samsung -ctl...the last of the great sticks...?

kat · Jul 31, 2002, 03:27 PM

recently purchased four sticks samsung 256mb pc2700
samsung part# M368L3223CTL-CB3
module numbers K4H5060838C-TCB3

three sticks are the "214" and one is a "211" - number on module in upper right hand corner of chip...

here are the results -
kr7a, xp1600+, ax7, mem timings 2-6-2-1T 4 bank, cpu fast command decode - fast

stick#1 200 fsb clean and stable out of the box, no burn in, not run at anything but 200...vmem = 2.75v sandra mem = 3026 / 2737

stick#2 200 fsb clean and stable out of the box, no burn in, not run at anything but 200...vmem = 2.75v sandra mem = 3026 / 2734

stick#3 200 fsb clean and stable out of the box, no burn in, not run at anything but 200...vmem = 2.75v sandra mem = 3025 / 2733

stick#4 200 fsb clean and stable out of the box, no burn in.initially no post at 200 until raise vmem to 2.85v sandra mem = 30222 / 2727...this is the "211" stick and after 2 hour burn-in at 2.85v it behaves like the first three sticks.

...why oh why mr. samsung did you feel the need to change your process and make -dtl modules?

sjohnson · Jul 31, 2002, 03:35 PM

Money, money, money, money...Mo-----ney!

Shrinking the die, to get higher yield out of a wafer lead to smaller IC components and interconnects==more crosstalk, thermal noise and inability to absorb the rise in voltage necessary to run the DTL at the same speed and performance as the CTL.

The lack of any vendor using the PC2700 as a standard, AMD's reluctance to move to a 166 FSB CPU and the forthcoming DDRII "wave" probably gave Samsung the scent of profits to come so they left the DDR2700 manufacturing process to the "cost-efficient" engineers while the performance engineers went to work on DDRII. IMHO

Zarathustra · Jul 31, 2002, 05:24 PM

Newegg says they talked to Samsung about the CTL/DTL sticks and supposedly the only difference is they are made on different assembly lines and in theory should perform the same. Of course "in theory" and reality are totally different animals

kat · Jul 31, 2002, 06:18 PM

see my post here -> http://www.hardwareheaven.com/thread.php?id=3449
and check the links to the samsung specs...
even samsung says -ctl and -dtl are different...

DaSnIpE · Aug 1, 2002, 02:02 PM

It's not fair, I got DTL, I WANT CTL STICKS!!!!!

LoL

janusz · Aug 2, 2002, 06:02 AM

well winbond o/c's just like the clt

UberLord · Aug 2, 2002, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by janusz
well winbond o/c's just like the clt

Dunno why, but I've always had a very low opinion of Winbond chips due to many woeful experiences with cheap modems/NICs which ALWAYS had these chips in.

Winbond such major ass!

shuki · Aug 2, 2002, 07:20 AM

I'd like to see a winbond stick of ddr come right out of the package and go into a mobo and run 200fsb with 2-6-2-1 timing. Not saying it can't be done, I've just never seen anyone post on it.....

Likwid · Aug 13, 2002, 05:10 AM

http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Memory/DDR333/page4.htm

Here's a good page on winbond chips. I found this while doing a search about my Kingston ddr333 w/windbond chips. Looks like this is nothing like ctl.

Here's a really bad review with it running cas2

http://www.ocprices.com/index.php?re...action=reviews

skastel · Aug 16, 2002, 08:32 AM

my CTL's suck, I just got em, can't even get past 145 with them!! WTF!!!

If I go above 145 it just doesn't post, nothing at all. THese are fresh sticks, so they might need some burn-in, but I should be able to do 166 out of the box right? could it be the Athlon then?

Or perhaps the wonderous restrictions of my SB Live!? Any help greatly appreciated

shuki · Aug 17, 2002, 12:23 AM

you sure they are CTL? if so, where'd you get them?? I want more!! heh. You probably need to set your vmem from 2.55 (default) to 2.75 or maybe even 2.85. And check your PM

skastel · Aug 17, 2002, 03:52 AM

got them over at newegg.com, once again they come through with the goods!
I decided to take the gamble and it payed off!

Jul 31, 2002, 06:18 PM	Thread Starter #4
kat DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 56 miles west of venus Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	-ctl and -dtl the same?...not... see my post here -> http://www.hardwareheaven.com/thread.php?id=3449 and check the links to the samsung specs... even samsung says -ctl and -dtl are different... __________________ common sense...isn't

Aug 1, 2002, 02:02 PM	#5
DaSnIpE Driverage Snipe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada or NYC, USA Posts: 372 Rep Power: 0	It's not fair, I got DTL, I WANT CTL STICKS!!!!! LoL __________________ Antec SX1030 Case - Enermax 431 W Whisper PS - 4 Case Fans -ThermalRight AX-7 With Panaflo Ultra Fan - Sb Audigy / Logitech Z-560 Speakers / Sennheiser HD497 Headphones WD 80GB 7200 rpm HD - Samsung SyncMaster 955DF - LG 16x10x40x Burner / Pionner 16x Slot DVD View my rig http://nl.dodhq.net/Rig/

Aug 2, 2002, 06:02 AM	#6
janusz Abit Staff Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 124 Rep Power: 0	well winbond o/c's just like the clt __________________ P4 3.06 @ 3.8GHz ABIT-BE7-G 512 pc 3500 3 Radeon 9700's @ 445/775 audigy 2 2X 200 WD special edition HDD's KURWA

Aug 13, 2002, 05:10 AM	#9
Likwid DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NJ - USA Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Memory/DDR333/page4.htm Here's a good page on winbond chips. I found this while doing a search about my Kingston ddr333 w/windbond chips. Looks like this is nothing like ctl. Here's a really bad review with it running cas2 http://www.ocprices.com/index.php?re...action=reviews __________________ \| 1700+ JIUHB 0302 @ ?? \| Epox 8RDA+ (vdd modded) \| 2x256mb TwinMos pc3200 (winbond bh-5) \| PNY Geforce4 Ti4200 \| 40gb Maxtor 7200RPM \| Robanton 600watt PSU (nice rails!) \| D-Tek TC-4 Alu Top CPU Waterblock 1/2" \| Dangerden Z-Chip NB Block 1/2" \| D-Tek Pro Core Radiator Combo(w/shroud) \| Delta 120mm 85cfm/33db fan \| Via Aqua 1300 Pump \| Casemod/D-tek Bay Res \|

Aug 16, 2002, 08:32 AM	#10
skastel Massive Happiness Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 238 Rep Power: 0	ctl's? my CTL's suck, I just got em, can't even get past 145 with them!! WTF!!! If I go above 145 it just doesn't post, nothing at all. THese are fresh sticks, so they might need some burn-in, but I should be able to do 166 out of the box right? could it be the Athlon then? Or perhaps the wonderous restrictions of my SB Live!? Any help greatly appreciated __________________ Barton 2800+ @ 1998Mhz (12x166) Radeon 9700 Pro ASUS A7N 1 GB Corsair Low Latency PC3200 (2-2-2-5) SBLive! 5.1 WD 80GB JB Samsung DVD 16x+/12x-/2.4x Dual Layer Lite-On CD-R/RW 48x12x48x

Jul 31, 2002, 03:27 PM	#1
kat DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 56 miles west of venus Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	samsung -ctl...the last of the great sticks...? recently purchased four sticks samsung 256mb pc2700 samsung part# M368L3223CTL-CB3 module numbers K4H5060838C-TCB3 three sticks are the "214" and one is a "211" - number on module in upper right hand corner of chip... here are the results - kr7a, xp1600+, ax7, mem timings 2-6-2-1T 4 bank, cpu fast command decode - fast stick#1 200 fsb clean and stable out of the box, no burn in, not run at anything but 200...vmem = 2.75v sandra mem = 3026 / 2737 stick#2 200 fsb clean and stable out of the box, no burn in, not run at anything but 200...vmem = 2.75v sandra mem = 3026 / 2734 stick#3 200 fsb clean and stable out of the box, no burn in, not run at anything but 200...vmem = 2.75v sandra mem = 3025 / 2733 stick#4 200 fsb clean and stable out of the box, no burn in.initially no post at 200 until raise vmem to 2.85v sandra mem = 30222 / 2727...this is the "211" stick and after 2 hour burn-in at 2.85v it behaves like the first three sticks. ...why oh why mr. samsung did you feel the need to change your process and make -dtl modules? __________________ common sense...isn't

Jul 31, 2002, 03:35 PM	#2
sjohnson DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stewartsville, NJ U.S.A. Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Money, money, money, money...Mo-----ney! Shrinking the die, to get higher yield out of a wafer lead to smaller IC components and interconnects==more crosstalk, thermal noise and inability to absorb the rise in voltage necessary to run the DTL at the same speed and performance as the CTL. The lack of any vendor using the PC2700 as a standard, AMD's reluctance to move to a 166 FSB CPU and the forthcoming DDRII "wave" probably gave Samsung the scent of profits to come so they left the DDR2700 manufacturing process to the "cost-efficient" engineers while the performance engineers went to work on DDRII. IMHO

Jul 31, 2002, 05:24 PM	#3
Zarathustra Elite Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Confederacy Posts: 841 Rep Power: 0	Newegg says they talked to Samsung about the CTL/DTL sticks and supposedly the only difference is they are made on different assembly lines and in theory should perform the same. Of course "in theory" and reality are totally different animals

Aug 2, 2002, 07:20 AM	#8
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	I'd like to see a winbond stick of ddr come right out of the package and go into a mobo and run 200fsb with 2-6-2-1 timing. Not saying it can't be done, I've just never seen anyone post on it.....

Aug 17, 2002, 12:23 AM	#11
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	you sure they are CTL? if so, where'd you get them?? I want more!! heh. You probably need to set your vmem from 2.55 (default) to 2.75 or maybe even 2.85. And check your PM

Aug 17, 2002, 03:52 AM	#12
skastel Massive Happiness Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 238 Rep Power: 0	newegg baby got them over at newegg.com, once again they come through with the goods! I decided to take the gamble and it payed off! __________________ Barton 2800+ @ 1998Mhz (12x166) Radeon 9700 Pro ASUS A7N 1 GB Corsair Low Latency PC3200 (2-2-2-5) SBLive! 5.1 WD 80GB JB Samsung DVD 16x+/12x-/2.4x Dual Layer Lite-On CD-R/RW 48x12x48x