SO DAMN AMazing..

waterloo · Jun 20, 2005, 06:45 AM

how fast technology moves (i had to say that). Anyone know if 3DFX ever going to come back? Darn Nvidia.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jun 20, 2005, 05:45 PM

No 3dfx will never come back. Nvidia bought them out shut them down
thier "FX series" was the 1st to use technogly they aquired from the takeover

*Raff_3DC* · Jun 20, 2005, 06:51 PM

Most of the ex-3dfx engineers now work for nVIDIA, so it's not likely that 3dfx will ever come back -- at least not the way they were before. They are dead and we have to accept that. It's not possible to found a graphic chip manufacturer with 5 people and a small budget, like in 1995 ...

Well, technology moves on. But there's something that's really "poor" IMHO: 3dfx' RGSSAA, integrated in the Voodoo4/5 series via T-Buffer, is still one of the best-looking AA modes available. And it was introduced in 2000 -- 5 years ago! It's a shame that there are so few improvements on this territory ...

Greetings from Germany,
Raff

BWX · Jun 20, 2005, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raff_3DC

Well, technology moves on. But there's something that's really "poor" IMHO: 3dfx' RGSSAA, integrated in the Voodoo4/5 series via T-Buffer, is still one of the best-looking AA modes available. And it was introduced in 2000 -- 5 years ago! It's a shame that there are so few improvements on this territory ...

Greetings from Germany,
Raff

Check out the crossfire SSAA and FSAA combinations- I think they are catching back up to the year 2000 now : )

Super antialiasing — Uniquely, CrossFire rigs may provide image quality benefits even in games where fill rate and geometry throughput isn't normally at a premium via its Super AA capability. Super AA comes courtesy of the CrossFire compositing chip, which can combine images with different sample patterns produced by the two cards. [COLOR=Red]CrossFire AA offers several new antialiasing modes from 8X up to 14X. 8X and 12X AA modes double up on 4X and 6X multisampling, respectively. 10X and 14X AA modes, on the other hand, combine 2X supersampling with 8X and 12X multisampling, respectively[/COLOR].

waterloo · Jun 20, 2005, 11:00 PM

Nvidia.... HHMMMMMMMmMmmmmmmmmmmm. ATI Crossfire mobo thingy not bad

swatX · Jun 23, 2005, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

Check out the crossfire SSAA and FSAA combinations- I think they are catching back up to the year 2000 now : )

Super antialiasing — Uniquely, CrossFire rigs may provide image quality benefits even in games where fill rate and geometry throughput isn't normally at a premium via its Super AA capability. Super AA comes courtesy of the CrossFire compositing chip, which can combine images with different sample patterns produced by the two cards. [color=red]CrossFire AA offers several new antialiasing modes from 8X up to 14X. 8X and 12X AA modes double up on 4X and 6X multisampling, respectively. 10X and 14X AA modes, on the other hand, combine 2X supersampling with 8X and 12X multisampling, respectively[/color].

yea thats only for crossfire not for single card users.

BWX · Jun 23, 2005, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swatX

yea thats only for crossfire not for single card users.

Check the G70 reviews- it can do higher quality SSAA with one card- and I bet the new ATI single cards will be able to as well.. at least I would hope so.

Actually - even my 9700pro can do FSSSAA @ 1024 x 768...

waterloo · Jun 23, 2005, 05:51 AM

DAMN Redickulous price

*Raff_3DC* · Jun 24, 2005, 12:48 PM

I think only nVIDIA is on the right way. They provide SSAA since the GeForce2 (rather poor at that time, no comparison with 3dfx' method). Now they offer nice Transparency-AA which kills Alpha-Testing more efficient than "pure" SSAA could do. Everything on single cards, too.

The only thing I'd wish to get: Sparsed Grid SSAA! They could spend some hundred-thousand transistors to get hardware support. The quality boost would be nice. Gamma-corrected SGSSAA would blow away every Voodoo ... =)

Greetings,
Raff

waterloo · Jun 25, 2005, 04:04 AM

how did NVIDIA just POP UP and KILL 3DFX?

*Raff_3DC* · Jun 25, 2005, 10:44 AM

Well -- they didn't.

Their first creation, the "NV1", wasn't successful and used a weird way of accelerating 3D graphics (not polygone-based) ... so they made a break. Later, the "Riva 128" a.k.a. NV3 could compete with 3dfx' Voodoo Graphics in Direct3D -- but of course not in Glide, but it was a jump. The "TNT" in 1998 was the first nVIDIA creation that could beat a 3dfx card if you look at the features. 32 Bit, 2048x2048 textures. And this thing was as fast as a Voodoo2.

Then, in 1999, with the TNT2 it became worse. The "Ultra" version was often faster than a Voodoo3 3000 and the later released GeForce256 kicked everything with it's speed and hype (T&L). Just in Glide games the V3 3500 was faster.

In 2000 - we alle know this year as a bad one for 3dfx fans - nVIDIA threw their GeForce2 series on the market. Being a tuned GF256 it was damn fast -- faster than 3dfx' answer ... the Voodoo5 5500.

Combined with a series of management mistakes 3dfx went down and nVIDIA bought all relevant brands etc. for a dumping price. You could see this positive: If they didn't, many 3dfx engineers would't be employed now ...

Just a short-version of the story. Look in the internet, there are many articles about this topic.

Greetings,
Raff

swatX · Jun 25, 2005, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raff_3DC

Combined with a series of management mistakes 3dfx went down and nVIDIA bought all relevant brands etc. for a dumping price. You could see this positive: If they didn't, many 3dfx engineers would't be employed now ...

Just a short-version of the story. Look in the internet, there are many articles about this topic.

Greetings,
Raff

and if it werent for 3dfx management failures, Nvidia wouldnt get a headstart on its version of SLI.

Actually Did Nvidia borrow anything from 3dfx's SLI version besides the three letters?

waterloo · Jun 25, 2005, 10:48 PM

bad management

Ðamage™ · Jun 26, 2005, 08:57 PM

Yes.. it was a sad day when 3dfx went out. Being I was a hardcore 3dfx fan and all, but such is life "C'est ca la vie" and thank god ATi picked the ball up, because now I dont have to put up with the craptastic cards from Nvidia.. lol I remeber thinkin when I bought my voodoo5 5000 and they went out.. i was so flabergasted, thank god sites like voodoodrivers.com were still around so that I could keep my card somewhat updated.. "somewhat" Oh well.. now I am a harcore ATi user and thankfully I dont see them going out anytime soon, and their a Canadian based company which is even better ha!

waterloo · Jun 27, 2005, 01:56 AM

man ATI is getting in big sh*Tl. The company anit canadian no more

Ðamage™ · Jun 27, 2005, 08:42 AM

umm yes it is.
Canada (ATI Headquarters)
ATI Technologies Inc.
1 Commerce Valley Drive East
Markham, Ontario
Canada L3T 7X6

waterloo · Jun 28, 2005, 02:32 AM

The company has more than 2,500 employees across its headquarters in Markham, Ontario, and offices in the Americas, Europe and Asia. ATI has research and development facilities in California, Florida, Massachusetts, Ontario and Pennsylvania and manufactures its products in Canada and Taiwan. In its fiscal year 2004, ATI recorded revenues of US $2.0 billion. Member of the NASDAQ 100, ATI common shares trade on NASDAQ (ATYT) and the Toronto Stock Exchange (ATY).

NO!

Ðamage™ · Jun 28, 2005, 02:51 AM

Ati is a canadian based company brother.. yes it has companies and research facilities around the world, like most big organizations.. but you'll notice I copied and pasted that info from ati.com and Ati in Canada is the headquaters and if you did your research you'd know that.. they are a Canadian based company sorry to pop your balloon.

"Canada (ATI Headquarters)"

waterloo · Jun 28, 2005, 03:40 AM

I think it's both an Canadian and American. Either way ATI SUCKS!

Ðamage™ · Jun 28, 2005, 03:45 AM

Everyone's intitled to their own opinion. But thanks all the same for yours

waterloo · Jun 28, 2005, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ðamage™

Everyone's intitled to their own opinion. But thanks all the same for yours

what this mean?

Ðamage™ · Jun 28, 2005, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waterloo

what this mean?

what it means is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion whether Ati sucks or not.
I can't help myself.. I can tell your asian.. "sucky sucky 10 dolla!.. Me Love you long time" LoL peace.

waterloo · Jun 28, 2005, 03:54 AM

yup, i'm korean. You know by my bad language

lol.

Yeah. The XT 800 Etc is shit.

i like the 9 series

Jun 20, 2005, 06:45 AM	#1
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	SO DAMN AMazing.. how fast technology moves (i had to say that). Anyone know if 3DFX ever going to come back? Darn Nvidia. __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Jun 20, 2005, 05:45 PM	#2
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	No 3dfx will never come back. Nvidia bought them out shut them down thier "FX series" was the 1st to use technogly they aquired from the takeover __________________

Jun 20, 2005, 06:51 PM	#3
Raff_3DC 3dcenter.de Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hessen, Germany Posts: 113 Rep Power: 0	Most of the ex-3dfx engineers now work for nVIDIA, so it's not likely that 3dfx will ever come back -- at least not the way they were before. They are dead and we have to accept that. It's not possible to found a graphic chip manufacturer with 5 people and a small budget, like in 1995 ... Well, technology moves on. But there's something that's really "poor" IMHO: 3dfx' RGSSAA, integrated in the Voodoo4/5 series via T-Buffer, is still one of the best-looking AA modes available. And it was introduced in 2000 -- 5 years ago! It's a shame that there are so few improvements on this territory ... Greetings from Germany, Raff __________________ ATi Catalyst-Shootout 3.2 - 5.3 @ 3DCenter.de Detonator/ForceWare-Shootout for GeForce4 Ti 44.65 - 80.40 Detonator-Shootout 16.30 - 44.90 for GeForce3 @ 3DC-Forum Voodoo3 and Voodoo5 driver comparison

Jun 20, 2005, 11:00 PM	Thread Starter #5
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	Nvidia.... HHMMMMMMMmMmmmmmmmmmmm. ATI Crossfire mobo thingy not bad __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Jun 23, 2005, 05:51 AM	Thread Starter #8
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	DAMN Redickulous price __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Jun 24, 2005, 12:48 PM	#9
Raff_3DC 3dcenter.de Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hessen, Germany Posts: 113 Rep Power: 0	I think only nVIDIA is on the right way. They provide SSAA since the GeForce2 (rather poor at that time, no comparison with 3dfx' method). Now they offer nice Transparency-AA which kills Alpha-Testing more efficient than "pure" SSAA could do. Everything on single cards, too. The only thing I'd wish to get: Sparsed Grid SSAA! They could spend some hundred-thousand transistors to get hardware support. The quality boost would be nice. Gamma-corrected SGSSAA would blow away every Voodoo ... =) Greetings, Raff __________________ ATi Catalyst-Shootout 3.2 - 5.3 @ 3DCenter.de Detonator/ForceWare-Shootout for GeForce4 Ti 44.65 - 80.40 Detonator-Shootout 16.30 - 44.90 for GeForce3 @ 3DC-Forum Voodoo3 and Voodoo5 driver comparison Last edited by Raff_3DC; Jun 24, 2005 at 01:08 PM. Reason: addition

Jun 25, 2005, 04:04 AM	Thread Starter #10
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	how did NVIDIA just POP UP and KILL 3DFX? __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Jun 25, 2005, 10:44 AM	#11
Raff_3DC 3dcenter.de Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hessen, Germany Posts: 113 Rep Power: 0	Well -- they didn't. Their first creation, the "NV1", wasn't successful and used a weird way of accelerating 3D graphics (not polygone-based) ... so they made a break. Later, the "Riva 128" a.k.a. NV3 could compete with 3dfx' Voodoo Graphics in Direct3D -- but of course not in Glide, but it was a jump. The "TNT" in 1998 was the first nVIDIA creation that could beat a 3dfx card if you look at the features. 32 Bit, 2048x2048 textures. And this thing was as fast as a Voodoo2. Then, in 1999, with the TNT2 it became worse. The "Ultra" version was often faster than a Voodoo3 3000 and the later released GeForce256 kicked everything with it's speed and hype (T&L). Just in Glide games the V3 3500 was faster. In 2000 - we alle know this year as a bad one for 3dfx fans - nVIDIA threw their GeForce2 series on the market. Being a tuned GF256 it was damn fast -- faster than 3dfx' answer ... the Voodoo5 5500. Combined with a series of management mistakes 3dfx went down and nVIDIA bought all relevant brands etc. for a dumping price. You could see this positive: If they didn't, many 3dfx engineers would't be employed now ... Just a short-version of the story. Look in the internet, there are many articles about this topic. Greetings, Raff __________________ ATi Catalyst-Shootout 3.2 - 5.3 @ 3DCenter.de Detonator/ForceWare-Shootout for GeForce4 Ti 44.65 - 80.40 Detonator-Shootout 16.30 - 44.90 for GeForce3 @ 3DC-Forum Voodoo3 and Voodoo5 driver comparison

Jun 25, 2005, 10:48 PM	Thread Starter #13
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	bad management __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Jun 26, 2005, 08:57 PM	#14
Ðamage™ DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 545 Rep Power: 0	Yes.. it was a sad day when 3dfx went out. Being I was a hardcore 3dfx fan and all, but such is life "C'est ca la vie" and thank god ATi picked the ball up, because now I dont have to put up with the craptastic cards from Nvidia.. lol I remeber thinkin when I bought my voodoo5 5000 and they went out.. i was so flabergasted, thank god sites like voodoodrivers.com were still around so that I could keep my card somewhat updated.. "somewhat" Oh well.. now I am a harcore ATi user and thankfully I dont see them going out anytime soon, and their a Canadian based company which is even better ha! __________________ [COLOR=black][COLOR=red]ATi[/COLOR] Bios Flashing: The Proper Way.[/COLOR][COLOR=red][/COLOR] [COLOR=red]How to properly Install a VGA/CPU Cooler.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]How to uninstall\install your ATi vga drivers properly[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]*It's not who we are, but what we do in life that defines us.*[/COLOR]

Jun 27, 2005, 01:56 AM	Thread Starter #15
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	man ATI is getting in big shTl. The company anit canadian no more __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive*: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Jun 27, 2005, 08:42 AM	#16
Ðamage™ DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 545 Rep Power: 0	umm yes it is. Canada (ATI Headquarters) ATI Technologies Inc. 1 Commerce Valley Drive East Markham, Ontario Canada L3T 7X6 __________________ [COLOR=black][COLOR=red]ATi[/COLOR] Bios Flashing: The Proper Way.[/COLOR][COLOR=red][/COLOR] [COLOR=red]How to properly Install a VGA/CPU Cooler.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]How to uninstall\install your ATi vga drivers properly[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]*It's not who we are, but what we do in life that defines us.*[/COLOR]

Jun 28, 2005, 02:32 AM	Thread Starter #17
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	The company has more than 2,500 employees across its headquarters in Markham, Ontario, and offices in the Americas, Europe and Asia. ATI has research and development facilities in California, Florida, Massachusetts, Ontario and Pennsylvania and manufactures its products in Canada and Taiwan. In its fiscal year 2004, ATI recorded revenues of US $2.0 billion. Member of the NASDAQ 100, ATI common shares trade on NASDAQ (ATYT) and the Toronto Stock Exchange (ATY). NO! __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Jun 28, 2005, 02:51 AM	#18
Ðamage™ DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 545 Rep Power: 0	Ati is a canadian based company brother.. yes it has companies and research facilities around the world, like most big organizations.. but you'll notice I copied and pasted that info from ati.com and Ati in Canada is the headquaters and if you did your research you'd know that.. they are a Canadian based company sorry to pop your balloon. "Canada (ATI Headquarters)" __________________ [COLOR=black][COLOR=red]ATi[/COLOR] Bios Flashing: The Proper Way.[/COLOR][COLOR=red][/COLOR] [COLOR=red]How to properly Install a VGA/CPU Cooler.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]How to uninstall\install your ATi vga drivers properly[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]*It's not who we are, but what we do in life that defines us.*[/COLOR]

Jun 28, 2005, 03:40 AM	Thread Starter #19
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	I think it's both an Canadian and American. Either way ATI SUCKS! __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Jun 28, 2005, 03:45 AM	#20
Ðamage™ DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 545 Rep Power: 0	Everyone's intitled to their own opinion. But thanks all the same for yours __________________ [COLOR=black][COLOR=red]ATi[/COLOR] Bios Flashing: The Proper Way.[/COLOR][COLOR=red][/COLOR] [COLOR=red]How to properly Install a VGA/CPU Cooler.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]How to uninstall\install your ATi vga drivers properly[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]*It's not who we are, but what we do in life that defines us.*[/COLOR]

Jun 28, 2005, 03:54 AM	Thread Starter #23
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	yup, i'm korean. You know by my bad language lol. Yeah. The XT 800 Etc is shit. i like the 9 series __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B