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Old Jan 15, 2009, 12:18 PM   #1
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It's better to overvolt your CPU when overclocking to more than required because the cpu won't overheat unless it's using those volts so even if you go over the normal or (recommended voltage line it's ok because like I said before those volts won't be used unless the clocks can match them. It is also better to have more than not enough. Of course don't go stupid because remember Intel don't recommend overclocking beyond normal design specs. So overvolt enough just not too much. I'd say for a E7300 VTT 1.4V, NB 1.4V V Core 1.4V. Thankyou and good luck. Don't go frying those boards now. Also remember about the voltages, you'll need the extra voltage for stability or Windows won't respond well.

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Re: Does this sound right?

Mmmkay lack of punctuation, my lungs are screaming for air lol.
Well kinda and no, overclock until your system because unstable at stock voltage then put the voltage up a little bit so it can maintain stability.
Increasing voltage also increases the amount of heat your CPU Will output so make sure cooling's all sorted before you begin.
Also Intel don't even recommend installing their cpus without a "Professional" let alone overclock. lol
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Mmmkay lack of punctuation, my lungs are screaming for air lol.
Well kinda and no, overclock until your system because unstable at stock voltage then put the voltage up a little bit so it can maintain stability.
Increasing voltage also increases the amount of heat your CPU Will output so make sure cooling's all sorted before you begin.
Also Intel don't even recommend installing their cpus without a "Professional" let alone overclock. lol
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Re: Does this sound right?

volts are volts. technically voltage isn't used. current is(ie...amps, mili amps) what is doing the work. the higher voltage allows more current draw. the 2 byproducts of electricity are magnetism and heat. electrically P=EI(Power<watts>=Voltage times Current. i'm not sure however, watts is broken down thermally . and electronics do have a threshold of voltages it may handle without failure. that would be an important number to dig up just to make sure you don't exceed it. also know that over volting any electrical device will exponentially reduce it's lifespan.
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Re: Does this sound right?

I was recommended in another thread to keep the voltages down and I'd still be able to acheive my desired overclock. After some practice it worked so I was happy. They also said that too high a voltages will damage the system.
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Re: Does this sound right?

Yep over time unless you are running liquid nitrogen or something like the guys buddy in that other thread (E8600@2V is crazy lol). Just going from memory when I looked up the maximum voltage for the E7300 is like 1.35V or something which you exceeded to achieve your O/C initially. This is the threshold NUCLEARWINTER was referring too I am sure in his post.

(And of course heat comes into play as well depending on the cooling used)
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Re: Does this sound right?

1.35V safely should allow for a max clock of about 3.6-3.8GHz a think. So to play it safe I should probably look at that as Max for now on air cooling I think.
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Re: Does this sound right?

Here is the spec sheet on it Bro just for your reference. Even 1.4 was reasonable 1.5 was a bit much on air.

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Thanks. Checking it out now.
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My guess is that 74.1c is max before damage kicks in. Like the fire and explosions and meltdowns and what not?
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Re: Does this sound right?

I think that is an absolute maximum I would try and stay at least 15C lower even for short benchmarking runs.
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Re: Does this sound right?

when they speak of this temp, do they mean the external sensor or the internal (individual core temps) ones?
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Re: Does this sound right?

Not sure on that and the reason why I made my response as general as possible.
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Re: Does this sound right?

These are the latest results from my 3.5GHz overclock. Barely at 55c.
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Still higher than I would want and shows error detected after only 6 minutes which means it was unstable ...
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So more VCore? I didn't actually notice the error message. Does it mean it's now fried??
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Re: Does this sound right?

No Bro it means the test failed because the O/C was unstable. I trust this app for testing stability even more than prime.

What was your Vcore on that test? (Should be in the graph sets as results)
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Ok. I'm now gonna quit yet. Gotta keep at it to get it right.
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It's better to overvolt your CPU when overclocking to more than required because the cpu won't overheat unless it's using those volts so even if you go over the normal or (recommended voltage line it's ok because like I said before those volts won't be used unless the clocks can match them. It is also better to have more than not enough. Of course don't go stupid because remember Intel don't recommend overclocking beyond normal design specs. So overvolt enough just not too much. I'd say for a E7300 VTT 1.4V, NB 1.4V V Core 1.4V. Thankyou and good luck. Don't go frying those boards now. Also remember about the voltages, you'll need the extra voltage for stability or Windows won't respond well.
Being that the E7300 is a 45nm part follow these basic guidelines if you want to ensure the safety of the processor when overclocking

Vcore- Try not to exceed 1.35v (only do so if you have expendable income, or better cooling than Air)

Vtt - Do not exceed 1.4v (this is an upper limit, and should be adjusted accordingly when dealing with CPU GTL REFS if present)

PLL - Do not go above 1.55v in BIOS, it has very little effect on overclocking 45nms.


And as far as the bozo's that overclock by setting absurd amounts of Vcore and calling it stable (the guys that say overvolting beyond what is needed for desired OC), they have flawed logic.

More Vcore will always increase the amount of heat dissipation needed regardless of whether or not the chip is using it, and higher Vcore increases the possibility for electron migration that could "degrade" the chip.

Only use the amount of voltage needed for the overclock you want, alot of times Vcore can be lowered when other voltages are tuned properly.

And as far as stability testing?

Orthos/Prime95/OCCT use the following 3 methods

Small FFT - is used usually to find the lowest possible Vcore and Vtt and stability when tuning CPU GTLs. This has no effect on the subsystems (NB/RAM/ETC)

Large FFT - is used to test the Chipset/Memory Controller/NB GTL/RAM (if applicable)

Blend - Is a little of Large and Small FFTs used to test the system in a somewhat "real world situation" however it should only be run after the other 2 tests pass.

Linpack* - Is excellent for max thermals, as well as overall system torture. This is actually an absurd amount of work that a computer wouldnt normally ever do, it can cause BSODs in windows because of how aggressive it is (especially systems running Vista/7 with SuperFetch because it uses an enormous amount of RAM to test). *Linpack is used by Intel for stress testing their chips.

However in some instances it can detect instability that the other 3 tests up top do not normally detect.

Memtest86/Memtest 86+ - It should be noted that this actually is not a valid stress test for your system. It should only be used for detecting memory errors stemming from incorrect latencies or faulty modules.


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Re: Does this sound right?

Great advise ChaosMinionX I don't own a 45nM processor but the same rules of common sense apply. Been saying similar things throughout the thread but you summed it up nicely

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Thanks for the help. Guys I will keep the Volts down. I told my bro in law about my 4GHz overclock and showed him "the plaque", needless to say I think he was impressed. It would of had to have been otherwise would have expressed lesser interest than he did. Liked the case though. With my OC experience and my CPU I conclude that OCing a E 7300 maxxes out at 3.6GHz according to F.E.A.R graphics tests. 3DMark06 - 3.2GHz - 3.4GHz - 10003DMark increase. 3.6GHz - 4.0GHz - 4143DMark increase.
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Cool stuff Bro and the coolest thing is this is something that has no end ... you can keep modding and tweaking all you want
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Re: Does this sound right?

I'm sorry for highjacking the thread, but I have a similar question regarding overclocking.
I have my E6600 on 3.2Ghz. Stable as far as I know on 400x8 to keep my ram on a 1:1 ratio. This is on 1.3V according to cpu-z.
What voltage tweaking can be done to stabilize the oc even more..?
I'm guessing tweaking the northbridge (and southbridge too?) and what other things do you suggest?

I am not sure what the stock voltages are as everything was on auto by default, and a search on internet didn't give me anything conclusive about the stockvoltages.
I would love to get the Vcore down a bit, although heat isn't a big problem at the moment -> cpu doesn't get warmer then about 55 degrees Celsius.
But lower is always better, and if it can be achieved I'd like to do so.
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No worries man always fun to experiment with stuff. Lets start with the CPU specs like I did with Frank so we know the CPU limitations.
(As far as I can find on google the stock voltage is 1.2375V)

Intel® Core?2 Duo Desktop Processor E6600 - SL9S8

Your running an ASUS board like I am now and to be honest I am still getting used to it. I have yet to achieve the stable overclocks I did with my Gigabyte board. Increasing the NB a bit is going to help because the memory controller and PCI-E buses for video run through this.

Two things I found on both my Intel 775 builds is check to make sure your RAM is set to the voltage recommended by the manufacturer. A lot of manufacturers like OCZ and Corsair don't use the standard DDR2 1.8V but the mobo will set it to that by default.

I will have a look at you BIOS when I have some more time hope this helps a bit I am certainly no expert
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Re: Does this sound right?

From what I've been told. You have to adjust the VCore, NB and VTT to achieve the most stable Overclock. From my experience you have to experiemnt with your CPU to get the voltages right. I found that adjusting the NB to the positive side of the VCore voltage acheived a solid overclock. The VTT I found needed to be adjusted incrementally to the VCore and NB as I went up in clocks. Basically adjust the VTT up a bit at a time on a small ratio to the VCore and NB. EG: VCore 1.2 - 1.35 NB 1.2 - 1.35, VTT 1.15 - 1.2. The VTT I feel is used to stablize the VCore overclock and acts as a shield and safety barrier to protect from spikes. At first my guess was to adjust the VTT to an equal ratio to the VCore, but I found that with extreme overclocking capability it was not necessary. I hope this guide serves you well Sir!
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Re: Does this sound right?

VCore and NB at the same voltage.. are you sure?
well.. I guess that can work.. I'll try it out.
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Re: Does this sound right?

The NB and Vcore voltages are going to vary depending on the CPU and chipset you have ... for example my E6550 has a default voltage of 1.35V but I often run it at 1.4V O/Cing. As far as the NB voltages stick to increments of 0.05 or 0.1V and monitor temps until you find a sweet spot.

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Re: Does this sound right?

If you find that you can't get into Windows with that setting put the NB up just a bit higher than the VCore.
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Re: Does this sound right?

The Vcore has no relation to the NB voltage as the Vcore is dependent on the CPU used as is the NB voltage on the chipset used. Both voltages can be increased in percentages based on there initial values.
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