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Old Aug 19, 2004, 12:12 PM   #46
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I dont understand how doing a typical male sexual act has to do anything with benchmarks?

people trust me veridian 3 is propably checking out why the benchmarks are so low and zardon or so propably is testing as we speak....

you know this site. every time something is questionable they triple check their results.
hey..ye i know..i just dont wanna see a biased benching
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Old Aug 19, 2004, 12:37 PM   #47
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Hehe... That test on VR-Zone isnt that on a de_dust sort of map... So there is NO demanding graphics... AT ALL...

They wrote: Cap of 90 FPS... How the hell can they see that??? They have in 800x600 74 FPS... Lame test...

This is a great 1... Tests alot of nice graphics... But hey great to see this...

So:
Doom3=Nvidia game... 19% performance with 4.9 beta (14% with humus+4.9beta)
HL2= ATI game... 65% performance... Hmm...

I dunno bout you guys but im goin with ATI...

I was thinkin about goin Nvidia... But after trying doom3 i realized its 1 of those games you just complete and throw away... The Multiplayer is BORING... And the singleplayer isnt very challenging... You dont have to do any thinkin... No tactics just shoot...

If HL2 is half of what HL1 was then im with HL2...
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Oh dear... Doom and no 1/2Life for NV ??


Looking at the charts I am happy to own a 6800GT (400/1100), at res. 1600x1200
with 4X AA and 8X AF at max detail this card runs at avg 50 FPS.

Now, thats fantastic.. It is fast!

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a massive dissapointment if your a Geforce 6800 Ultra user.
Why? As long as the framerates are high and games runs smooth
there is no need to be dissapointed! Or is this all about fighting graphics card
brands.

As I see it, this is great for NV users and even greater for ATI users.
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Old Aug 19, 2004, 01:01 PM   #49
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It should also be noted that using 8ss on the nvidia cards has a much greater perfomance hit than 6aa on ati, the type of anti aliasing isnt comparable. Ati said last year they wont use ss as the gain in aa quality isnt worth the loss in performance (see this thread http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...super+sampling)
So those results arnt truly comparable, its a pitty nv doesnt offer a 6aa similar to ati's. The test @4aa is much more comparable imho
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Old Aug 19, 2004, 01:08 PM   #50
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people trust me veridian 3 is propably checking out why the benchmarks are so low and zardon or so propably is testing as we speak.
im sure veridian3 has ran numerous tests to verify results, I really have nothing to do article so I cant "check" anything. If anyone has questions its best to ask veridian3 no need to PM me guys.
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Sorry for the non response to questions over the last hour or two, i've been off doing some further testing...

A lot of people questioned the NV results so i've concentrated on that...

The graph below now has the original 2 results and in addition i've added results for the NV card using forceware 65.62 then some with an extra GB of ram added to that system, then the result of the card overclocked to its max using coolbits +1gb extra + 65.62. I also reinstalled windows, SP2, Hyperion 4.53, and Source to be safe...

1600x1200 4aa 8af


Probably worth noting that all optimisations were on for the 65.62 and i tested with vsync disabled in the driver and app and also aa/af enabled in both to check the results were ok no matter what method was used. Finally, my original findings have been replecated by 2 organisations outside DH.
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Old Aug 19, 2004, 01:12 PM   #52
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Cool thanks for the work. Can you tell me , if you know, does the benchmark use 3dc, as that would cetainly explain the diferance as it can be much faster then dxtc5

Oh and for me (with a gt) Im quite happy with the results they look playable to me which is all that matters to me
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hey..ye i know..i just dont wanna see a biased benching
Ah yes maybe you like tests runnin a 2500xp with a 6800u vs a X800, like I have seen somewhere (luckely I forgot where).. ,
yeah that would not make much diffrence then.
these are top cards ! no sense in testing with a midrange proc.
@ s-flow: Was refering to the few here on DH, who'd changed their X800 for a 6800 to play Doom3 (for 2 day's)
Myself ? still on a 9700 wich will do for HL2 I bet
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Old Aug 19, 2004, 01:16 PM   #54
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It should also be noted that using 8ss on the nvidia cards has a much greater perfomance hit than 6aa on ati, the type of anti aliasing isnt comparable. Ati said last year they wont use ss as the gain in aa quality isnt worth the loss in performance (see this thread http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...super+sampling)
So those results arnt truly comparable, its a pitty nv doesnt offer a 6aa similar to ati's. The test @4aa is much more comparable imho
I agree with that, but I also think that ATI's AA looks just as good if not better (in the latest generation of cards- earlier generations ATI wins hands down)- Nvidia's AA has always looked more jaggy to me..

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. And I was still able to play Doom3 at 1600x1200 16x Aniso in the CP, with High Settings with all Doom 3 quality turned on.
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Myself ? still on a 9700 wich will do for HL2 I bet
I bet you are right, I did some "testing" with my OC'd 9700pro and I think HL2 will be playable even with some AA and AF on a 9700p at 1024 x 768.. With still looks great.. An upgrade to a 9800pro with an OC'able r360 core would probably be quite worth it if you can't afford an x800 yet though... depending on how far you 9700p OC's..

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Why? As long as the framerates are high and games runs smooth
there is no need to be dissapointed! Or is this all about fighting graphics card
brands.

As I see it, this is great for NV users and even greater for ATI users.
I don't think HL2 will run nearly as fast as this game though... could be wrong..

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Veridian3, I'd like to ask you to redo the 1280X960 w/ 4X AA and 8X AF benchmarks. The original ones are simply wrong, and it's therefore very misleading. I was able to get 83.5 FPS every single time I benched with the exact same setting as you. How could you get ~64? Please, if you can find the time, redo those.
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It should also be noted that using 8ss on the nvidia cards has a much greater perfomance hit than 6aa on ati.....
.... So those results arnt truly comparable, its a pitty nv doesnt offer a 6aa similar to ati's. The test @4aa is much more comparable imho
????? Why? you can't blame ATI for that can you?
I Did not see those remarks after the Doom3Benchmarks either.
ATi has an Advantage vs NV in HL2 because Ati keeps itself to the DX.x.x API's, not because it is optimized for the Source Eng., but NV not sticking to the rules of that API is what gives a lowerBM

@ BWX: counting on the 9700 beeing 1/2 the speed of X800, i'll be happy with 40-50fps on 1280

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Its not the stress test that comes with cs:s though that Veridian3 used is it?
The picks look simialr to those Ive seen but Im not sure?

(hay I may make 20 posts if I keep this up )


Oh and above I wasnt blaming anyone for anything it was just an observation, and I didnt know benches used aa for doom3 at least the hardocp ones didnt.

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Veridian3, I'd like to ask you to redo the 1280X960 w/ 4X AA and 8X AF benchmarks. The original ones are simply wrong, and it's therefore very misleading. I was able to get 83.5 FPS every single time I benched with the exact same setting as you. How could you get ~64? Please, if you can find the time, redo those.
With the extra gb of mem and the 65.62 drivers i'm now getting 76fps at 1280x960 4aa8af (stock clocks).
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