if i bought a watercooling setup.....

**kris23** · Oct 21, 2009, 06:42 AM

what would you guys think of a setup based with these:

D-TEK FuZion V1 CPU Block for Intel Socket 775

Swiftech MCR420-QP Quiet Power 4X120mm - Black

Swiftech MCRES Micro Revision 2 reservoir

Swiftech MCP655-B 12v DC Pump w/Tach Sensor

im trying to go for maximum cooling for a reasonable amount of moneys.... not trying to get benchmark breaking stuff.... but i want something just a few degrees short of it.......

is there any value in going with say...... a ThermoChill 120.4 Rad and a swiftech Apogee XT block compared to what i listed?

since ill would be spending 2x on the rad and 2x on the block if i do....

**kris23** · Oct 22, 2009, 04:26 AM

almost 24 hours and no one huh?

well im pretty confident in what i have chosen.... in terms of performance to the dollar

ill probably get it sometime after i upgrade to better GPUs....

Rizen · Oct 22, 2009, 06:38 AM

not sure if it will help but i used This to help pick my cpu waterblock. I ended up going with the Enzotech Sapphire Rev. A because of the top performers it was the cheapest ( $35 on newegg ). now for the rad i am no expert however i would imagine the swiftech would be fine for a cpu and a video card, maybe a little more rad than you would need (probably gonna suck trying to mount that huge thing though). I hope that helps a bit.

Edit : I would not go with the D-tek fuzion V1 since the V2 out performs it by a good margin for not much more money.

**kris23** · Oct 22, 2009, 02:56 PM

sapphire Rev. A looks awesome for the price.....

procupine14 · Oct 22, 2009, 08:16 PM

Sorry I didn't catch this earlier. Those components would be great for your setup IMO. I know I love Swiftech products seeing as those are the only rads I will use.

Honestly, the D-Tek block you picked is probably your best bang for the buck along those lines. As far as the reservoir goes I would make sure you pay attention to the type of fluid you use with it. I had one of those and used some different types of fluid over the course of owning it and one of the types started cracking the reservoir at the seams. It started leaking just a tiny bit and then I have to pitch it and replace it with a bay reservoir which I like for the convenience with adding fluid over time you know?

Judas · Oct 22, 2009, 10:31 PM

To put honestly..

I can't help but get a little excited at the thought of going with a liquid cooling solution and then i emediately lose that excitement because of the sheer amount of possible problems and complications as well as maintenence required to have such a solution.

Personally i'm still looking very closely at the Coolit domino just to try.... but i just can't bring myself to use water/liquid cooling on any my machine i use personally and DEFINITELY not for my customers.

**kris23** · Nov 5, 2009, 12:42 AM

well...... i have purchased the

MCR420-QP Rad.....

4 Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000RPM fans....

Micro-Res Rev.2

and RadBox Rev.1

but im still trying to decide whether to buy the MCP655-B pump or to just get a powerful aquarium pump.... i can easily get ones with more head pressure and much more flow for less....

Aquarium Water Movement: ViaAqua Water Pumps

i can get those for a few dollars a piece....

the radiator is setup and mounted to my case with the Ultra Kaze fans blowing at full blast.... its actually not that disturbing even though its loud... but im going to buy a fan controller for it anyway.... more air is being pushed through my Rad than my room fan circulates through my room!

procupine14 · Nov 5, 2009, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

To put honestly..

I can't help but get a little excited at the thought of going with a liquid cooling solution and then i emediately lose that excitement because of the sheer amount of possible problems and complications as well as maintenence required to have such a solution.

First off, you are correct about the problems considering you may have seen my post with my blackened 4850. However, I've only ever had one leak the entire time ive been doing LCS's and either I'm really lucky or there isn't that much clear and present danger with the systems as long as you run them awhile before using them to get eveything seated.

As far as maintenance goes I hardly ever touch my system at all. It doesn't lose enough cooling be it evaporation or what have you to make me have to add any coolant. I guess the end of the story is that if you upgrade your components even every 6 months you actually end up taking it apart and re routing it before it actually needs maintenance.

@chris

well if you can find an aquarium pump and it will perform almost the same as ths water cooling pump go with the aquarium one. Basically the only thing is you need to make sure the flow rate isn't too high. Otherwise, the water will not spend a sufficient amount of time going through your waterblock and actually lose efficiency.....that's my problem right now with my new block.....still trying to find the happy medium on the flow rates.

**kris23** · Nov 6, 2009, 04:15 AM

lol i can get a 1000+ GPH pump with 10+ foot head pressure for a bit over 30 bucks...

should be good

Optix · Nov 10, 2009, 02:34 AM

Water plus electronics is skeery!

Mmm...

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**kris23** · Nov 10, 2009, 04:40 AM

lawl.....

well the system is officially up!

heres the COMPLETE list of components and parts related to this system......

MCR420-QP Radiator
Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000RPM fans x4
Swiftech Microres Rev.2
Swiftech RadBox Rev.1 x2
Enzotech Sapphire Block
Lamptron FC-2 Fan Controller
Shin-Etsu X23-7783D Thermal Compound
Via-Aqua 2600 2800 liter/h x2 (one in loop right now but 2nd will be added for more head pressure as soon as i figure out how to mount both of the huge things..... redundancy is good)
Several Feet of Silicone tubing from hospital
Albertson's Distilled Water 2 gallons

more stuff is on the way..... finishing touches UV lights, antimicrobial coolant additive..

this project has costed me quite a bit of moneys..... sheesh...... as long as i have enoough money for a new GPU.... im happy

**kris23** · Nov 10, 2009, 04:49 AM

as for the performance of the system, im more than happy.....

my idle temps before are now my load temps and my new idle temps are room temp usually....... very nice...... getting 40-45C load and 24-28C idle on a mild OC is just amazing...

its also so quiet thanks to the fan controller..... i can even turn off all the fans without issue for extended periods of time....

i never knew silence like this and i can definitely say that silence is golden in this case...

SeraphicSorcerer · Nov 10, 2009, 05:29 AM

I want to do a water cooling setup, but I'm afraid of killing multiple parts HELP ME hehe

**kris23** · Nov 10, 2009, 05:47 AM

go out and buy the highest quality parts you can get your hands on and put it together taking special care with leaks......

i already knew the basics of this sort of thing and have worked with powerful pumps in aquariums....... so i knew how to deal with potential leaks in my system.......

teflon tape.... hose clamps, a watchful eye.... and toilet paper, though i didnt need it in this case.

basically you want a radiator (get a swiftech, cheap and reputable, be sure to get some barbs and clamps for it as it most likely wont have em)

fans for the Rad (i would recommend scythe slipstream fans for this thing)

a waterblock (for CPUs, the Enzotech Sapphire is the best value ever)

a pump (i really recommend an MCP655-B for simplicity's sake, i only used aquarium pumps as im well acquainted with them and know what i need to get them to work for my purpose)

a reservoir (swiftech micro-res Rev.2 most common res on the market)

tubing (go with tygon, primochill or clearflex as its flexible and durable, i used silicone as its what i had free access to. i will eventually change it for some better tubing at some point myself)

then you'll need coolant, i used distilled water, you will need an antimicrobial coolant additive for it if you go that route to keep it clean. Pentosin G11 antifreeze works

Oct 21, 2009, 06:42 AM	#1
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	if i bought a watercooling setup..... what would you guys think of a setup based with these: D-TEK FuZion V1 CPU Block for Intel Socket 775 Swiftech MCR420-QP Quiet Power 4X120mm - Black Swiftech MCRES Micro Revision 2 reservoir Swiftech MCP655-B 12v DC Pump w/Tach Sensor im trying to go for maximum cooling for a reasonable amount of moneys.... not trying to get benchmark breaking stuff.... but i want something just a few degrees short of it....... is there any value in going with say...... a ThermoChill 120.4 Rad and a swiftech Apogee XT block compared to what i listed? since ill would be spending 2x on the rad and 2x on the block if i do.... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Oct 22, 2009, 04:26 AM	Thread Starter #2
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	Re: if i bought a watercooling setup..... almost 24 hours and no one huh? well im pretty confident in what i have chosen.... in terms of performance to the dollar ill probably get it sometime after i upgrade to better GPUs.... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Oct 22, 2009, 06:38 AM	#3
Rizen DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: if i bought a watercooling setup..... not sure if it will help but i used This to help pick my cpu waterblock. I ended up going with the Enzotech Sapphire Rev. A because of the top performers it was the cheapest ( $35 on newegg ). now for the rad i am no expert however i would imagine the swiftech would be fine for a cpu and a video card, maybe a little more rad than you would need (probably gonna suck trying to mount that huge thing though). I hope that helps a bit. Edit : I would not go with the D-tek fuzion V1 since the V2 out performs it by a good margin for not much more money. Last edited by Rizen; Oct 22, 2009 at 06:56 AM.

Oct 22, 2009, 02:56 PM	Thread Starter #4
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	Re: if i bought a watercooling setup..... sapphire Rev. A looks awesome for the price..... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Oct 22, 2009, 08:16 PM	#5
procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 56 System Specs	Re: if i bought a watercooling setup..... Sorry I didn't catch this earlier. Those components would be great for your setup IMO. I know I love Swiftech products seeing as those are the only rads I will use. Honestly, the D-Tek block you picked is probably your best bang for the buck along those lines. As far as the reservoir goes I would make sure you pay attention to the type of fluid you use with it. I had one of those and used some different types of fluid over the course of owning it and one of the types started cracking the reservoir at the seams. It started leaking just a tiny bit and then I have to pitch it and replace it with a bay reservoir which I like for the convenience with adding fluid over time you know? __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

Nov 5, 2009, 12:42 AM	Thread Starter #7
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	Re: if i bought a watercooling setup..... well...... i have purchased the MCR420-QP Rad..... 4 Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000RPM fans.... Micro-Res Rev.2 and RadBox Rev.1 but im still trying to decide whether to buy the MCP655-B pump or to just get a powerful aquarium pump.... i can easily get ones with more head pressure and much more flow for less.... Aquarium Water Movement: ViaAqua Water Pumps i can get those for a few dollars a piece.... the radiator is setup and mounted to my case with the Ultra Kaze fans blowing at full blast.... its actually not that disturbing even though its loud... but im going to buy a fan controller for it anyway.... more air is being pushed through my Rad than my room fan circulates through my room! __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 6, 2009, 04:15 AM	Thread Starter #9
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	Re: if i bought a watercooling setup..... lol i can get a 1000+ GPH pump with 10+ foot head pressure for a bit over 30 bucks... should be good __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 10, 2009, 04:40 AM	Thread Starter #11
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	Re: if i bought a watercooling setup..... lawl..... well the system is officially up! heres the COMPLETE list of components and parts related to this system...... MCR420-QP Radiator Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000RPM fans x4 Swiftech Microres Rev.2 Swiftech RadBox Rev.1 x2 Enzotech Sapphire Block Lamptron FC-2 Fan Controller Shin-Etsu X23-7783D Thermal Compound Via-Aqua 2600 2800 liter/h x2 (one in loop right now but 2nd will be added for more head pressure as soon as i figure out how to mount both of the huge things..... redundancy is good) Several Feet of Silicone tubing from hospital Albertson's Distilled Water 2 gallons more stuff is on the way..... finishing touches UV lights, antimicrobial coolant additive.. this project has costed me quite a bit of moneys..... sheesh...... as long as i have enoough money for a new GPU.... im happy __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 10, 2009, 04:49 AM	Thread Starter #12
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	Re: if i bought a watercooling setup..... as for the performance of the system, im more than happy..... my idle temps before are now my load temps and my new idle temps are room temp usually....... very nice...... getting 40-45C load and 24-28C idle on a mild OC is just amazing... its also so quiet thanks to the fan controller..... i can even turn off all the fans without issue for extended periods of time.... i never knew silence like this and i can definitely say that silence is golden in this case... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 10, 2009, 05:29 AM	#13
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 154 System Specs	Re: if i bought a watercooling setup..... I want to do a water cooling setup, but I'm afraid of killing multiple parts HELP ME hehe __________________

Nov 10, 2009, 05:47 AM	Thread Starter #14
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	Re: if i bought a watercooling setup..... go out and buy the highest quality parts you can get your hands on and put it together taking special care with leaks...... i already knew the basics of this sort of thing and have worked with powerful pumps in aquariums....... so i knew how to deal with potential leaks in my system....... teflon tape.... hose clamps, a watchful eye.... and toilet paper, though i didnt need it in this case. basically you want a radiator (get a swiftech, cheap and reputable, be sure to get some barbs and clamps for it as it most likely wont have em) fans for the Rad (i would recommend scythe slipstream fans for this thing) a waterblock (for CPUs, the Enzotech Sapphire is the best value ever) a pump (i really recommend an MCP655-B for simplicity's sake, i only used aquarium pumps as im well acquainted with them and know what i need to get them to work for my purpose) a reservoir (swiftech micro-res Rev.2 most common res on the market) tubing (go with tygon, primochill or clearflex as its flexible and durable, i used silicone as its what i had free access to. i will eventually change it for some better tubing at some point myself) then you'll need coolant, i used distilled water, you will need an antimicrobial coolant additive for it if you go that route to keep it clean. Pentosin G11 antifreeze works __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!