MHz speed or Memory Timings?

No_Style · May 2, 2003, 04:15 PM

I'm curious as to which would yield better performance. I've heard that if you relax your memory timings, a slightly higher overclock is achievable.

Kgentatszu] · May 2, 2003, 04:27 PM

by increasing the fsb, you get higher CPU frequency and memory frequency................so, increasing the fsb should yield better performance

DriveEuro · May 3, 2003, 06:29 AM

mhz bring more gain... BUT after you cranked up the mhz you can tighten the timings also. Not necessarily as much, but you can do it.

May 3, 2003, 03:39 PM

they both do a lot of good... yes increasing the FSB will give you more speed... and just all around better performance, but lowering the mem timings can let you get the FSB higher... before i lowered my mem timings i couldnt get my FSB past 190... but then i lowered them and got the fsb to 200!!! plus i have my RAM voltage at 2.7 and my CPU voltage at 1.8... but with your question MHz speed would give you better performance, but if you want to get all you can then i would lower my mem timings... BUT NOT TOO MUCH!!! dont try and make is 1-1-1-1 on your first time... mine is only at 6-2-2-2...

Kgentatszu] · May 3, 2003, 03:48 PM

wow, general, you can actually have your memory timings at 1-1-1-1!!! that's interesting ,cause i couldn't( not to mention i dont even have the option to do so)

May 3, 2003, 04:36 PM

it was an example... i was saying to not try to put the mem timings to low. because i can't hear your voice i dont know if you were sarcastic or not... (i assume you were...) so if you were then shut your friggin face and go enter for the video card again you stupid spammer... otherwise ignore this post...

EDIT: btw... your timings suck!

~~shai~~ · May 3, 2003, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by generalstupid

EDIT: btw... your timings suck! [/B]

hes right...

May 3, 2003, 07:37 PM

thank you. 5-2-2-2 is very good. so your first number is great. but your last 3 suck...

May 3, 2003, 07:41 PM

btw Maxwell... if you lower your mem timings then you can get your FSB up a lot higher. And why do you have a gig of RAM? do you render stuff a lot. Otherwise if you are just a gamer then a gig of ram is just a waste of money

~~craig588~~ · May 4, 2003, 03:27 AM

And, you can get better overclocks with fewer sticks of ram, but it won't matter if you have it all on one stick.

Kgentatszu] · May 4, 2003, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by generalstupid
it was an example... i was saying to not try to put the mem timings to low. because i can't hear your voice i dont know if you were sarcastic or not... (i assume you were...) so if you were then shut your friggin face and go enter for the video card again you stupid spammer... otherwise ignore this post...

EDIT: btw... your timings suck!

Hello, guys , i'm a super noob here remember? so ,i DO NOT know that what memory timimgs can your MOBO's yield?? besides , i live in 3rd world country, which is not very modern compared to you guys, who knows that some might even yield a 1-1-1-1 on some MOBO's who the hell knows?? i'm new a these , remember??( a super noob ) , so generally, i WAS trying to be polite.........

and ........ my memory is PC2100 based (it is 2-2-2-4 on 133fsb), now it is o.ced.................so, to reach that fsb i had to relax my timings (188fsb)

so, one stick can yield better oc, HMmmmmm, thankz for the tips, i'll keep that in mind........thankz really!! i didn't know, can you give some explaination on that?? thankz in advance.....

By the way, 'bout that 1 gig, it's for the sake of experimenting the differences between a 512 and 1024 on my PC......but then, no big deal i think......(doesnt give me too much a performance, you were right though)

~~craig588~~ · May 4, 2003, 01:32 PM

You can get better overclocks because with more than one stick the electrical signals need to travel further, giving them a higher possiblity of errors. With one stick the distance they need to travel is shorter.

tek · May 4, 2003, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by craig588
You can get better overclocks because with more than one stick the electrical signals need to travel further, giving them a higher possiblity of errors. With one stick the distance they need to travel is shorter.

Well said.

Kgentatszu] · May 4, 2003, 03:33 PM

thankz craig, learned something new today.....

May 4, 2003, 05:01 PM

ok maxwell... like i said... just ignore that post. Its hard to tell what is sarcasm with only text... but really... you could get better timings on your ram. Particularly your last 2 numbers... 6 is really friggin high. You need to put it down to at least 2.5... and your second to last one to at least 3...

Kgentatszu] · May 4, 2003, 06:29 PM

Nah~, i wouldn't do that if i were you, Definitely, i'm gonna burn my memory in no time at all.......hey, it used to be 2-2-2-4, unfortunately, memory wouldn't let me do it at 188fsb *sad*

Vampyromaniac · May 6, 2003, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by generalstupid
Particularly your last 2 numbers... 6 is really friggin high. You need to put it down to at least 2.5... and your second to last one to at least 3...

general, you are thinking of his numbers the wrong way, they are not in the same order as how you've been suggesting things . . .
think of his as 6-3-3-4, he simply has his "Active-to-Precharge" number last.

And do you realize he's running 133MHz RAM at 183MHz?
I don't think he can do that with aggressive timings (in fact he said he can't)
It is a 37% overclock, after all.

Quite impressive.

~~shai~~ · May 6, 2003, 11:54 AM

my pc2100 crucial could do 180 with low timings back then

s}{aggy · May 6, 2003, 12:15 PM

mhz over memory timings

mhz yeild more system preformace

fatmanp · May 6, 2003, 04:26 PM

memory timings along with higher fsb give better performance, but usually you won't see much difference if you change the timings to less stressful, as much as you would see gain in performance upping the fsb and memory clock.

May 7, 2003, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
general, you are thinking of his numbers the wrong way, they are not in the same order as how you've been suggesting things . . .
think of his as 6-3-3-4, he simply has his "Active-to-Precharge" number last.

And do you realize he's running 133MHz RAM at 183MHz?
I don't think he can do that with aggressive timings (in fact he said he can't)
It is a 37% overclock, after all. Quite impressive.

yea... thats what i had actually just started thinking about... i am used to seeing them as 6-3-3-4... or 6-3-4-3... whichever it was... anyway i thought he had faster ram... so yea... that is an amazing overclock...

Kgentatszu] · May 7, 2003, 06:49 AM

yea, me too, finally noticed that...........
i thought that my sticks of ram really sucked all the way, cause you can get your last digit to 2 and mine still at a miserable timigs which is 3-3-4-6.

BUT, as for the conclusion,my ram timings still suck at 188fsb..
lol~

May 8, 2003, 12:44 AM

well yea but you really need to understand how utterly crappy PC2100 RAM is to overclock... you really have a great overclock. I beat you, but barely. And then i have the ram that is made to go at 400 MHz...

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fatmanp DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	memory timings along with higher fsb give better performance, but usually you won't see much difference if you change the timings to less stressful, as much as you would see gain in performance upping the fsb and memory clock. __________________ Nothing is over until i say so!!!

May 2, 2003, 04:27 PM	#2
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	by increasing the fsb, you get higher CPU frequency and memory frequency................so, increasing the fsb should yield better performance

May 3, 2003, 03:39 PM	#4
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	they both do a lot of good... yes increasing the FSB will give you more speed... and just all around better performance, but lowering the mem timings can let you get the FSB higher... before i lowered my mem timings i couldnt get my FSB past 190... but then i lowered them and got the fsb to 200!!! plus i have my RAM voltage at 2.7 and my CPU voltage at 1.8... but with your question MHz speed would give you better performance, but if you want to get all you can then i would lower my mem timings... BUT NOT TOO MUCH!!! dont try and make is 1-1-1-1 on your first time... mine is only at 6-2-2-2...

May 3, 2003, 03:48 PM	#5
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	wow, general, you can actually have your memory timings at 1-1-1-1!!! that's interesting ,cause i couldn't( not to mention i dont even have the option to do so)

May 3, 2003, 04:36 PM	#6
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	it was an example... i was saying to not try to put the mem timings to low. because i can't hear your voice i dont know if you were sarcastic or not... (i assume you were...) so if you were then shut your friggin face and go enter for the video card again you stupid spammer... otherwise ignore this post... EDIT: btw... your timings suck!

May 3, 2003, 07:37 PM	#8
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	thank you. 5-2-2-2 is very good. so your first number is great. but your last 3 suck...

May 3, 2003, 07:41 PM	#9
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	btw Maxwell... if you lower your mem timings then you can get your FSB up a lot higher. And why do you have a gig of RAM? do you render stuff a lot. Otherwise if you are just a gamer then a gig of ram is just a waste of money

May 4, 2003, 03:27 AM	#10
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	And, you can get better overclocks with fewer sticks of ram, but it won't matter if you have it all on one stick.

May 4, 2003, 01:32 PM	#12
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	You can get better overclocks because with more than one stick the electrical signals need to travel further, giving them a higher possiblity of errors. With one stick the distance they need to travel is shorter.

May 4, 2003, 03:33 PM	#14
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	thankz craig, learned something new today.....

May 4, 2003, 05:01 PM	#15
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	ok maxwell... like i said... just ignore that post. Its hard to tell what is sarcasm with only text... but really... you could get better timings on your ram. Particularly your last 2 numbers... 6 is really friggin high. You need to put it down to at least 2.5... and your second to last one to at least 3...

May 4, 2003, 06:29 PM	#16
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	Nah~, i wouldn't do that if i were you, Definitely, i'm gonna burn my memory in no time at all.......hey, it used to be 2-2-2-4, unfortunately, memory wouldn't let me do it at 188fsb sad

May 6, 2003, 11:54 AM	#18
~~shai~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 613 Rep Power: 0	my pc2100 crucial could do 180 with low timings back then

May 7, 2003, 06:49 AM	#22
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	yea, me too, finally noticed that........... i thought that my sticks of ram really sucked all the way, cause you can get your last digit to 2 and mine still at a miserable timigs which is 3-3-4-6. BUT, as for the conclusion,my ram timings still suck at 188fsb.. lol~

May 8, 2003, 12:44 AM	#23
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	well yea but you really need to understand how utterly crappy PC2100 RAM is to overclock... you really have a great overclock. I beat you, but barely. And then i have the ram that is made to go at 400 MHz...