DriveEuro

I took mine off of my 9500 non pro.... But oddly I can't overclock any higher even with a smart fan 2 attached to the heat sink... I think I just got a bad overclocker.

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WyreTheWolf

How high could you get it?

BWX

360mhz isn't too bad is it? Or do most 9500p's go higher? My 9700p won't do 360 yet, at least not w/ shim on there.

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WyreTheWolf

360MHz CORE! That is an excellent speed. I am just wanting to mod my 9500 non pro into a 9700 Pro at stock speeds. Stock speeds of the 9500 non pro being 275/270 and the stock speeds of the 9700 Pro being 325/310 .... Now since the non pro that I bought has 3.0ns memory (1000/3.0=333.33MHz) then I should be able to hit 9700 Pro speeds, and maybe a bit higher. In any order ... this card will be a very good upgrade from my Geforce4 Ti 4200 128MB card. Right now I am just waiting on the Radeon 9500 non pro that I bought to get here. Sapphire Tech Radeon 9500 non pro (on a 9700 PCB, and 3ns memory...) CANT WAIT FOR IT TO GET HERE! then the modding shall begin!

DriveEuro

360 excellent? Nah, I can go to 370 but then I see small black dots while running benches... i go to 380 and i get checkerboards eventually. My 9500pro i had could do 380 stable for benches. 385 i would see artifacts.

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BWX

Dude, that's fast- My 9700p only does 350 with stock cooling- I think it MAY possibly get to 360 when I get the heatsink properly on the gpu, but that's prolly it-- I think you got a fast card there bro.

WyreTheWolf

It is excellent when compaired to my Geforce4 Ti 4200 128MB card! LOL it runs 335MHz core without artifacts... any higher it freaks. But, that is all going to be in the past... Right now I am getting a sweet 9500 non-pro shipped to me for modification... transmogification? LOL

BWX

You're gonna love it too- These ATI cards are seriously fast- It amazes me everytimje I turn on a game- You will basically have a 9700pro when your done- all pipes enabled right? Yup- it'll be flying....

WyreTheWolf

Well, I think I can mod this card into a 9700 Pro. I am looking for a permenet mod, and from my understanding I will have to move a resister on the GPU substrate, and flash the Radeon 9700 Pro BIOS to it. But, I am unsure... I will have to keep researching this, and see what I can , and can not do.

DriveEuro

No, check this out.... http://www.maxdownloads.com/~ian/wizzard/ no need to do permanent. I guess you don't know that those resistors are small as a pencil tip... Believe me, i've looked at them. Just softmod. The mod is done within the drivers. No need in possibly crapping out your card with the hard mod. And YES, the results are the same, IDENTICAL.

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WyreTheWolf

DE, I think you are missing my point. I want this to be a perm. mod... I will softmod first.. then I will do the hardware mod. As far as the size of the resistors... I have all the tools to repair everything from motherboards to graphics cards. Anyways... that is neither here nor there... I have found some unconfirmed reports that some of the 9500np cards that experianced problems when doing the 9700 nod... such as checkerboarding... lost these problems when modded to the 9800. So, I will just have to play the wait and see game ... ARGH... /me checks mail box one last time... nope. NOT THERE YET!

DriveEuro

The checkerboarding is also attributed to some cards not working properly when modded. The biggest problem is usually the memory bus. Also the checkerboarding, as we all know, is a result of overclocking too high.

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WyreTheWolf

Well, in a few days I will know ... Should have it by the 24th, or 25th.... ARGH! I hate waiting!

DriveEuro

Join the crowd.

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BWX

Man, I had my heatsink off my card and tried to get the shim off- No chance in hell, that thing is on there tight!!! I just put some white paste on the sticky crap that was already there because it looked like it had "veins" or little valleys in the pad where it connected to the gpu. I tried to pry it off, but there is nowhere to get leverage and I'm not going to go crazy with anything between the shim and substrate- I dunno- the card still works, but I'll have to run some benchies to make sure it will still OC as high. It just isn't worth the risk of killing it-- Bummer- I'll have to wait to hear from someone who has done it successfully and see if I can get some more dtailed instruction..

I would love it IF I could get this far- I didn't have enouggh room to get even the thinnest razor blade between the shim and substrate.




EDIT-- Wow, here's the deal: when I first got my card it would run 351/351, then after a few days it would show artifacts at 342 core, last week it started showing artifacts at 338 core after running 3dmrk03 looping.

Now, after I put the white goop on there (I also took oof the original fan and put on a 60mm x 25mm fan on there since the beginning. One more thing is a little chipset heatsink on the little red heat plate on the back- but that has bean there since the beginning too.

So the only change is the white goop- I just ran through 3dmark 01 and 03 at 378mhz core and just started to see very small artifacts- the mem was at default because I wanted to just test core- I started out at 330mhz, then 337.5, then 344, the 351, then 357, then 364.5, then 371, then 378, and ran through benches w/ 6xAA, 16xAF and all other settings in drivers maxed at each setting.

Now that goes to show that ATI's stock cooling is very inadequate- If a little white goop got me to 371 from 330 (last oc w/o artifacts) then I can imagine that removal of the shim and lapping the heatsink then using AS3 or any other good paste will get me to at least 380mhz w/o artifacts, if not more.
It probably won't go that high with my memory maxed out too, but it might, obviously I had a heat transfer problem before.

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Vampyromaniac

Interesting results, BWX
Was there anything else between the HSF and the core? Like a pad or something?
And if so, did you leave it there, or remove it, when you added the white goop?



PS I luv the word 'goop'

BWX

Yep, there was the regular yellow sticky pad on there- it left a film about 1/10 mm on the srface of the HSF and gpu both- I left it there because if I scraped it off the goop wouldn't be thick enough to bridge the gap- But since I left it all there and just added the white goop- it must have filled in all the little places where the pad wasn't making good contact and the results speak for themselves- it must have worked well enough. The HSF gets MUCH hotter now, (a good thing). I think if I ever get the shim off there and lap the heatsink and put some really good goop on there I might even get some more speed out of it, but actually, if these results stick, I'll probably just leave it. 371.5 mhz stable is plenty fast enough for me, and it does run quite nicely at 380mhz, but after a while I see very tiny little white dots once in a while- completely different from the artifacts I was seeing before the white goop treatment, which were huge angular lines and geometric shapes that followed rthe 3-D objects around on the screen and eventually would comletely fill the screen even at 351mhz.. So I'm pretty happy with what I have now.

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