Memory Frequency

0rgasmatron · Oct 15, 2010, 12:43 PM

Hello and nice to meet you all!
I dont know if this is the correct section of the forum to ask but anyway....
For some wierd resson my pc runs my memories on low frequency (535.1mhz)
nowhere close to what it suppose to be (1600mhz)
Does any can give me a hand to fix this?
My pc specs are under my user name!
Thank you and appreciate your help!

IvanV · Oct 15, 2010, 01:22 PM

Actually, more or less, all is well.

Effective memory frequency is twice what CPU-Z reports, in your case that's 1070MHz (pretty much one of the standard DDR3 speeds, 1066MHz).

Now, your memory is designed to run at up to 1600MHz effectively, but, if the info I have is correct, then the controller on Phenom II X6s don't support that speed (kind of sucks, but it's the same with Intel i7 920 for example).

However, it should support effective DDR3 1333MHz speed (which is what CPU-Z would report as 667MHz or something like that) and you should be able to select that speed in BIOS (either 1333 or 667, whatever your BIOS lists as an option). There could be a snag, though, I'm not sure if the memory controller can support the maximum speed when all 4 slots are used (and I'm guessing that you have 4 x 2GB), so getting above the current speed might not be possible.

0rgasmatron · Oct 15, 2010, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IvanV

Actually, more or less, all is well.

Effective memory frequency is twice what CPU-Z reports, in your case that's 1070MHz (pretty much one of the standard DDR3 speeds, 1066MHz).

Now, your memory is designed to run at up to 1600MHz effectively, but, if the info I have is correct, then the controller on Phenom II X6s don't support that speed (kind of sucks, but it's the same with Intel i7 920 for example).

However, it should support effective DDR3 1333MHz speed (which is what CPU-Z would report as 667MHz or something like that) and you should be able to select that speed in BIOS (either 1333 or 667, whatever your BIOS lists as an option). There could be a snag, though, I'm not sure if the memory controller can support the maximum speed when all 4 slots are used (and I'm guessing that you have 4 x 2GB), so getting above the current speed might not be possible.

I went through the bios and on my extreme memory profile had already the default settings of the ram as 9-9-9-24 and at auto voltage 1.654 memory recoments anyway 1.65V.Just by accepting that i came out with this

Do you think it ll be stable or i need to go back to where it was?

blibbax · Oct 15, 2010, 02:00 PM

What Ivan said

CPU-Z reports the base memory speed, as you're running DDR3 Memory (Double Data Rate 3, get it?

) you get twice what it advertises.

Just to add though, as long as it's not super slow (which yours isn't) memory frequency isn't massivley important. Obviously it helps, and you will get more increase from increasing memory speed, but nothing in the same league as you would see from a similar increase in CPU speed, for example.

If you want to get a bit more out of your memory, given that it is running at lower speeds, you could always try bringing the timings down a notch

EDIT: You replied at the same time as me. Yes I think it'll be stable, but run prime 95 to be sure.

0rgasmatron · Oct 15, 2010, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blibbax

What Ivan said

CPU-Z reports the base memory speed, as you're running DDR3 Memory (Double Data Rate 3, get it?

) you get twice what it advertises.

Just to add though, as long as it's not super slow (which yours isn't) memory frequency isn't massivley important. Obviously it helps, and you will get more increase from increasing memory speed, but nothing in the same league as you would see from a similar increase in CPU speed, for example.

If you want to get a bit more out of your memory, given that it is running at lower speeds, you could always try bringing the timings down a notch

EDIT: You replied at the same time as me. Yes I think it'll be stable, but run prime 95 to be sure.

I know that many ppl pushed this cpu to 4000mhz but for my usage i dont think is something that i need at the moment, the pc is fast and i dont think i ll notice the difference so much by increasing the frequency of my cpu it ll be just numbers lets say

blibbax · Oct 15, 2010, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0rgasmatron

I know that many ppl pushed this cpu to 4000mhz but for my usage i dont think is something that i need at the moment, the pc is fast and i dont think i ll notice the difference so much by increasing the frequency of my cpu it ll be just numbers lets say

Yeah, I'm not saying you need to overclock, just trying to put memory speed increases in perspective as far as performance goes.

0rgasmatron · Oct 18, 2010, 09:13 PM

Hmmm after having the memory for few days on 1600mhz the system was kinda unstable as im a gamer of mostly MMOs (wow mostly) i was keep gettin error #132.I went through forums and every1 was speaking about memory overheating, i had some random blue screens and Ati catalyst keep drooping off.I kinda tried everything i didnt done memory test tho yet!My main question and thoughts in same time is did the volt that my mobo applied on the ram was causing the problem?as it was on auto and many times i saw it running over 1.65Volts any suggestions ll be helpful thank you guys...

asedsa · Oct 18, 2010, 09:27 PM

Well my sugestion is to set memory frequency at 1333mhz with auto voltage, and you wont have problems, temperature will be ok and your PC (especially motherboard, btw your mobo is great) will live longer and still powerful as well.

Regards

0rgasmatron · Oct 18, 2010, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asedsa

Well my sugestion is to set memory frequency at 1333mhz with auto voltage, and you wont have problems, temperature will be ok and your PC (especially motherboard, btw your mobo is great) will live longer and still powerful as well.

Regards

I dont really know why im going through all this numbers cus my pc is not slow at all and at any point, just it tease me up the 1666mhz as the ocz claims for the sticks!I kinda think that the heat comes cus all my ddr slots are occupied!My mobo as auto clock give the sticks on 1066mhz kinda pity isnt it?I just wonder anyway....

Neshi · Oct 19, 2010, 03:08 AM

I would never use auto voltage, as the mobo will always supply more than is essentially needed. Resulting in your case in overheating. If you are going to overclock (which you are doing, by setting the the memory at 1666mhz) do it right and set the voltage manually. It will be much more stable because there will be no voltage fluctuation, and it will produce less heat because setting voltage manually allows you to set it lower than the motherboard will supply when set on auto.

I hope you understand what I just said.

try setting the voltage at the number as it says on the memory. if it doesn't post or it is unstable it need either looser timings or more voltage. When doing this you are overclocking and tweaking settings.
When you are not comfortable with this, leave it be.. like you said, you think your system is fast enough, so why bother.
When you search the internet for memory overclocking or cpu overclocking you will find plenty of guides telling you how to do it.

0rgasmatron · Oct 19, 2010, 12:34 PM

The problem that im running trough this days is kinda strange....if i turn off the pc, next day i ll get like 4-5 memory management errors blue screen after those the pc is stable all time till with restarts!
Do i need to start thinking of any faulty stick?or is all about configuration?
I kinda think of the configuration before the faulty stick cus i made the bios to run default settings!
Any suggestions guys?
Thanks again.

Judas · Oct 19, 2010, 05:12 PM

quite often i've seen motherboard underpower the DDR3 when set to auto when cranked up..

change it to 1333mhz.... and keep the voltage on auto just to see.... i'm guessing with the timings and 1600mhz... you may not be feeding the voltage OCZ specifically states is required at 1600mhz..

Default voltage should be plenty at 1333mhz.... i usually see ocz or other companies wanting a bit more for the top speed the memory is rated for. So higher voltage may solve your problem... but i highly recommend you stick with 1333mhz and stock.... things tend to be less problematic.

0rgasmatron · Oct 21, 2010, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

quite often i've seen motherboard underpower the DDR3 when set to auto when cranked up..

change it to 1333mhz.... and keep the voltage on auto just to see.... i'm guessing with the timings and 1600mhz... you may not be feeding the voltage OCZ specifically states is required at 1600mhz..

Default voltage should be plenty at 1333mhz.... i usually see ocz or other companies wanting a bit more for the top speed the memory is rated for. So higher voltage may solve your problem... but i highly recommend you stick with 1333mhz and stock.... things tend to be less problematic.

I sat the sticks on 1333mhz and i had the pc running 2 days straight no errors till now.Today i made a windows memory diagnostic came out with no errors as i came into the windows after 2 minutes explorer stop responding...this thing starts to make my head in

Tonight i ll shout down the system and i ll see if tomorrow morning i ll get any glitch windows starts...
The question here is , is my memory faulty or is my windows totally for garbage

Judas · Oct 21, 2010, 04:12 PM

download this and burn the image to CD

http://www.memtest.org/download/4.10...+-4.10.iso.zip

then let it run overnight and see if you have any errors show up.. it's much better then the microsoft tester..

usually if there is a glaring issue with the memory... you'll notice a problem almost emediately.

0rgasmatron · Oct 23, 2010, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

download this and burn the image to CD

http://www.memtest.org/download/4.10...+-4.10.iso.zip

then let it run overnight and see if you have any errors show up.. it's much better then the microsoft tester..

usually if there is a glaring issue with the memory... you'll notice a problem almost emediately.

Judas, memtest gave me nothing i mean no errors!The problem here doesnt appear when the pc runs for long time!I mean i have it like 4 days now open non stop no blue screens no programs crushing at all.If i shout it down for the night,proally next day the windows for the first 10-20 minutes ll go ape-shit(blue screens every 2-3 minutes or programs crushing constantly) till i ll get a good start. I cant understand the reason!
Any clues?

Neshi · Oct 23, 2010, 04:37 AM

I'm still no fan of auto settings in the bios.

0rgasmatron · Oct 23, 2010, 03:35 PM

So after a night shout down, at the morning i ll get all this crap till the pc ll start working! During this blue screens windows starting like nothing is working properly all programs with errors!
Faulty ram or crapy windows copy?

asedsa · Oct 23, 2010, 04:22 PM

Hmmmm, I have one idea worth to try.

First- try to rollback audio driver (version before your current driver)
Second- try to update audio driver (the latest)

regards

Judas · Oct 23, 2010, 04:26 PM

Orgasmatron..

do you have a printer attached?

if so.. can you uplug it..

try unplugging all un-essential devices such as printers... cameras, etc... make sure you only have a mouse/keyboard/monitor and speakers plugged in..

If that doesn't seem to be a cause...

Some of the BSOD's point the finger at a faulty hardrive.. but you've a SSD... so i'm wondering if that SSD is perhaps faulty itself..

I haven't checked if ocz has a ssd drive tester or not...

If you get into windows, go to the drives and run the Scandisk and set them to do a thorough check with automatically fix errors checked ..... you should have to schedule it for next restart.... after which restart and see what happens then.

0rgasmatron · Oct 23, 2010, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

Orgasmatron..

do you have a printer attached?

if so.. can you uplug it..

try unplugging all un-essential devices such as printers... cameras, etc... make sure you only have a mouse/keyboard/monitor and speakers plugged in..

If that doesn't seem to be a cause...

Some of the BSOD's point the finger at a faulty hardrive.. but you've a SSD... so i'm wondering if that SSD is perhaps faulty itself..

I haven't checked if ocz has a ssd drive tester or not...

If you get into windows, go to the drives and run the Scandisk and set them to do a thorough check with automatically fix errors checked ..... you should have to schedule it for next restart.... after which restart and see what happens then.

Judas mate check your private messages one sec if you can!

0rgasmatron · Oct 23, 2010, 05:01 PM

Im running out of ideas here cus i dont know where the problem comes from at first place!Any suggestions ll be appreciate thank you all again for your effort

IvanV · Oct 23, 2010, 09:46 PM

I see no obvious answer.

First, make sure you have the latest BIOS, some of them mention improving system stability in the description.

Second, the rig was stable while the memory was underclocked, right? Try removing some of the sticks and if you get a stable combination it's likely that other modules are faulty (or at least that they can't operate stably at their full frequency). I'd write down the factory memory parameters (voltage and latencies) and set the values manually in BIOS in case the motherboard is having trouble guessing right.

I also read that someone solved his bad_pool_caller BSOD with Windows Repair, although it could be other things, might also be worth a shot (maybe all the other BSODs broke something).

0rgasmatron · Oct 23, 2010, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IvanV

I see no obvious answer.

First, make sure you have the latest BIOS, some of them mention improving system stability in the description.

Second, the rig was stable while the memory was underclocked, right? Try removing some of the sticks and if you get a stable combination it's likely that other modules are faulty (or at least that they can't operate stably at their full frequency). I'd write down the factory memory parameters (voltage and latencies) and set the values manually in BIOS in case the motherboard is having trouble guessing right.

I also read that someone solved his bad_pool_caller BSOD with Windows Repair, although it could be other things, might also be worth a shot (maybe all the other BSODs broke something).

I ran memtest sort of it that came out without any errors at all i plan to let it run all night tonight so i can be sure about!Second thing i found out reading ocz forums most ppl with my SSD running on AHCI instead of IDE i switched to that too but once the pc is up running however how many times i restart no bluescreen appears or any errors!So i ll need to let shout down again this days!
Im guessing that maybe my SSD wasnt configured correctly and it was losing data on shutdowns?Im wondering!
In same time i try to make wiper.exe running on it something that doesnt let me go through yet im trying to read and see what others suggest about it!

Oct 15, 2010, 01:22 PM	#2
IvanV HH Assassin Guild Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,919 Rep Power: 336 System Specs	Re: Memory Frequency Actually, more or less, all is well. Effective memory frequency is twice what CPU-Z reports, in your case that's 1070MHz (pretty much one of the standard DDR3 speeds, 1066MHz). Now, your memory is designed to run at up to 1600MHz effectively, but, if the info I have is correct, then the controller on Phenom II X6s don't support that speed (kind of sucks, but it's the same with Intel i7 920 for example). However, it should support effective DDR3 1333MHz speed (which is what CPU-Z would report as 667MHz or something like that) and you should be able to select that speed in BIOS (either 1333 or 667, whatever your BIOS lists as an option). There could be a snag, though, I'm not sure if the memory controller can support the maximum speed when all 4 slots are used (and I'm guessing that you have 4 x 2GB), so getting above the current speed might not be possible. __________________ If anyone has Portal 2 and hasn't played the co-op and wants to do me a favour, let me know (PM me or whatever).

Oct 15, 2010, 02:00 PM	#4
blibbax What does this do? Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 4,262 Rep Power: 254 System Specs	Re: Memory Frequency What Ivan said CPU-Z reports the base memory speed, as you're running DDR3 Memory (Double Data Rate 3, get it? ) you get twice what it advertises. Just to add though, as long as it's not super slow (which yours isn't) memory frequency isn't massivley important. Obviously it helps, and you will get more increase from increasing memory speed, but nothing in the same league as you would see from a similar increase in CPU speed, for example. If you want to get a bit more out of your memory, given that it is running at lower speeds, you could always try bringing the timings down a notch EDIT: You replied at the same time as me. Yes I think it'll be stable, but run prime 95 to be sure. __________________ Donate the spare computing power of your PC to help to cure Alzheimer's, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease and cancer: Fold for HH!

Oct 18, 2010, 09:13 PM	Thread Starter #7
0rgasmatron HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Italy Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: Memory Frequency Hmmm after having the memory for few days on 1600mhz the system was kinda unstable as im a gamer of mostly MMOs (wow mostly) i was keep gettin error #132.I went through forums and every1 was speaking about memory overheating, i had some random blue screens and Ati catalyst keep drooping off.I kinda tried everything i didnt done memory test tho yet!My main question and thoughts in same time is did the volt that my mobo applied on the ram was causing the problem?as it was on auto and many times i saw it running over 1.65Volts any suggestions ll be helpful thank you guys...

Oct 18, 2010, 09:27 PM	#8
asedsa HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina Posts: 246 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Re: Memory Frequency Well my sugestion is to set memory frequency at 1333mhz with auto voltage, and you wont have problems, temperature will be ok and your PC (especially motherboard, btw your mobo is great) will live longer and still powerful as well. Regards

Oct 19, 2010, 03:08 AM	#10
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,386 Rep Power: 183 System Specs	Re: Memory Frequency I would never use auto voltage, as the mobo will always supply more than is essentially needed. Resulting in your case in overheating. If you are going to overclock (which you are doing, by setting the the memory at 1666mhz) do it right and set the voltage manually. It will be much more stable because there will be no voltage fluctuation, and it will produce less heat because setting voltage manually allows you to set it lower than the motherboard will supply when set on auto. I hope you understand what I just said. try setting the voltage at the number as it says on the memory. if it doesn't post or it is unstable it need either looser timings or more voltage. When doing this you are overclocking and tweaking settings. When you are not comfortable with this, leave it be.. like you said, you think your system is fast enough, so why bother. When you search the internet for memory overclocking or cpu overclocking you will find plenty of guides telling you how to do it. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Oct 15, 2010, 12:43 PM	#1
0rgasmatron HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Italy Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Memory Frequency Hello and nice to meet you all! I dont know if this is the correct section of the forum to ask but anyway.... For some wierd resson my pc runs my memories on low frequency (535.1mhz) nowhere close to what it suppose to be (1600mhz) Does any can give me a hand to fix this? My pc specs are under my user name! Thank you and appreciate your help! Last edited by 0rgasmatron; Oct 15, 2010 at 12:59 PM.

Oct 19, 2010, 12:34 PM	Thread Starter #11
0rgasmatron HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Italy Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: Memory Frequency The problem that im running trough this days is kinda strange....if i turn off the pc, next day i ll get like 4-5 memory management errors blue screen after those the pc is stable all time till with restarts! Do i need to start thinking of any faulty stick?or is all about configuration? I kinda think of the configuration before the faulty stick cus i made the bios to run default settings! Any suggestions guys? Thanks again.

Oct 23, 2010, 04:37 AM	#16
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,386 Rep Power: 183 System Specs	Re: Memory Frequency I'm still no fan of auto settings in the bios. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Oct 23, 2010, 03:35 PM	Thread Starter #17
0rgasmatron HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Italy Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: Memory Frequency So after a night shout down, at the morning i ll get all this crap till the pc ll start working! During this blue screens windows starting like nothing is working properly all programs with errors! Faulty ram or crapy windows copy? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by 0rgasmatron; Oct 23, 2010 at 03:40 PM.

Oct 23, 2010, 04:22 PM	#18
asedsa HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina Posts: 246 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Re: Memory Frequency Hmmmm, I have one idea worth to try. First- try to rollback audio driver (version before your current driver) Second- try to update audio driver (the latest) regards

Oct 23, 2010, 05:01 PM	Thread Starter #21
0rgasmatron HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Italy Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: Memory Frequency Im running out of ideas here cus i dont know where the problem comes from at first place!Any suggestions ll be appreciate thank you all again for your effort

Oct 23, 2010, 09:46 PM	#22
IvanV HH Assassin Guild Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,919 Rep Power: 336 System Specs	Re: Memory Frequency I see no obvious answer. First, make sure you have the latest BIOS, some of them mention improving system stability in the description. Second, the rig was stable while the memory was underclocked, right? Try removing some of the sticks and if you get a stable combination it's likely that other modules are faulty (or at least that they can't operate stably at their full frequency). I'd write down the factory memory parameters (voltage and latencies) and set the values manually in BIOS in case the motherboard is having trouble guessing right. I also read that someone solved his bad_pool_caller BSOD with Windows Repair, although it could be other things, might also be worth a shot (maybe all the other BSODs broke something). __________________ If anyone has Portal 2 and hasn't played the co-op and wants to do me a favour, let me know (PM me or whatever). Last edited by IvanV; Oct 23, 2010 at 09:58 PM.