Modding a XP2100+ w/ a A7N8X Deluxe?

tek · May 3, 2003, 03:17 PM

[COLOR=green]I'd like to overclock my XP2100+ with this motherboard... all information (I think that has to do with overclocking) is posted under this) PLEASE help me out guys.. I would SCREAM with joy if I made this 2100 into a 2200 or a 2300.[/COLOR]
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CPU Frequency Multiple Setting:
Auto
Menu:
6.5x
7.0x/15.0x
7.5x
8.0x/16.0x
8.5x/16.5x
9.0x/17.0x
9.5x
10.0x
10.5x
11.0x
11.5x
12.0x
12.5x/13.0x
13.0x
13.5x
14.0x

FSB Spread Spectrum:
Disabled
0.50%

CPU Vcore Setting:
Auto
Menu:
1.750V
1.850V
1.825V
1.825V
1.800V
1.775V

AGP Frequency:
Auto
50MHZ
60MHZ
70MHZ
80MHZ
90MHZ
100MHZ

DDR Reference Voltage:
2.6V
2.7V
2.8V

AGP VDDQ Voltage:
1.5v
1.6V
1.7V

I went to my motherboard BIOS **** and I wrote all information I THINK HAS TO DO WITH OVERCLOCKING, now if you guys know anything about this, please tell me which EXACT things to change to which option, thank you again. Also I've updated my BIOS to the latest BIOS... if that helps anything? And where are the timings for RAM? Heheh, me r need lotta help.

tek · May 3, 2003, 03:54 PM

I'm very sorry for bumping, but please ANYONE, tell me which settings to modify. Sorry again.

shuki · May 3, 2003, 04:02 PM

set multi to 14x and fsb to 143
vcore to 1.85
vDDR to 2.8
spread spectrum - disabled
AGP auto

not familiar with your BIOS but your mem timings are there somewhere. CAS to RAS type stuff

Most important thing with OCing is your temps. Before doing anything I would do 2 things:
1. DL and install and configure motherboard monitor 5 (not asus monitor stuff but true MBM 5) so you can see even now what your idle and load cpu temps are
2. create a disk image or backup of your entire setup. that or be prepared to reinstall the OS and everything fresh after a format c: as OCing has been know on more than one occasion to completely trash the OS install...

tek · May 3, 2003, 04:03 PM

SOME current settings.. (important ones)
CPU External Frequency: 133MHZ
Memory Frequency: 150% (Resulting Frequency: 200MHZ)
DDR Reference Voltage: 2.6V
CPU Vcore: 1.750V
Memory Timings: Aggressive (8,4,4,3T)

All available settings are on aggressive.

tek · May 3, 2003, 04:05 PM

Backup my files and stuff.. yeah sure I'll go do that right now, and I'll change what you said.. but how will I know that my chip is now higher ? Like from 2100+ to 2200+ ?

**Roadee** · May 3, 2003, 04:09 PM

Shuki......are you saying that the 2100 stock clock can be changed from 13x to 14x just from inside the BIOS? I thought that the A7N8X only unlocked the processor to lower multi's and that you had to unlock the processor for that? Shoot me if I am stupid, but I am just wanting to make sure that I am getting this straight.

tek · May 3, 2003, 04:17 PM

How would I know if I've OC'ed my XP2100+, will it be under My Computer > Right click, properties > AMD Athlon XPxxxx+ ?

shuki · May 3, 2003, 04:22 PM

just a few things:
1. tek be sure you know how to clear your CMOS on that board. If you try and boot and get a black screen and fans running but no BIOS or POST, clear your CMOS which will result in reseting your BIOS to all default settings.
2. and you had better do the motherboard monitor 5 thing check your temps before you change anything!
3. Your memory should be at 100% not 150%. you want same 1:1 ratio with CPU speed
4. yes rt. click my computer -> properties will give you your speed

again I am not familiar with your BIOS settings at all as I'm an abit man myself. so you'll have to sit down with your mobo manual and determine where the mem settings are (both timings and how to get it to 100% or a 1:1 cpu/ddr ratio)

Roadee, I thought some revisions of that board would do it with only a BIOS update and he said he had latest. worth a try at the very least. if it does not post then he'll know to clear CMOS and come back and report

tek · May 3, 2003, 04:27 PM

Yes I know how to clear CMOS, I just backed up all my important files (I LOVE 52x burner) I'm about to install lastest version of MbM and im OFF to OC!! Yes I have latest BIOS for my revision

And that 200% freq for RAM is right, cuz i Have DDR400 ram, 200x2=400

I read it in my booklet, thnx

tek · May 3, 2003, 04:55 PM

I changed the settings you told me to change and all that happened was my monitor would not turn on, so I did the CMOS thing (reseting BIOS), ahh first try = failed, alright... whats next, got any other ideas ? I'll keep trying till I get it.

tek · May 3, 2003, 05:17 PM

If you'd like to contact me that would be great MSN: impstek@msn.com

shuki · May 3, 2003, 05:29 PM

tek, there is a little button on the bottom of each post labeled "edit" you can click that and edit your post without having to post and post and post

so appears your board will not unlock the cpu for you. the easiest way then is to just leave it on 13x and raise fsb. Go ahead and set same settings as before (vcore etc) only leave the multi at 13x and set fsb to 140 see if it'll boot

tek · May 3, 2003, 05:49 PM

Ok thanks man, I thought if I hit edit you wouldnt see it because its the last post ;/

tek · May 3, 2003, 05:54 PM

It WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm now at 1.82GHZ, ok now lets keep going, what's next, I need more

What shall I change now.....

Also... I set the Ram freq. shit from 150% to 100%, ima try now make it 150% when u tell me what to change next

BEFORE OVERCLOCKING:

AFTER OVERCLOCKING 1 TIME:

Good ?

May 3, 2003, 06:11 PM

yes good temps... here are my settings. You should be thrown up to my speed real easy if you have good cooling. Go here slowly though...

vcore: 1.8
DRAM voltage: 2.7
FSB: 200
Multi: 11
RAM timings (find it in your bios...): 6-2-2-2
and i think thats about all you need to know... dont try to get there to fast though... go slow and check your temps. thats what tells you your max speed...

EDIT: ok i just read your posts... what type of core does your processor have? Either way change your mem timings still and then make your FSB 170 to match me... you shouldnt have to raise the voltage on your RAM but you will have to change the core voltage (cpu voltage) in order to stablize it... try it at 1.8 and play some high power games... if it restarts then slowly raise your voltage...

tek · May 3, 2003, 06:21 PM

I dont understand what the core of my processor is ? Can you explain it to me.
And I saw your settings, it shows Freq. Multiple at 11? Am I supposed to go lower or higher cuz I'm at 13 as you know right now.

My entire system info (taken from 3dmark03 and transformed into HTML)
http://desue.net/ivan/system.html

shuki · May 3, 2003, 06:57 PM

his board unlocks his chip for him so he can change his multiplier. yours is locked so you're stuck at 13x for now. See how high you can go at 13. On my kx7 (locked) I wanted the 13x multi as my GPU would not go higher than 175fsb anyhow. Stay at 13x.

also, back your vcore off by about .05 in BIOS and then see what mbm 5 tells you. looks like its up closer to 1.9v which is a bit high. but temps do look good! Get it to ~1.85 in mbm5

As I said I don't have your BIOS so I don't know if 100% is actually 2x or if you need it to be 200%. Easy way to know though is when you first power up system it should display mem speed on POST screen. Well on my abits it does again not real sure about asus but hope its the same.

Get vcore settled and mem speed settled as you do definitely want to be running 2x whatever fsb is set at for ddr

Once thats squared away, go for 145. But remember, booting into windows does not = stable! Loop 3dmark2k1 and 2k3 a few times and run sandra mem bandwidth bench on a few burn in loops.

May 3, 2003, 07:35 PM

unless you have a thourough bred b core for your processor (NOT a palamino) you wont be able to get up much past 1.8 GHz... but if you do have a T-Bred B like i have then you can't get up to as high as me very easily... btw shuki... i still think he doesnt need 1.85 volts on his cpu. Mine is at 1.8 and i am stable...

shuki · May 3, 2003, 09:18 PM

you and roadee are both right about the paly/tbred core. I didn't even think paly since tbreds are so common DUH!! But tek the only way to find out is if you pull that cpu out and write down all of the info on the cpu core itself.... And General, he may well be stable at 1.8Ghz at 1.8vcore but I always just crank it pretty good and see how far we can go. We can always scale back later

A bit worried though as ol tek seems to have disappeared

May 3, 2003, 10:32 PM

what i do is try to have the lowest and most stable voltage i can have... so i will raise it if the speed is not stable and see how high i can go. I know what you mean also, i didnt think about pally's either until i thought of it... then it made so much sense... but to tek just look at the siver core on the processor... or even its color. If the core is square then it is a pally... if it is rectangle and i MEAN rectangle (not it looks like a square but it also looks like a rectangle... it either IS or it isnt...) then it is tbred- b...

edit: Also shuki... i try to think of the simplist things first then work my way up when troubleshooting...

tek · May 3, 2003, 11:44 PM

Sorry to dissappear guys! I had to go to work, hehee, ehm I dont understand the square/rectangle shit... my CPU is gold on the side that goes into the motherboard.. that help any?

And my FSB, how many increments shud I increase it by, 2, 5, maybe even 10? Or just by one like 140 > 141.
I'll go try to decrease my VCORE as you said general or whoever it was

(I dont see how it will help it)

But mainly I just wanna know what the next step is.. increase FSB (by how many), increase VCORE?
Thanks guys.. lets keep this going hehee.

EDIT: I backed the VCORE down to 1.800, now MBM says 1.84 for core but Sensor 2 went from 49 to 50. That alright ?
ALSO, I'm pretty sure my CPU is a thoroughbred because I looked on newegg.com where I bought my processor, and all they have for 2100+ is two thoroughbred processor's one retail, one OEM, mine is a retail.

tek · May 4, 2003, 01:02 AM

OK, I set FSB from 140 > 145 and my memory timings to 6-2-2-2 and my monitor would not turn on, (which means I had to clear CMOS) So I did and I set up like old settings, FSB: 140 VCORE: 1.800 MULTIPLIER: 13.0x and now I'm back to last OC which is 1824GHZ.

Also I changed my DDR Freq like you said I should and now when comp is booting it shows Memory Frequency: 139
Is that OK, for 2x 256MB DDR400 (which is 512MB DDR400).

EDIT: Oh yeah I also cranked fan speeds up a bit, so now temps are: [ Sensor1: 24 / Sensor2: 45 / Sensor3:29 ]

May 4, 2003, 01:44 AM

ok then i think personally that you have a pally... the way you tell is you look at the silver piece that touches the heatsink... if it is REALLY REALLY rectangle then it is thourough bred... otherwise its pally. also i think if the plastic part of the cpu is green its thourough bred. Personally i think you really need to not overclock until you really know what you are doing. That is the simplest way to do it. That way you dont screw anything up. I think that most people will agree with me

tek · May 4, 2003, 01:47 AM

Changed Memory Freq. to 100% and when I went into system and went into game, game froze, and shut off, then when I went into CS, it was REALLY REALLY REALLY laggy, then I restart and went into BIOS changed something and then my memory was jumping up and down really fast like the memory usage was jumping 5MB every sec, it was scaring me, then I restart again, went into BIOS and I set Memory Freq. to 150% Resultingin 209MHz (I think) Now I guess everythings OK, can you just tell me what to increase now.. IF i were to increase FSB, by how much shall I do it (2, 4, 5, 10) and should I change the multiplier?

EDIT: Sensor2 now at 53

tek · May 4, 2003, 04:17 AM

Fuck, I tried playing CS and it fucks up in a sec and freezes and shit, so now I reset all my settings to old settings and CPU works fine now, CSTRIKE has no probs... WTF!!

shuki · May 4, 2003, 05:17 AM

what brand is your ddr 400? and obviously at 400 it should have no problems running down at 280...

But it very well could have been your timings. And from your numbers below, your memory does need to be 200%. If your fsb is 140 then your memory should be at 280. Being 150% and 209? is just underclocked memory. Set it to 200% even now at stock 133fsb clock and make sure it boots up at 266mhz speed.

if its not mem then maybe it is heat. idle temps and under load temps are two different things. there is a "toast" test out there that you can run and monitor your temps. DL it and run it while watching mbm 5 climb. See where it goes after 5 minutes of toast. If it gets a going too hot, just close toast.

tek · May 4, 2003, 05:19 AM

I felt like trying OC again, and I guess shit works cuz I played GTAIII and it worked smoothly and with no problems
Settings:

FSB: 140
Multiplier: 13x
Memory Frequency: 100% (139 MHz)
VCORE: 1.800
VDDR: Default.. I think that was fuckin up my memory when I set it to 1.80

Seems to be working now... I'm going to try to raise the FSB by two increments and try to see changes, and I'm gonna keep doing that until something happens.. lol

EDIT: If it says Memory Frequency: 139Mhz at POST is that OK? Or should THAT say 266mhz?
Well my FSB is at 140 so what should my Memory Frequency be at ?

shuki · May 4, 2003, 10:01 AM

your mem should say double your fsb at POST. so yeah, if your fsb is at 133 your mem should be 266 at POST. Right now you are underclocking your mem speed by half. Leave all the same only set mem to 200% (or whatever it takes to get it to 2x fsb rate at POST). Right now that fsb is at 140 so your mem POST rate should be at 280mhz....

tek · May 4, 2003, 02:21 PM

That's what I did man... I set memory freq. to 200% so it shows 280MHz IN POST, but guess what happens? Monitor dont turn on and I have to clear CMOS again.. right now it's at AUTO, which makes freq. 139MHz.. I'm stuck wit dis until somebody figures out why it cant boot when my mem. freq. is set at 280MHz.

EDIT: I tried playing CSTRIKE with these settings:
FSB: 140
MULTIPLIER: 13x
MEM. FREQUENCY: AUTO (139MHz)
VCORE: 1.800
VDDR: 1.8

And cstrike froze up and the system showed all this error text with blue bg for like half a sec then comp rebooted, I tried settings vcore higher, same shit, froze up.. now I set mem freq. to 150% (239Mhz, I think

) But now I gotta go to work... so please reply with some tips, help when I get back, thanks.

May 4, 2003, 05:15 PM

good lord... a lot of stuff happened since i was last on... my god... do you really have your ddr voltage at 1.8? if you really do which you shouldnt be able too... then you need to change that to 2.7... but you can hit 140 FSB easily with 2.6 (default)...yes put your ram to 200%... thats what we want it at. that text with the blue bg is NOT a good thing... last time i got that it took me 5 hours to get my hard drive to register... not a fun thing btw. I had to get old hard drives and put them in... format my hard drive countless times. install DDO's... ugh. I dont ever wanna do that again.Anyway you seem to have gotten out of yours ok... i can't think of anything else so we will think of more solutions as the day wears on...

May 3, 2003, 03:17 PM	#1
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	Modding a XP2100+ w/ a A7N8X Deluxe? [COLOR=green]I'd like to overclock my XP2100+ with this motherboard... all information (I think that has to do with overclocking) is posted under this) PLEASE help me out guys.. I would SCREAM with joy if I made this 2100 into a 2200 or a 2300.[/COLOR] ----------------------------------------------------------- CPU Frequency Multiple Setting: Auto Menu: 6.5x 7.0x/15.0x 7.5x 8.0x/16.0x 8.5x/16.5x 9.0x/17.0x 9.5x 10.0x 10.5x 11.0x 11.5x 12.0x 12.5x/13.0x 13.0x 13.5x 14.0x FSB Spread Spectrum: Disabled 0.50% CPU Vcore Setting: Auto Menu: 1.750V 1.850V 1.825V 1.825V 1.800V 1.775V AGP Frequency: Auto 50MHZ 60MHZ 70MHZ 80MHZ 90MHZ 100MHZ DDR Reference Voltage: 2.6V 2.7V 2.8V AGP VDDQ Voltage: 1.5v 1.6V 1.7V I went to my motherboard BIOS **** and I wrote all information I THINK HAS TO DO WITH OVERCLOCKING, now if you guys know anything about this, please tell me which EXACT things to change to which option, thank you again. Also I've updated my BIOS to the latest BIOS... if that helps anything? And where are the timings for RAM? Heheh, me r need lotta help. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 3, 2003, 03:54 PM	Thread Starter #2
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	I'm very sorry for bumping, but please ANYONE, tell me which settings to modify. Sorry again. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 3, 2003, 04:03 PM	Thread Starter #4
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	SOME current settings.. (important ones) CPU External Frequency: 133MHZ Memory Frequency: 150% (Resulting Frequency: 200MHZ) DDR Reference Voltage: 2.6V CPU Vcore: 1.750V Memory Timings: Aggressive (8,4,4,3T) All available settings are on aggressive. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 3, 2003, 04:05 PM	Thread Starter #5
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	Backup my files and stuff.. yeah sure I'll go do that right now, and I'll change what you said.. but how will I know that my chip is now higher ? Like from 2100+ to 2200+ ? __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 3, 2003, 04:09 PM	#6
Roadee Never forgotten Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rest In peace, Joe. Posts: 2,198 Rep Power: 69	Shuki......are you saying that the 2100 stock clock can be changed from 13x to 14x just from inside the BIOS? I thought that the A7N8X only unlocked the processor to lower multi's and that you had to unlock the processor for that? Shoot me if I am stupid, but I am just wanting to make sure that I am getting this straight. __________________ We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.

May 3, 2003, 04:02 PM	#3
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	set multi to 14x and fsb to 143 vcore to 1.85 vDDR to 2.8 spread spectrum - disabled AGP auto not familiar with your BIOS but your mem timings are there somewhere. CAS to RAS type stuff Most important thing with OCing is your temps. Before doing anything I would do 2 things: 1. DL and install and configure motherboard monitor 5 (not asus monitor stuff but true MBM 5) so you can see even now what your idle and load cpu temps are 2. create a disk image or backup of your entire setup. that or be prepared to reinstall the OS and everything fresh after a format c: as OCing has been know on more than one occasion to completely trash the OS install...

May 3, 2003, 04:17 PM	Thread Starter #7
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	How would I know if I've OC'ed my XP2100+, will it be under My Computer > Right click, properties > AMD Athlon XPxxxx+ ? __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 3, 2003, 04:22 PM	#8
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	just a few things: 1. tek be sure you know how to clear your CMOS on that board. If you try and boot and get a black screen and fans running but no BIOS or POST, clear your CMOS which will result in reseting your BIOS to all default settings. 2. and you had better do the motherboard monitor 5 thing check your temps before you change anything! 3. Your memory should be at 100% not 150%. you want same 1:1 ratio with CPU speed 4. yes rt. click my computer -> properties will give you your speed again I am not familiar with your BIOS settings at all as I'm an abit man myself. so you'll have to sit down with your mobo manual and determine where the mem settings are (both timings and how to get it to 100% or a 1:1 cpu/ddr ratio) Roadee, I thought some revisions of that board would do it with only a BIOS update and he said he had latest. worth a try at the very least. if it does not post then he'll know to clear CMOS and come back and report

May 3, 2003, 04:27 PM	Thread Starter #9
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	Yes I know how to clear CMOS, I just backed up all my important files (I LOVE 52x burner) I'm about to install lastest version of MbM and im OFF to OC!! Yes I have latest BIOS for my revision And that 200% freq for RAM is right, cuz i Have DDR400 ram, 200x2=400 I read it in my booklet, thnx __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR] Last edited by tek; May 3, 2003 at 04:41 PM.

May 3, 2003, 04:55 PM	Thread Starter #10
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	I changed the settings you told me to change and all that happened was my monitor would not turn on, so I did the CMOS thing (reseting BIOS), ahh first try = failed, alright... whats next, got any other ideas ? I'll keep trying till I get it. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 3, 2003, 05:17 PM	Thread Starter #11
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	If you'd like to contact me that would be great MSN: impstek@msn.com __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 3, 2003, 05:29 PM	#12
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	tek, there is a little button on the bottom of each post labeled "edit" you can click that and edit your post without having to post and post and post so appears your board will not unlock the cpu for you. the easiest way then is to just leave it on 13x and raise fsb. Go ahead and set same settings as before (vcore etc) only leave the multi at 13x and set fsb to 140 see if it'll boot

May 3, 2003, 05:49 PM	Thread Starter #13
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	Ok thanks man, I thought if I hit edit you wouldnt see it because its the last post ;/ __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 3, 2003, 05:54 PM	Thread Starter #14
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	It WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm now at 1.82GHZ, ok now lets keep going, what's next, I need more What shall I change now..... Also... I set the Ram freq. shit from 150% to 100%, ima try now make it 150% when u tell me what to change next BEFORE OVERCLOCKING: AFTER OVERCLOCKING 1 TIME: Good ? __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR] Last edited by tek; May 3, 2003 at 06:01 PM.

May 3, 2003, 06:11 PM	#15
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	yes good temps... here are my settings. You should be thrown up to my speed real easy if you have good cooling. Go here slowly though... vcore: 1.8 DRAM voltage: 2.7 FSB: 200 Multi: 11 RAM timings (find it in your bios...): 6-2-2-2 and i think thats about all you need to know... dont try to get there to fast though... go slow and check your temps. thats what tells you your max speed... EDIT: ok i just read your posts... what type of core does your processor have? Either way change your mem timings still and then make your FSB 170 to match me... you shouldnt have to raise the voltage on your RAM but you will have to change the core voltage (cpu voltage) in order to stablize it... try it at 1.8 and play some high power games... if it restarts then slowly raise your voltage... Last edited by generalstupid; May 3, 2003 at 06:17 PM.

May 3, 2003, 06:21 PM	Thread Starter #16
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	I dont understand what the core of my processor is ? Can you explain it to me. And I saw your settings, it shows Freq. Multiple at 11? Am I supposed to go lower or higher cuz I'm at 13 as you know right now. My entire system info (taken from 3dmark03 and transformed into HTML) http://desue.net/ivan/system.html __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 3, 2003, 06:57 PM	#17
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	his board unlocks his chip for him so he can change his multiplier. yours is locked so you're stuck at 13x for now. See how high you can go at 13. On my kx7 (locked) I wanted the 13x multi as my GPU would not go higher than 175fsb anyhow. Stay at 13x. also, back your vcore off by about .05 in BIOS and then see what mbm 5 tells you. looks like its up closer to 1.9v which is a bit high. but temps do look good! Get it to ~1.85 in mbm5 As I said I don't have your BIOS so I don't know if 100% is actually 2x or if you need it to be 200%. Easy way to know though is when you first power up system it should display mem speed on POST screen. Well on my abits it does again not real sure about asus but hope its the same. Get vcore settled and mem speed settled as you do definitely want to be running 2x whatever fsb is set at for ddr Once thats squared away, go for 145. But remember, booting into windows does not = stable! Loop 3dmark2k1 and 2k3 a few times and run sandra mem bandwidth bench on a few burn in loops.

May 3, 2003, 07:35 PM	#18
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	unless you have a thourough bred b core for your processor (NOT a palamino) you wont be able to get up much past 1.8 GHz... but if you do have a T-Bred B like i have then you can't get up to as high as me very easily... btw shuki... i still think he doesnt need 1.85 volts on his cpu. Mine is at 1.8 and i am stable...

May 3, 2003, 09:18 PM	#19
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	you and roadee are both right about the paly/tbred core. I didn't even think paly since tbreds are so common DUH!! But tek the only way to find out is if you pull that cpu out and write down all of the info on the cpu core itself.... And General, he may well be stable at 1.8Ghz at 1.8vcore but I always just crank it pretty good and see how far we can go. We can always scale back later A bit worried though as ol tek seems to have disappeared

May 3, 2003, 10:32 PM	#20
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	what i do is try to have the lowest and most stable voltage i can have... so i will raise it if the speed is not stable and see how high i can go. I know what you mean also, i didnt think about pally's either until i thought of it... then it made so much sense... but to tek just look at the siver core on the processor... or even its color. If the core is square then it is a pally... if it is rectangle and i MEAN rectangle (not it looks like a square but it also looks like a rectangle... it either IS or it isnt...) then it is tbred- b... edit: Also shuki... i try to think of the simplist things first then work my way up when troubleshooting...

May 3, 2003, 11:44 PM	Thread Starter #21
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	Sorry to dissappear guys! I had to go to work, hehee, ehm I dont understand the square/rectangle shit... my CPU is gold on the side that goes into the motherboard.. that help any? And my FSB, how many increments shud I increase it by, 2, 5, maybe even 10? Or just by one like 140 > 141. I'll go try to decrease my VCORE as you said general or whoever it was (I dont see how it will help it) But mainly I just wanna know what the next step is.. increase FSB (by how many), increase VCORE? Thanks guys.. lets keep this going hehee. EDIT: I backed the VCORE down to 1.800, now MBM says 1.84 for core but Sensor 2 went from 49 to 50. That alright ? ALSO, I'm pretty sure my CPU is a thoroughbred because I looked on newegg.com where I bought my processor, and all they have for 2100+ is two thoroughbred processor's one retail, one OEM, mine is a retail. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR] Last edited by tek; May 4, 2003 at 12:11 AM.

May 4, 2003, 01:02 AM	Thread Starter #22
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	OK, I set FSB from 140 > 145 and my memory timings to 6-2-2-2 and my monitor would not turn on, (which means I had to clear CMOS) So I did and I set up like old settings, FSB: 140 VCORE: 1.800 MULTIPLIER: 13.0x and now I'm back to last OC which is 1824GHZ. Also I changed my DDR Freq like you said I should and now when comp is booting it shows Memory Frequency: 139 Is that OK, for 2x 256MB DDR400 (which is 512MB DDR400). EDIT: Oh yeah I also cranked fan speeds up a bit, so now temps are: [ Sensor1: 24 / Sensor2: 45 / Sensor3:29 ] __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 4, 2003, 01:44 AM	#23
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	ok then i think personally that you have a pally... the way you tell is you look at the silver piece that touches the heatsink... if it is REALLY REALLY rectangle then it is thourough bred... otherwise its pally. also i think if the plastic part of the cpu is green its thourough bred. Personally i think you really need to not overclock until you really know what you are doing. That is the simplest way to do it. That way you dont screw anything up. I think that most people will agree with me

May 4, 2003, 01:47 AM	Thread Starter #24
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	Changed Memory Freq. to 100% and when I went into system and went into game, game froze, and shut off, then when I went into CS, it was REALLY REALLY REALLY laggy, then I restart and went into BIOS changed something and then my memory was jumping up and down really fast like the memory usage was jumping 5MB every sec, it was scaring me, then I restart again, went into BIOS and I set Memory Freq. to 150% Resultingin 209MHz (I think) Now I guess everythings OK, can you just tell me what to increase now.. IF i were to increase FSB, by how much shall I do it (2, 4, 5, 10) and should I change the multiplier? EDIT: Sensor2 now at 53 __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 4, 2003, 04:17 AM	Thread Starter #25
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	Fuck, I tried playing CS and it fucks up in a sec and freezes and shit, so now I reset all my settings to old settings and CPU works fine now, CSTRIKE has no probs... WTF!! __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 4, 2003, 05:17 AM	#26
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	what brand is your ddr 400? and obviously at 400 it should have no problems running down at 280... But it very well could have been your timings. And from your numbers below, your memory does need to be 200%. If your fsb is 140 then your memory should be at 280. Being 150% and 209? is just underclocked memory. Set it to 200% even now at stock 133fsb clock and make sure it boots up at 266mhz speed. if its not mem then maybe it is heat. idle temps and under load temps are two different things. there is a "toast" test out there that you can run and monitor your temps. DL it and run it while watching mbm 5 climb. See where it goes after 5 minutes of toast. If it gets a going too hot, just close toast.

May 4, 2003, 05:19 AM	Thread Starter #27
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	I felt like trying OC again, and I guess shit works cuz I played GTAIII and it worked smoothly and with no problems Settings: FSB: 140 Multiplier: 13x Memory Frequency: 100% (139 MHz) VCORE: 1.800 VDDR: Default.. I think that was fuckin up my memory when I set it to 1.80 Seems to be working now... I'm going to try to raise the FSB by two increments and try to see changes, and I'm gonna keep doing that until something happens.. lol EDIT: If it says Memory Frequency: 139Mhz at POST is that OK? Or should THAT say 266mhz? Well my FSB is at 140 so what should my Memory Frequency be at ? __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR]

May 4, 2003, 10:01 AM	#28
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	your mem should say double your fsb at POST. so yeah, if your fsb is at 133 your mem should be 266 at POST. Right now you are underclocking your mem speed by half. Leave all the same only set mem to 200% (or whatever it takes to get it to 2x fsb rate at POST). Right now that fsb is at 140 so your mem POST rate should be at 280mhz....

May 4, 2003, 02:21 PM	Thread Starter #29
tek DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, US Posts: 2,103 Rep Power: 0	That's what I did man... I set memory freq. to 200% so it shows 280MHz IN POST, but guess what happens? Monitor dont turn on and I have to clear CMOS again.. right now it's at AUTO, which makes freq. 139MHz.. I'm stuck wit dis until somebody figures out why it cant boot when my mem. freq. is set at 280MHz. EDIT: I tried playing CSTRIKE with these settings: FSB: 140 MULTIPLIER: 13x MEM. FREQUENCY: AUTO (139MHz) VCORE: 1.800 VDDR: 1.8 And cstrike froze up and the system showed all this error text with blue bg for like half a sec then comp rebooted, I tried settings vcore higher, same shit, froze up.. now I set mem freq. to 150% (239Mhz, I think ) But now I gotta go to work... so please reply with some tips, help when I get back, thanks. __________________ [COLOR=White][/COLOR] Last edited by tek; May 4, 2003 at 02:48 PM.

May 4, 2003, 05:15 PM	#30
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	good lord... a lot of stuff happened since i was last on... my god... do you really have your ddr voltage at 1.8? if you really do which you shouldnt be able too... then you need to change that to 2.7... but you can hit 140 FSB easily with 2.6 (default)...yes put your ram to 200%... thats what we want it at. that text with the blue bg is NOT a good thing... last time i got that it took me 5 hours to get my hard drive to register... not a fun thing btw. I had to get old hard drives and put them in... format my hard drive countless times. install DDO's... ugh. I dont ever wanna do that again.Anyway you seem to have gotten out of yours ok... i can't think of anything else so we will think of more solutions as the day wears on...