at a low res?????

I mean what about 320x200 wouldnt that break 10k on a powerful rig??

Zardon · Apr 25, 2003, 08:22 PM

Veridian 3 ran a benchy to test this out with 2003.

640*480 - 9700pro, AXP 2000+ all at stock- no aa/AF = 7k over 7000k so im sure a more powerful rig running at an even lower res would break 10k easy.

sometimes the easiest things to miss are the most obvious eh?

BWX · Apr 25, 2003, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
sometimes the easiest things to miss are the most obvious eh?

LOL, yup!

hey, now it is gone!

Zardon · Apr 25, 2003, 08:35 PM

as a little test I ran my 2600XP rig with the 9800 pro (my barton rig is apart atm, im messing with an abit nforce2 Rev2).

so I ran 3mark2003 pro with the 9800 at stock levels, 640x480 here are my results.

I just knew we would nail that sucker

the way its covering up the resolution was the key thing, but sometimes the most obvious things are missed

*CATALYST maker* · Apr 25, 2003, 08:51 PM

its a fake, but that score could be in theory easy to hit with "tweaked" drivers. 1 bit color precision, and no AA or AF processing with lots of backface culling can easily get that score. Of course the image would look like S**T but remember the key formula in graphics:

PERFORMANCE is reversly correlated to IMAGE QUALITY.

Butcher Image Quality you get higher performance. Or
Enhance Image Quality you get lower performance....

I thought you guys knew that....

BWX · Apr 25, 2003, 08:52 PM

We just "assume" it is run at default settings, that is how the guy tricked people.

Hmmm, it worked, kind of.

ErrorS · Apr 25, 2003, 09:35 PM

Zardon, just to let you know about the spacing. 1s do have more space around it in whatever font photoshop uses.. it's the same way in your pic.

-

The guy had a pic showing it was in normal res, but removed it because it did look doctored. My guess is that he ran in a low res to get the high score, then doctored another pic to show us that he ran in high res, but doesnt show us the detailed results so we can compare them with the final score to see if they're accurate.

BWX · Apr 25, 2003, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ErrorS
Zardon, just to let you know about the spacing. 1s do have more space around it in whatever font photoshop uses.. it's the same way in your pic.

-

The guy had a pic showing it was in normal res, [color=yellow]but removed it because it did look doctored.[/color] My guess is that he ran in a low res to get the high score, then doctored another pic to show us that he ran in high res, but doesnt show us the detailed results so we can compare them with the final score to see if they're accurate.

How do you know WHY he removed it? did HE tell you or something? Hmm.............

Zardon · Apr 25, 2003, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ErrorS
Zardon, just to let you know about the spacing. 1s do have more space around it in whatever font photoshop uses.. it's the same way in your pic.

-

The guy had a pic showing it was in normal res, but removed it because it did look doctored. My guess is that he ran in a low res to get the high score, then doctored another pic to show us that he ran in high res, but doesnt show us the detailed results so we can compare them with the final score to see if they're accurate.

thats why I mentioned it in my post about the 1s spacing ........ and anyway the picture is geniune it has nothing to do with photoshop !

its simple, he just ran the test in a low res, nothing more to talk about !!!!!!

ErrorS · Apr 25, 2003, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BWX232
How do you know WHY he removed it? did HE tell you or something? Hmm.............

um... he said so in the nvnews thread this pic was posted in originally

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 25, 2003, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Click here to see the screenshot, then let me tell ya a story...

Well, there ain't much to tell. Someone posted this thread with the screenshot over at nVnews first, and I later started a thread over at Rage3D about it since I know a lot of folks there are good with photochopping and might be able to see if it was a scam.

I'm almost starting to think it's real, and I'm excited!

where is the pics? thier gone

digitalwanderer · Apr 25, 2003, 09:55 PM

I uploaded a copy to nVnew's server...you can find it in me post there here.

digitalwanderer · Apr 25, 2003, 09:57 PM

It wasn't, you're incorrect.

EDITED BITS: Damn it, I REALLY should have quoted you on that one! (BTW-I'll never tell.

)

Zardon · Apr 25, 2003, 10:00 PM

Is this conversation still going on

didnt we all come to the conclusion its a fake? !

BWX · Apr 25, 2003, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
Is this conversation still going on didnt we all come to the conclusion its a fake? !

Yes, at least I thought that your explination was probably the right one- I mean- duh......

digitalwanderer · Apr 25, 2003, 10:55 PM

I'm stubbornly believing there is a mystery card out there that is soon gonna shake up the graphics world. (Then again I believe in magic too....)

Zardon · Apr 25, 2003, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
I'm stubbornly believing there is a mystery card out there that is soon gonna shake up the graphics world. (Then again I believe in magic too....)

wasnt that card, The Parhelia?

shuki · Apr 26, 2003, 02:50 PM

hehe

Zardon · Apr 26, 2003, 03:26 PM

wow shuki got an NV40 beater as well !!!

Apr 25, 2003, 07:03 PM	#1
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	3dm2k3 score: 10,6552....but the card is a mystery! Click here to see the screenshot, then let me tell ya a story... Well, there ain't much to tell. Someone posted this thread with the screenshot over at nVnews first, and I later started a thread over at Rage3D about it since I know a lot of folks there are good with photochopping and might be able to see if it was a scam. I'm almost starting to think it's real, and I'm excited! __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Apr 25, 2003, 07:24 PM	#2
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Here is the highest score-- http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=620442 If that one w/ 10,xxx was real, don't you think they would publish it? __________________

Apr 25, 2003, 07:46 PM	Thread Starter #6
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	I think it's real. I don't think it's a faked screenie either, (damn it, I should have asked you first about it Zaradon...sorry, I flaked. ), and I don't think it was submitted because I don't think whoever benched it wanted it known about yet. I'm leaning towards the 9800 MAXX theory due to some things MuFu said at nVnews. MuFu is an insider to a lot of secret info and has proved reliable and honest as hell in the past. (Not to mention he's one of them scary-smart types...GOOD combo! ) __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Apr 25, 2003, 08:35 PM	#11
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	hehe as a little test I ran my 2600XP rig with the 9800 pro (my barton rig is apart atm, im messing with an abit nforce2 Rev2). so I ran 3mark2003 pro with the 9800 at stock levels, 640x480 here are my results. I just knew we would nail that sucker the way its covering up the resolution was the key thing, but sometimes the most obvious things are missed

Apr 25, 2003, 09:55 PM	Thread Starter #19
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	I uploaded a copy to nVnew's server...you can find it in me post there here. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Apr 25, 2003, 07:26 PM	#3
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	problem is BWX that futuremark dont let you upload scores if the video card is not released. same thing happened with my 9800.

Apr 25, 2003, 07:41 PM	#5
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	oh im not saying its real, I have my doubts. I put the image through photoshop 7 increased the score section text to a massive increase on % and applied severe sharpening on the image. As you can see I overlayed a semi transparent red bar (wihch will overprint over the text so you can see the difference in spacing. The bar is the exact same size between the numbers to see if it was doctored as to whether the person involved had done a good job on the spacing. The far left red bar shows the size I used. Well as we dont have any 10k scores yet its hard to tell what way the futuremark benchmark will handle the leading digit but to me there is a little too much space between the first and second digit. (its also a 1 so it might also be that factor) of course this isnt stating the benchmark is fake as I just stated we dont have any 10k benchies yet to compare spacing, but I have my doubts about it. good job though if it is doctored.

Apr 25, 2003, 07:50 PM	#7
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	That is very interesting with the spacing. I was just thinking if it takes a CPU running at 4.1 ghz and a 9800 pro at 533mhz core/ 423mhz mem. to produce a score of 7754, then a score of well over 10 thousand would take a CPU faster than currently available, 5 ghz? --- not to mention the speed of the video card. (I realize the CPU score doesn't have a direct affect on the overall score- I was just thinking it would take a faster cpu than we have right now to get 10,xxx- no matter what the video card- but that's just a guess) But who knows- I'm sure we'll be seeing those scores before too long.

Apr 25, 2003, 07:59 PM	#8
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	emm one thing though, in the pro version cant you run the tests at a low res????? I mean what about 320x200 wouldnt that break 10k on a powerful rig??

Apr 25, 2003, 08:22 PM	#9
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Veridian 3 ran a benchy to test this out with 2003. 640*480 - 9700pro, AXP 2000+ all at stock- no aa/AF = 7k over 7000k so im sure a more powerful rig running at an even lower res would break 10k easy. sometimes the easiest things to miss are the most obvious eh?

Apr 25, 2003, 08:51 PM	#12
CATALYST maker ATI driver guru Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ATI, Canada Posts: 678 Rep Power: 63	its a fake, but that score could be in theory easy to hit with "tweaked" drivers. 1 bit color precision, and no AA or AF processing with lots of backface culling can easily get that score. Of course the image would look like S**T but remember the key formula in graphics: PERFORMANCE is reversly correlated to IMAGE QUALITY. Butcher Image Quality you get higher performance. Or Enhance Image Quality you get lower performance.... I thought you guys knew that....

Apr 25, 2003, 08:52 PM	#13
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	We just "assume" it is run at default settings, that is how the guy tricked people. Hmmm, it worked, kind of.

Apr 25, 2003, 09:35 PM	#14
ErrorS DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Zardon, just to let you know about the spacing. 1s do have more space around it in whatever font photoshop uses.. it's the same way in your pic. - The guy had a pic showing it was in normal res, but removed it because it did look doctored. My guess is that he ran in a low res to get the high score, then doctored another pic to show us that he ran in high res, but doesnt show us the detailed results so we can compare them with the final score to see if they're accurate.

Apr 25, 2003, 09:57 PM	Thread Starter #20
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	It wasn't, you're incorrect. EDITED BITS: Damn it, I REALLY should have quoted you on that one! (BTW-I'll never tell. ) __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Apr 25, 2003, 10:00 PM	#21
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Is this conversation still going on didnt we all come to the conclusion its a fake? !

Apr 25, 2003, 10:55 PM	Thread Starter #23
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Nope. I'm stubbornly believing there is a mystery card out there that is soon gonna shake up the graphics world. (Then again I believe in magic too....) __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Apr 26, 2003, 02:50 PM	#25
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	woot!! broke 10k! hehe

Apr 26, 2003, 03:26 PM	#26
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	wow shuki got an NV40 beater as well !!!