ViRuS2k

here is a picture of my cpu temp my railings and vcore voltage its a asus probe picture lol
==================

Click here

my cpu is a Athlon XP 2200 +

on a asus a7v8x fsb is 168

vcore is high so it should be stable i dont get it why in the god dam is it crashing under prime95 after 4+ hours and sometimes randomly sooner.

when i encode a dvd2svcd and pick 4 or 6 pass VBR when encodeing i get the error your pass is mismatched witht he previous pass something like that ..... its like the pass numbers from befour and after dont match

but other than that my gameing and windows inviroment are stable as pie

from the picture i took above i made it when i was under prime so you could see the stress results.
the cpu is overclocked to 1.92ghz so its not exactly a big overclock also i get the impreshon that my powersupply is sucking but i cant be shure you decide.

the stuff i have in my system are..

Ati 9700 Pro 370 core 342 memory
Asus a7v8x
Liteon 52x write
Liteon DVDrom
Floppy lol
Soundblaster Soundcard
4 case Fans not inc cpu fan
Delta 60mm on a coolmaster HHC61 Heatpip Heatsink
350W powersupply.... I think its generic
===================================

shuki

you did not mention ram which I am thinking may just well be the source of your trouble.

Also, 52c idle seems high to me. Especially for an OCed rig. Could just be a heat issue. I suggest running "toast" for 5 mins while monitoring the temps and see what they climb to under full 5 minute load.

ViRuS2k

i realy dont think its anything to do witht he ram...
if you must know what it is though bro its

Cosair XMS pc2700 512 Meg 2 sticks working in Duel mode.

if i enable T1 they work in vertual mode but i get slower speeds
but if i disable t1 then seen to boost the speed a lot so i disabed that...

the timeings are.

2/2/2/6 T1 disabled /4 bank

ViRuS2k

mate you didnt read my post clearly enough.

i sead i took a snapshot of the picture under prime 95 testing. 52-54 is under load.

43 - 44c is under idel mode

48c is under gameing.

i cant see it being a heat ishue these things can run way hotter i have seem people with stable systems at higher temps than me.

shuki

but if prime crashes, its not "stable" I would up the vcore to 1.85 and if it still crashes I'd begin looking at your memory. Snag memtest86 from FAQ and run that though in DOS to test for errors. And I did misread your post earlier. 52-54c is still higher than I would run OC'ed but does not seem high enough to be causing the instability....

and as you hit on, could be your generic power supply dipping too low and dropping out. I've always read that the 5v rail should not dip below 4.89 but who knows. Lets play around with the cpu and mem (timings too btw) and see if we can get it stable before spending any $$'s

ViRuS2k

how long do you run memtest for to be pritty shure its not the memory ? also my 5v rail under stress drops bellow 4.892 and my 12v rail goes way ober 13.254 i also get red lines on my 12v rail like its overpowered but i cant be shure. my vcore at the moment is 1.8v it should be stable at that i dont get it also if i have my cpu at defaults and up the fsb i have to pump more vcore to get stable why ? i didnt think the vcore had anything to do with the fsb i thought it was just for cpu stability ?

shuki

I would let it work through all tests once (about 15 minutes +/- I think) and see if it gives you any errors.
and yes, seems to me that your PSU is goes pretty far out of spec and COULD be the source of trouble though there are other things to try first.
you say your cpu is at defaults but default is a 133 fsb. if you want to run it faster that means it simply needs more juice to do so. As I said before, if your temps are OK (though I personally would NOT trust asus probe and would DL, install and configure motherboard monitor 5) then increase the vcore to 1.85. And vcore has everything to do with CPU stability as your OC goes higher. The faster you push it the more power it needs to remain stable.

ViRuS2k

ok i will run the mem test later and post back with results, and i was meaning if i bump up the fsb and keep the multi down so the fsb is at about 166 and the multi was at 10.5 or something so the cpu runs at 1800 DEFAULT and the fsb is higher only then my question is why would the system need more vcore if the cpu is at its defaulted speed ??????????? asus probe has been fixed my MBM5 and asus probe give the same readings so i remained to use asus becuse its less configureable on the temps monitors. ok ill report back later, though i realy think it its my PSU thats at fault.

generalstupid

personally i say it is a heat issue... hold off on the overclocking until you get some really good cooling. Because you really do have some high temps for such a meager overclock...

ViRuS2k

well know i dunno whats going on LOL i just ran prime 95 under tourcher test and its just finaly crashed on me after been running for over 7 hours (7 hours 37 minutes 38seconds) to be precise AHHHH this is pissing me off why crash now after so menny hours HMMM

shuki

go to a local brick and mortar retailer and buy a good solid PSU and bring it home and try it out with all same settings. If it works then you know thats the problem. If not, then you can always return the new PSU. Did you run the memtest86 from DOS?

shai

over 6 hours is fine so you should be ok

ViRuS2k

shai thx for the confidence lol but i still got a few test to run ------ Shuki i will post back soon with the mem test results as for your psu idea i may have to do that becuse i get the feeling my initioal thought was that very thing :/

ViRuS2k

Well i did the memtest test on my memory today i ran it for over 2 hours and i didnt get no errors
so i ruled out the memory as a problem.

i ran prime95 and it crashed after 7 hours + Some people say that its pritty much stable after 6-7 hours. but its clearly not the case in my situation.

here is a picture of the problem im getting in DVD2SVCD useing Cinema craft Encoder v2.50

Click Me

as you can see its a mismatch calculation errors im getting so its definatly a cpu problem and not a memory probelm.

it could be my CPU isnt getting enough juice for the overclock im doing. to me i think its a Weak generic 350W P.O.S i have but i will let you decide.


===============================================


on a side note that has nothing to do with this i have another problem i watch a lot of dvd movies on my pc and i cant for some reason turn on HARDWARE ACCEL, in powerDVD when i turn it on and start to watch a movie the screen goes Green and then my pc crashes lol but with it off it works........ whats the problem here then.

ViRuS2k

Well i did the memtest test on my memory today i ran it for over 2 hours and i didnt get no errors
so i ruled out the memory as a problem.

i ran prime95 and it crashed after 7 hours + Some people say that its pritty much stable after 6-7 hours. but its clearly not the case in my situation.

here is a picture of the problem im getting in DVD2SVCD useing Cinema craft Encoder v2.50

Click Me

as you can see its a mismatch calculation errors im getting so its definatly a cpu problem and not a memory probelm.

it could be my CPU isnt getting enough juice for the overclock im doing. to me i think its a Weak generic 350W P.O.S i have but i will let you decide.


===============================================


on a side note that has nothing to do with this i have another problem i watch a lot of dvd movies on my pc and i cant for some reason turn on HARDWARE ACCEL, in powerDVD when i turn it on and start to watch a movie the screen goes Green and then my pc crashes lol but with it off it works........ whats the problem here then.

ViRuS2k

Well i did the memtest test on my memory today i ran it for over 2 hours and i didnt get no errors
so i ruled out the memory as a problem.

i ran prime95 and it crashed after 7 hours + Some people say that its pritty much stable after 6-7 hours. but its clearly not the case in my situation.

here is a picture of the problem im getting in DVD2SVCD useing Cinema craft Encoder v2.50

Click Me

as you can see its a mismatch calculation errors im getting so its definatly a cpu problem and not a memory probelm.

it could be my CPU isnt getting enough juice for the overclock im doing.

shuki

well knocks the memory ? out of the equation
Does it crash at same spot on prime each time?
that pic of checksum error does not necessarily look like its OC related at all. In fact, if you jump down to all default clocks do you still get the same error?
and for prime crash maybe, MAYBE PSU, but not for this encode error. at least that is my opinion... Do try and go back to 133fsb and stock volts on mem and vcore and see if it works.

and no need to triple post

ViRuS2k

mate could you tell me what my default clocks are for my 2200+ please ? i know the fsb is 133 but whats the multi ? 12.5 ???? after you post with the answer ill post back and tell ya if thats what the problem was i think it is becuse im overclocking the cpu but i got realy good fps in games and also my windows enviroment is stable as pie hmmm also about eh powerdvd question i asked do ya have any info on that ?

Nuke209

i dont suggest encoding with your system oc'd, my tmpgenc movies came out all F****

__________________
2006 Subaru Impreza WRX

shuki

default for xp2200 is 13.5x133 for 1.8Ghz
I sure do remember reading something about powerdvd, ATI and that box enabled somewhere just can NOT remember where Might consider starting a seperate thead on it in either the tech forum (powerDVD) or the ATI drivers forum. Have you tried it with different drivers too on a clean driver install (ie driver cleaner program found here on front page)?

ViRuS2k

Mate i didnt need to install new drivers it was a fresh winxp pro install with fresh omega 3.2 cats. anyway thx for the help so far ill report back with default speed to see if i still get errors encodeing.

WyreTheWolf

If you overclock is not stable (as many people here have already stated) you will need better cooling, move power to the cpu, maybe uping your voltage to the vdd, slow your memory timings... I have found that the Corsair XMS series stuff wont run on really agressive timings unless you feed it a lot of voltage.... so, feed it some voltage, get your timings down a bit... or you can lower your overall overclocked speed. Good Luck!

shuki

Possibly the conflict in powerDVD is with Omegas drivers ?? who knows? I was merely suggesting that you try different driver sets by putting each one on cleanly. Not a clean OS install each time but I meant something like this process:
1. Download and install Driver Cleaner (link on front DH page on left)
2. Remove all ATI/Nvidia stuff from add/remove programs but don't reboot
3. unplug nic
4. reboot
5. run driver cleaner program selecting ATI or Nvidia whichever applies
6. reboot
7. install latest official catalyst drivers and control panel (or driver of choice)
8. reboot
9. plug back in nic

anyhow, for best results you really should keep this particular software issue in another separate thread for best results.... also, once you clock down to 13.5x133 give powerDVD a go and see what happens. My initial feeling is that both of these errors are not OC related at all...

ViRuS2k

thx guys for your help again hehe what a great community

ok i fixed the powerDVD problem

Hardware Information :
Processor: AMD Athlon(TM) XP running at 1869 MHz
3DNow! Technology : In Use
Enhanced 3DNow! Technology : In Use
3DNow! Professional Technology : In Use
IA MMX Technology : In Use
IA Streaming SIMD Extensions : In Use
IA SSE 2 : Not Detected
Video Accelerator : ATI Hardware Video Acceleration (in use)
Multispeakers Audio Device : Creative CT5880 (not in use)
SPDIF Output Device : Creative CT5880 (not in use)
======================

all i did to fix it was update the powerdvd to version PDVDxp4_Patch_2417.exe and it worked perfectly

as you can see i down clocked my cpu to 1869mhz

i used a program called AIDA32 and it gave me some info

Sensor Properties
Sensor Type Asus ASB100 Bach
Sensor Access SMBus 2Dh

Temperatures
Motherboard 30 °C (86 °F)
CPU 60 °C (140 °F)
CPU Diode 43 °C (109 °F)
Aux 14 °C (57 °F)

Cooling Fans
CPU 7670 RPM

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.84 V
CPU Aux 1.82 V
+3.3 V 3.28 V
+5 V 5.00 V
+12 V 13.57 V
-12 V -13.41 V
-5 V -5.08 V


now why is it saying my cpu is 60c idle ???? and the diode is 43c ?????

in asus probe it says my cpu is 43c ????? shouldnt the DIODE be higher than the cpu temp ?

i mean shouldnt the diode be 60c and the cpu be 43c ?


this is all very confuseing lol im gonna double check tonight to make shure what my temps are properly becuse from various programs im getting mixed results.

do any of you guys have a ASUS a7v8x temp sensor info for mbm5 ? so i can get correct readings ?

shuki

Virus, do us a favor and lets work on things here one step at a time. Have you clocked back down to stock, default speeds and tried your encoding??? Please try that next step.

sorry, I have zero info on asus sensors for mbm5. Though as I said before, I have a lot of confidence in mbm5 and would do use it as my default temp/volts/fan info proggy. Who knows what temp/diode thing that "AIDA32" came up with... trust mbm5 But CLOCK BACK DOWN and try the encode thing

ViRuS2k

ok mate ill try that . i have a probelm though i unlocked my cpu with the wire trick and i cant seem to post when i change the multi to 13.5 the only high multi i can get to is 12.5 and anything under that.... i will have to take the wire off to get higher multi`s dam means takeing the cpu out of the socket lol is there any other settings to get default i can use rather than take the wire off ?

shuki

nah don't worry about an underclock. Just set it to 12.5x133 and see if it encodes alright...

ViRuS2k

mate looks like i will have to remove the wire as if i pick 12.5x133 it gives me 1666mhz

its underclocks me by a big margin.

should i keep it at 12.5 multi and up the fsb untill its close to my 1800 default speeds ?

if so then what do you suggest i put the vcore and DDR voltages to ?

shuki

an underclock is fine. I would leave the wire and underclock it to 12.5x133 and just see what happens with the encode thing.

and what wire method did you use to unlock? on the cpu or in the cpu socket?

On my kx7 xp2100 combo I decided NOT to unlock it at all. By default it went to the 13 divider and then I just proceeded to up the fsb to around 180 (highest my r9700 liked ). If I were you, once we get this encode thing sorted (which I'm still not convinced is OC related at all) then I would leave my multi on the highest it will go (for me it was with no wire no nothing) and then up the fsb.

anyhow, underclock it to 12.5x133 (vcore and vdimm default, 1.75 and 2.6 will be fine) and try encoding.

edit - alternative wire trick if you've not seen it...

Take a speaker wire, or any wire. You need a single tiny strand of wire being less than 1cm long. Bend it in U-shape and drop it nicely into the holes shown below. Put the CPU in and ready to boom...

ViRuS2k

Mate thats the wire trick that i did hehe it was put into the socket :P

ok i fixed it for some reason it encodes perfect now i took the wire out and put everything to default includeing vcore i left my vcard voltage at 1.7v and i put my ram at 1.65v

13.5x133 and everything seems to work perfect im even more stable aswell i can work with my pc surfing the net listning to music and also encodeing all at the same time........

this leads me to beleave its a overclocking ishue or its a psu being pushed to its limits ishue.........

well i would like to thank you for all your help you have been great.

now i need to figure out if it was due to the overclock or psu hmmm hehe trouble shooting your system is hard work and takes time. the cinda time i dont have hehe.