ProXhimo

Need help OCing my 4400+

I have tried abit in the BIOS but it won't start after i have changed the settings.

Right now I use the uGuru which came with my computer. And it wotks, but I want to overclock more.

Thanks =)

Pics:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4404671
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4404670
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4404669
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4404668
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4404667

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Specs:
- XFX GeForce 7900GT
- Abit AN8-32X
- AMD X2 4400+ 2,2
- Twinmos 2 gig ram

Judas

Do this:

(WARNING, TAKING ANY suggestion into consideration and actually performing them, is at your OWN risk, no one but yourself is responcible for any damages done to the machine, yourself, or your surroundings if you proceed)

Just to make that clear

IMO, first thing you should do is this:

Set your HTT Multiplier to 4x and your CPU multiplier to 9x, and lastly your Memory divider mode from 200mhz down to 183mhz (or lower). Now push the FSB frequency from 200mhz up to 250mhz.

That should give you a fairly nice boost overall, from there, start moving up the frequency on the FSB about 5mhz at a time until either A: windows doesn't work at all (won't boot) or B: system won't post, at which point back off 5mhz and then do thorough testing every few sets of frequencies.

I'd highly suggest MemTest bootable CD, to do quick checks on your memory to make sure it's operating correctly with no errors, a suite of benchmarks that have a tendancy to either crash or lockup on a single note of being unstable. This will make sure you get a overclock that isn't over the top.


Also, lastly, MAKE SURE you cpu temperatures are within tollerance, i'd recommend that CPU CORE temp should remain at all times, BELOW 60*C, although i'd recommend 50*C just to keep the life of the cpu up.

Depending on how high a frequency you try to obtain on that cpu, you may have to increase your CPU Voltage, i'd highly advise you do't push it over 1.5volts ever, and no higher then 1.45 volts with decent cooling.

With my 4400+ and a XP-90 thermalright cpu heatsink (939) on this Asus A8r32-MVP deluxe, i can sustain perfectly fine, a 2555.5mhz @ 9.5 CPU multiplier and 269FSB with mem frequency devider of 183mhz and HTT of 4x and 1.4v on the cpu not to mention averaging at full load 42*C

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Neshi

i found a forum in my search to overclock the cpu/memory
the x2 3800+ went from 2.0Ghz to 2.6Ghz

hope this helps you

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ProXhimo

But from what you see in my BIOS, what should I change? I understand some of the things but mostly I'm like big question mark. I have tried to overclock before, but my pc would not accept the overclock, so it did not work! =)

Zelig

Overclocking isn't a five minute exercise where you just change some BIOS settings and get free speed. You have to spend time to learn what you're doing, and then you have to spend time testing different settings.

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Read those two posts (ignore the DFI board specific stuff, most of it is relevant), you should understand everything in both of them before you start messing around in the BIOS.


Judas:
You realize lowering both the mem divider and cpu multiplier is sort of senseless, unless you're extremely close to your components' limits, and just finely tuning the MHz? I've never seen a good reason to reduce the CPU multiplier on an A64 platform, especially when lowering the mem divider as well.

Edit: The DFI forums aren't working for now, the link in Neshi's first post is still good though, some of the stuff I had linked was by THunDA too.

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ProXhimo

Thanks m8 =) I will read thru the posts and understand the meaning. But if it is not a problem, can I ask you if you know if the Uguru Utility bar in the BIOS is standard, becuase I have searched a bit around and found nothing about, and that lead to that I did not understand some of the info I was reading. I think I do not got all options you do? Or am I wrong?

But Thanks again =)

Judas

the suggestion was to obtain a higher FSB. I'm considering the fact that alot of the the 4400+'s love the higher FSB (and who wouldn't).... and that we are probably dealing with PC3200 DDR or if not that, PC3500 ish rated ram.

Reguardless, my settings should put the FSB squarely @ 250mhz while the mem should be sitting nicely @ 200mhz and the HTT @ 1000mhz (so stock pretty much aside from a boosted FSB).

Not only this, but with the higher FSB, you can easily increase the cpu clock without much more adjusting by increase only the multiplier and cpu voltage. It's kinda handy. It's a good place to start imo, increaseing from 250fsb to 255 and so on.

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ProXhimo

Here is the failure I get after a little messing in the BIOS. :P
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4406277

Judas

that is usually normal if an overclock had failed to post.

Does it do anything after you've saved and exit, or just emediately go to that screen?

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Zelig

Boosted "FSB" doesn't do anything for performance though. Higher HTT/FSB with all other factors (cpu MHz, HT MHz, RAM MHz) constant doesn't affect speed.
HTT = 200, mem divider = 1/1, cpu multi = 10x, LDT = 5x, cpu freq = 2000 MHz, ram freq = 200 MHz
HTT = 250, mem divider = 4/5, cpu multi = 8, LDT = 4x, cpu freq = 2000 MHz, ram freq = 200 MHz
Those two settings will give the exact same performance, unless you start hitting motherboard limits because of the high HTT, try some benchmarks if you're interested.

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Neshi

but lowering HTT and mem to increase your FSB so you find the highest Mhz overclock is a good way to start. once you found the highest cpu overclock, you will lower the multiplier, mem on stock again and search for the max of the mem. after that you combine both and finetune it.

thats the way i did it. took me 2 days though...

proxhimo, if you read through the link i gave you, it will explain what every thing means in the bios, and what to do. step by step...
I mean this link . it really tells it all

another thing, i dont know if its in the link i just posted.
set everything on stock before you start overclocking. i see in the pics the memory is set on auto

another thing i found.. once you found the max of your cpu and memory, you could use this site to check it out. what settings to use etc. or just to play around a bit.
http://math.gogar.com/a64ocbrowser.html

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ProXhimo

But if you see at my BIOS pictures, in my first post, do you see that I got all the settings I need to overclock? After reading through the posts I start to wonder if my BIOS lack som settings. Or I'm I wrong?

Neshi

no... you have to have all the settings..
have you checked every single bit of the bios?
maybe "advanced bios settings"

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ProXhimo

But what about the Volts sent in to my CPU, should I change it?

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After searching a bit round in my BIOS i could'nt find the HTT or the Mem FSB. Can u see it in pics? And yes, I have serched a bit round in BIOS and the only thing I found was DRAM configuration.

Neshi

after increasing your fsb, and it doesnt boot stable into windows anymore, or isnt stable with the stresstesting you could try to increase voltage (watch the temperature! very important) and maybe this will stabelize it. but this is also in the guide

in my bios, the things are called differently...
you might want to take a look at my post.

in that thread there is another link that really explained some things for me. (before my oc i was a real newb too.. although i think i still am )

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ProXhimo

I read through your posts, but it seems like you actually can startup to windows after you have changed something in the BIOS, on the other hand my computer just shows the failure from my present post.

Neshi

maybe you're trying a too big of a step. what have you changed exactly?

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ProXhimo

I have tried ti change from 200 to 220 in external clock, with multiplier set to x11.

Neshi

with that increase you also increased you memory clock.
i guess that's what made it crash. it's really more then just increasing the cpu frequency!

i can only tell you, set everything back to normal, write down the normal settings, so if anything goes wrong, you still know what it was originally.

i've posted that link to the tryout screen of all possible clocks and stuff. if you make the change you did, you see it won't just change your total Mhz, but also the HT bus and the memory. Possibly the memory couldnt handle the increase..

read the whole guide thoroughly, because this is also explained.
read it closely, and follow the guide, then you should be fine really...

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ProXhimo

But if you see at the pics i showed you of my BIOS, i can't see any HTT that I can change.. :S

Neshi

have you really read the guide, my post, the links that were given in that thread?
that will explain really everything. I cant look into your bios.. so i dont know, but it certainly isnt missing parts so you will able to overclock.

If you look at the pictures of my bios, you will see that neither i have the HTT option in my bios.
that is called the CPU frequency. just look at the pictures and look into your bios. combine that with the several guides you have now (the link i gave you and the link in the thread i started, i gave you the link to that also). All this combined you know enough to try some things out.

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Neshi

overclocking isnt done in 5 minutes!! that has been said already.
it isnt just increasing the FSB/HTT/CPU frequency or whatever it is called...

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wiskerbizkit

you have to make sure to keep your htt under 1000. the ht multiplier option could be called many things, htt multi, ldt multi or k8-nb multi. you need to set that to 3x or 4x. I have mine set to 4x.

Also theres this helpful little program called a64info(google it)It has a really nice calculator in it and you can also OC in windows to get an idea of what you can get out of it.

My setup is at 10x cpu multi, 4x ht multi (in my bios its called k8 to nb freq). my HT speed (fsb,cpu freq) is at 250. My memclk is at 200mhz (because i have 250mhz ram)

When i first got this setup i was coming from a 478 P4 and i had no idea what was going on.I must have reset cmos 95 times before getting 100 mhz out of it.

you don't happen to have your cpu stepping numbers handy do you? mine is an LCBIE 0632EPMW, i cant find much info about it but it does 2.65ghz with no voltage change and i just recently scored 8598 in 3dmark 06 @ 2625mhz

I hope this info helps you, If not just post back here i'll try to give you whatever help i can.