Matrox Parhelia Demonstration In China

Candyman · May 11, 2002, 09:09 PM

Seems like Matrox is really gonna release the Pahelia. Yesterday they had a demo in China where they showed off the chip. Limited info was leaked since all attendees were under NDA.

The limited information on specs is as follows:

512bit GPU core
Production process: 0.15 Micron
80 million transistors
Memory Bus: 256bit [x2 to accompany GPU?]
Memory Bandwidth: 20GB/s
DirectX 9 compliant (Displacement mapping)
Up to 256MB DDR RAM

Read more here at Warp2Search

Zardon · May 11, 2002, 09:31 PM

boy this is exciting

russian · May 11, 2002, 11:29 PM

It is on russian, but anyways

http://www.ixbt.com/video2/matrox-parhelia512.shtml

The antialiasing is supersampling, but it is aplied only on edges of polygons, that is the way i was thinking, would be perfect about 3 months ago, but i dropped these thoughts, because there is lots of edges and it is problematic to do it only on those that are visible, cause there are lots of those that are hidden. I am not lying and i am very happy that there is now awesome antialiasing available.

Jeff · May 12, 2002, 12:02 AM

Looks like the Parhelia will support Tru-Form (at least in D3D) cool!

russian · May 12, 2002, 12:17 AM

Yes, it will support N-patches (truform)

Specs form iXbt:

- 80 million transistors
- 0.15 microns
- core and memory clocks are at 350 MHz
- 256 bit DDR
- 20 Gb/sec
- 64/128/256 Mb of RAM
- AGP 2x/4x/8x
- 4 pipes
- 4 textures on each pipe
- 1.4 GPixels, 5.6 Gtextels
- 2.0 VS, 1.3 PS
- EMBM and DOT3
- Fixed? (i don't know what they mean) T&L DX8 (including advanced abilities of matrix blending and skining) special VS
- Building image by using 10 bit on each color. 10-bit Gigacolor
- 2 built in the chip ramdacs, 400 MHz each... UltraSharp technology
- 10-bit -> 10-bit table for performance gamma-correction
- DVD and HDTV with accuracy of 10 bit on the end
- Up to 2048x1536x32bbpx85Hz
- TV-Out with 10 bit accuracy
- Two digital TDMS Up to 1920x1200x32bpp
- Two fully independent CRTC
- Triple Head, ability to strech the image on 2 or 3 monitors
- Anialiasing 16 Fragment SSAA
- N-patches, Displacement mapping
- Glyph Antialiasing
- DX 8, OGL 1.3, potentional features of DX9 and OGL 2.0

edit: sorry, forgot OGL 2

Jeff · May 12, 2002, 12:23 AM

I thought that russian site said something about OGL2.0

I dont read russian, but I saw that.

Andrew275 · May 12, 2002, 12:31 AM

http://forums.matroxusers.com/showth...threadid=32858

How about that second picture?

Candyman · May 12, 2002, 01:09 AM

Only 2 word pop in my head....

GO MATROX!!!!

Mize · May 12, 2002, 02:24 AM

I'm having a very hard time imagining me NOT buying this Matrox card if it's all they say it is. 16x jittered FSAA!? 20 Gp/s! Now I just have to come up with enough cash for two more monitors

Mize

russian · May 12, 2002, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyborg
I thought that russian site said something about OGL2.0

I dont read russian, but I saw that.

They did mention OGL 2.0 and that Parhelia 512 will propbably support it.

They also mentioned the way anisotropic filtering works, they said that it works more like nVidia's way than ATi's RIP mapping (adoptive AF), so there will not be a samll performance hit with AF, but they have an awesome AA.

It feels so weird, when you see the thing, that you "invented", to appear in a new product 3 months later (Matrox' AA)... My dad said that he had the same thing as i just did 2 times in his life...

By the way i am only 14 (i am going to be 15 in june)

When i was 5 i wanted to be an architect, when i was 7 i wanted to be a football (soccer) player, when i got 12 i wanted to be an architect again and now i am confused, who the heck i want to be...

I might sound a little selfish, but i need to get rid of my emotions. Sorry...

orrimarrko · May 12, 2002, 06:01 AM

Hey Russian, found this site today, alot of same people from Rage3d here too, so i assume your Russian on Rage3D aswell.=)

Im a Architect actualy myself oddly enough. Well a Apprentice Architect that graduates in August for my BA in Architectural Enginnering. Im 23, and love architecture, the fascit of design, and the feeling and Art you can show in structures.

My favorite work has to be the "Cathedral" in Ulm, Germany, done by Gaudi (sp?).

Anyhow, its a very exciting and rewarding business, but takes a long time to build up into a Architect honestly. Alot of ANSI and BOCA standards for your creation need to be applied depending on the state your in. and 90% of the work we do is done on Computers using various CAD systems like AutoCAD and 3dStudioViz. For example, i live in New York, and when i graduate, will work under a Architect for 6 years before I can be considred a Junior Architect. Once a Junior Architect, and pass my test, I then need I think 2-4 more years before I can be a solo liscened Architect and able to start my own business. So Ill be 33 before Actualy a full Blown Architect, and started colege still at 19.

Like Lawyers, Architects are required to take the state exam yearly to retain there liscenses, and there liscense is only good for the state they received it from. So if i have a NY state liscense, I cant practice in New Jersey, or delaware, unless as a consultant. Aditionaly, large cities like NewYork City and Los Angeles have there own liscenes need besides the states requirement.

This seemingly hard road does have its rewards tho...HUGE rewards... mainly the pay. Currently I get about $40 a hour under contract or CAD work, and thats about max base salary you can get as a wet eared Architect. Minimum I would say is $27-$30.

Junior Architect is about $50-$100 a hour,... and If your good, a Liscened Architect in a City easily will make $150-$300 a hour,..NO LIE. We have Gruman Northrop by my residence, its a Huge Aerospace Enginnering Center, they done designs for NASA, and goverment contracts for designs, built such planes as the F-14 Tomcat and the Apollo Space shuttle, and the Engineers and Architects ther pull $150/hour to start easily.

If your into it, and willing to wait a bit longer than other careers to get really into it, the pay, and enjoyment of seeing buildings you designed come to life is more enjoyment than 99% of things in life. Knowing everyday, your design is used, and viewed by thousands of people.

russian · May 12, 2002, 07:27 PM

Yes, Orrimarrko, I am the same russian from Rage3D and i do love architecture too. Right now i am using ArchiCAD 7.0 (it cost about $5,000, but i bought for $3 in Russia, it is pirated), ArchiCAD is awesome

and I already built my future small residential house. 50 - 100 bucks an hour sounds great for me, that means you can buy 2 GeForce 4s a day.

I think, I decided, but what kind of classes should i get at school to become an architect faster.

orrimarrko · May 12, 2002, 08:40 PM

Quote:

50 - 100 bucks an hour sounds great for me, that means you can buy 2 GeForce 4s a day.

LOL, good thinking!!

If your High School offers Manual Drafting, or basic Engineering classes, those are EXTREMELY helpful. Also might want to AutoCAD or similar if they offer it, and WoodWorking is a Plus too.

May 11, 2002, 09:09 PM	#1
Candyman [DH] Lover! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 284 Rep Power: 0	Matrox Parhelia Demonstration In China Seems like Matrox is really gonna release the Pahelia. Yesterday they had a demo in China where they showed off the chip. Limited info was leaked since all attendees were under NDA. The limited information on specs is as follows: 512bit GPU core Production process: 0.15 Micron 80 million transistors Memory Bus: 256bit [x2 to accompany GPU?] Memory Bandwidth: 20GB/s DirectX 9 compliant (Displacement mapping) Up to 256MB DDR RAM Read more here at Warp2Search __________________ AMD Athlon XP 1700+ @ 2.53GHz Abit NF7-S v.2 Thermalright SP-97 w/ TT Smart Fan 2 2 x 512MB GeIL PC3500 Platinum DDR 2 x 120GB WD HDD - RAID-0 2 x 80GB Barracuda V HDD - RAID-0 ATI Radeon AIW 9800PRO SB Audigy 2 HP L2335 23" LCD (DVI-D) WinXP Pro SP2

May 12, 2002, 12:02 AM	#4
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	Looks like the Parhelia will support Tru-Form (at least in D3D) cool! __________________

May 12, 2002, 12:23 AM	#6
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	I thought that russian site said something about OGL2.0 I dont read russian, but I saw that. __________________

May 12, 2002, 01:09 AM	Thread Starter #8
Candyman [DH] Lover! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 284 Rep Power: 0	Only 2 word pop in my head.... GO MATROX!!!! __________________ AMD Athlon XP 1700+ @ 2.53GHz Abit NF7-S v.2 Thermalright SP-97 w/ TT Smart Fan 2 2 x 512MB GeIL PC3500 Platinum DDR 2 x 120GB WD HDD - RAID-0 2 x 80GB Barracuda V HDD - RAID-0 ATI Radeon AIW 9800PRO SB Audigy 2 HP L2335 23" LCD (DVI-D) WinXP Pro SP2

May 12, 2002, 02:24 AM	#9
Mize The quiet one Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 150 Rep Power: 0	I'm having a very hard time imagining me NOT buying this Matrox card if it's all they say it is. 16x jittered FSAA!? 20 Gp/s! Now I just have to come up with enough cash for two more monitors Mize __________________ Rage3D > Voodoo 2 / TNT > Voodoo 3 3000 > Voodoo 5 5500 > GeForce 3 Ti200 > Radeon 8500 > Radeon 9700 Pro > Radeon X1800 XT > GeForce 8800 GTS > Radeon HD 5870 > Geforce GTX 580 #1 (died) > Geforce GTX 580 #2 (died) > 2x6970 in CFX > 2xGTX 580 3GB in SLI (fingers crossed)

May 11, 2002, 09:31 PM	#2
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	boy this is exciting

May 11, 2002, 11:29 PM	#3
russian DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	It is on russian, but anyways http://www.ixbt.com/video2/matrox-parhelia512.shtml The antialiasing is supersampling, but it is aplied only on edges of polygons, that is the way i was thinking, would be perfect about 3 months ago, but i dropped these thoughts, because there is lots of edges and it is problematic to do it only on those that are visible, cause there are lots of those that are hidden. I am not lying and i am very happy that there is now awesome antialiasing available.

May 12, 2002, 12:17 AM	#5
russian DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	Yes, it will support N-patches (truform) Specs form iXbt: - 80 million transistors - 0.15 microns - core and memory clocks are at 350 MHz - 256 bit DDR - 20 Gb/sec - 64/128/256 Mb of RAM - AGP 2x/4x/8x - 4 pipes - 4 textures on each pipe - 1.4 GPixels, 5.6 Gtextels - 2.0 VS, 1.3 PS - EMBM and DOT3 - Fixed? (i don't know what they mean) T&L DX8 (including advanced abilities of matrix blending and skining) special VS - Building image by using 10 bit on each color. 10-bit Gigacolor - 2 built in the chip ramdacs, 400 MHz each... UltraSharp technology - 10-bit -> 10-bit table for performance gamma-correction - DVD and HDTV with accuracy of 10 bit on the end - Up to 2048x1536x32bbpx85Hz - TV-Out with 10 bit accuracy - Two digital TDMS Up to 1920x1200x32bpp - Two fully independent CRTC - Triple Head, ability to strech the image on 2 or 3 monitors - Anialiasing 16 Fragment SSAA - N-patches, Displacement mapping - Glyph Antialiasing - DX 8, OGL 1.3, potentional features of DX9 and OGL 2.0 edit: sorry, forgot OGL 2

May 12, 2002, 12:31 AM	#7
Andrew275 Custom User Title Join Date: May 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 1,125 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	http://forums.matroxusers.com/showth...threadid=32858 How about that second picture?

May 12, 2002, 06:01 AM	#11
orrimarrko Excessive Tweaker Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 66 Rep Power: 0	Hey Russian, found this site today, alot of same people from Rage3d here too, so i assume your Russian on Rage3D aswell.=) Im a Architect actualy myself oddly enough. Well a Apprentice Architect that graduates in August for my BA in Architectural Enginnering. Im 23, and love architecture, the fascit of design, and the feeling and Art you can show in structures. My favorite work has to be the "Cathedral" in Ulm, Germany, done by Gaudi (sp?). Anyhow, its a very exciting and rewarding business, but takes a long time to build up into a Architect honestly. Alot of ANSI and BOCA standards for your creation need to be applied depending on the state your in. and 90% of the work we do is done on Computers using various CAD systems like AutoCAD and 3dStudioViz. For example, i live in New York, and when i graduate, will work under a Architect for 6 years before I can be considred a Junior Architect. Once a Junior Architect, and pass my test, I then need I think 2-4 more years before I can be a solo liscened Architect and able to start my own business. So Ill be 33 before Actualy a full Blown Architect, and started colege still at 19. Like Lawyers, Architects are required to take the state exam yearly to retain there liscenses, and there liscense is only good for the state they received it from. So if i have a NY state liscense, I cant practice in New Jersey, or delaware, unless as a consultant. Aditionaly, large cities like NewYork City and Los Angeles have there own liscenes need besides the states requirement. This seemingly hard road does have its rewards tho...HUGE rewards... mainly the pay. Currently I get about $40 a hour under contract or CAD work, and thats about max base salary you can get as a wet eared Architect. Minimum I would say is $27-$30. Junior Architect is about $50-$100 a hour,... and If your good, a Liscened Architect in a City easily will make $150-$300 a hour,..NO LIE. We have Gruman Northrop by my residence, its a Huge Aerospace Enginnering Center, they done designs for NASA, and goverment contracts for designs, built such planes as the F-14 Tomcat and the Apollo Space shuttle, and the Engineers and Architects ther pull $150/hour to start easily. If your into it, and willing to wait a bit longer than other careers to get really into it, the pay, and enjoyment of seeing buildings you designed come to life is more enjoyment than 99% of things in life. Knowing everyday, your design is used, and viewed by thousands of people. __________________ The Rig: AMD Athlon XP 2000+ @ 1825mhz, ATI Radeon 9700 Prol w/ Cat 2.4 driver set @ 335/335mhz. Leadtek SIS7350kDA motherboard with 2/06/2002 BIOS , 768mb DDR 2100 Crucial ram running at CAS2 146-FSB ,Hercules Fortissimo II SC, 16x Pioneer DVD ROM, 4x4x24x Teac CDRW, Maxtor 60gig 5400RPM HDD, Seagate 40gig 7200RPM HDD,WD 120gig 7200RPM SE HDD, Chieftec Black aluminum windowed server case "modded to hell!", ALPHA PAL8045T HS with 45CFM Sunon fan, 570 Watt Vantec Black Aluminum Stealth PSU, Logitech THX Z-560 4.1 speakers, Windows XP Professional SP1, "Primary Display": Sony 21" GDM-500PS FD Trinitron Monitor, "Secondary Display": 17" Sony HMD-A200 FD Trinitron Monitor

May 12, 2002, 07:27 PM	#12
russian DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	Yes, Orrimarrko, I am the same russian from Rage3D and i do love architecture too. Right now i am using ArchiCAD 7.0 (it cost about $5,000, but i bought for $3 in Russia, it is pirated), ArchiCAD is awesome and I already built my future small residential house. 50 - 100 bucks an hour sounds great for me, that means you can buy 2 GeForce 4s a day. I think, I decided, but what kind of classes should i get at school to become an architect faster.