Roadee's Fastest Rig Competition Discussion Thread

Judas · Nov 8, 2007, 09:59 PM

Most of the unique stuff, such as the gigabyte board isn't typically kept in stock anywhere... always special order..

But yes, availablity is a huge issue here.... i'm having a damn hard time finding more Seagate 7200.11's... .10's are in mass supply yet though.

PangingJr · Nov 9, 2007, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

Most of the unique stuff, such as the gigabyte board isn't typically kept in stock anywhere... always special order..

But yes, availablity is a huge issue here.... i'm having a damn hard time finding more Seagate 7200.11's... .10's are in mass supply yet though.

you mean you can't return it, correct?
well, i returned my Gigabyte P35-based and ask for a new replacement board at a few weeks after i started to play with it and that when i believed even after a few new BIOS but FSB wall on the board was still not quite right. i returned an Asus P35-based in a week due to its BIOS problem and requested for some other hardware for the money instead. and i get the parts back to me in a day, i can understand yours can be different. buy why it must be special order.

i don't suggest you go for special order, especially motherboard and RAM. if you gonna buy the stuff, put them togetther to make a computer system, overclock the system just a little and you already know what you will do in the overclock, and that's about it, then i say fine buy the special order computer parts. but if you plan to play around with the system you build, which you should to, and play with it hard, well, don't order the parts as a special order. get something else or from somewhere else that at least you can return the parts.

Judas · Nov 13, 2007, 06:51 AM

Special orders means "zero" return policy.. even if i don't pick it up, it's still mie and i've already paid for it....

only warrnty on it is manufacturer.... and i've had very good help from gigabyte and OCZ had beyond imagination of excellent warranty .... so those were the only 2 items i special ordered ... (aside from a mp3 player for a customer i fully explain the circumstanes to)

We'll see when we get everything.... i've already done a rough 2 hours burn in test on the OCZ modules a at a stock spd....

Just waiting for the board.

ChaosMinionX · Nov 13, 2007, 07:49 AM

Get an Asus Maximus judas and save yourself the hassle, word on the street is Maximus SE is EOL which might mean they are doing 1 of 2 things, replacing with an X48 based Maximus, or just discontinuing it for some reason. So break it, return it get a new board under EOL terms

PangingJr · Nov 14, 2007, 07:39 PM

that does sound like a good plan, Judas, the maximus is only a few more than the DQ6, and you will be able to have a newer version of the board at your reserve price before warranty ran out.

btw, Judas how you burn in test the memory modules? i usually start using or overclocking it right away with any new memory modules.

Judas · Nov 14, 2007, 09:13 PM

actually the gigabyte board is a few bucks more then the gigabyte board..

i'm already stuck with the gigabyte board.. i'm receiving it tonight.. along with a temporary Q6600 (newest revision apparently)

I burn in the memory modules by starting out with memtest86+ ...... that way i can find out if the modules are bad or not from the start (i can't beleive how often i've found bad memory.. it's rediculious)

Then i crank them up to thier "spec"ed speeds and let them run on the test for as many hours as i can before i can claim full stability.

PangingJr · Nov 14, 2007, 09:31 PM

hmm what i got at my area the DQ6 is cheaper than the maximus, but just a few.
both boards are available widely, especially the DQ6, i can walk in and buy the board or order it from like 50 stores or so.

and, that is a good idea to run the kind of test, but it does not mean much really, just don't forget to test your system memory when you start overclocking your system.

Judas · Nov 14, 2007, 09:53 PM

yeah availability for the dq6 is quite short here.... out of stock everywhere i look.. or close to...

as for the test... i run it initially because i need to make sure they work.. or get warranty/exchange done as quickly as possible.

PangingJr · Nov 14, 2007, 09:57 PM

oh okay.
but, ever heard some do the RMA of their memory module like mad or keep buying and playing with memory all years long before he gets to know a few good memory kits, lol.

ChaosMinionX · Nov 15, 2007, 02:41 AM

Ahem dual HD 3870s inbound

Will get some numbers for you as well

CDsDontBurn · Nov 15, 2007, 06:59 AM

so, you're downgrading the amount of video memory you have for higher clocks?

Judas · Nov 15, 2007, 07:24 AM

soon as i have a guaranteed buyer for my x1900 and x1900 mastercard..... hd3870's.... will be here...

CDsDontBurn · Nov 15, 2007, 07:26 AM

so on an x-fire set up, you NEED to have a MC and slave card? or is that "issue" fixed?

if you still need a MC, would you need two or one MCs if running a quad x-fire set up?

ChaosMinionX · Nov 15, 2007, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

so on an x-fire set up, you NEED to have a MC and slave card? or is that "issue" fixed?

if you still need a MC, would you need two or one MCs if running a quad x-fire set up?

They dropped that after X1900's for the SLI bridge type connector. And yeah im gaining RAM speed as well on 3870s and the 512/512 will be fine.

Judas · Nov 15, 2007, 07:44 AM

Yeah, that cards i've got were "the last"..... aside from the VERY last being the radeon x1950xtx/MC versions....

x1950pro's crossfired without anything (software via ati's own southbridge i beleive).....

HD series introduced the crossfire internal connection (similare to SLI).... and i beleive the HD38xx series will probably provide the additional internal connectors for quad card crossfire.....

ChaosMinionX · Nov 15, 2007, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Judas

Yeah, that cards i've got were "the last"..... aside from the VERY last being the radeon x1950xtx/MC versions....

x1950pro's crossfired without anything (software via ati's own southbridge i beleive).....

HD series introduced the crossfire internal connection (similare to SLI).... and i beleive the HD38xx series will probably provide the additional internal connectors for quad card crossfire.....

Quad crossfire actually just uses 3 bridges.... card 1 to card2 card 2 to card 3 to card 4

Judas · Nov 15, 2007, 08:15 AM

yeah... needs the additional internet connectors on the card... where as the HD2xxx series i've had only allows for ONE bridge connector of the card... to connect card #2 to #3, you need 2 bridge connectors attached to one card....... still requires 4 bridge connectors... not 3...

ChaosMinionX · Nov 15, 2007, 09:06 AM

Hmmm,

CrossfireX aka "Spider"

Card 1 to Card 2, Card 2 to Card 3, Card 3 to Card 4. (3 bridges)

Necrosis · Nov 15, 2007, 09:58 AM

Slam...duh...da..da...duh..da..da

Judas · Nov 16, 2007, 01:01 AM

lol... roasted

hey ... got my Q6600 DQ6 and Freezer 7 pro running.... cpu temp sitting @ 22*C

Asmoday · Nov 16, 2007, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

lol... roasted

hey ... got my Q6600 DQ6 and Freezer 7 pro running.... cpu temp sitting @ 22*C

According to what software..? I suggest trying Coretemp and then let us know your temps.

PangingJr · Nov 16, 2007, 05:06 AM

Judas,
Gigabyte's EasyTune5 program and the motherboard's BIOS, both use the same CPU temperature sensor,
however, it's a different sensor from what Core Temp program uses in reading and monitoring the CPU temperature.
Lavalys Everest uses both sensors, one that Core Temp program uses and also another one that BIOS uses.

for your CPU temperature monitoring, you should consider using Core Temp program, after all it's free and and pretty standard or Everest if you have it, or other software programs that also uses the same sensor if you have it, but not by using the CPU temperature from the EasyTune5 program or BIOS.

ChaosMinionX · Nov 18, 2007, 05:21 AM

Man you guys need to post some results, real boring around here and more than a few have quad rigs now

My 3870's have some interesting numbers

Judas · Nov 18, 2007, 07:33 AM

Well you bloody well know my 2x x1900xtx's in crossfire with a total of just over 11,500 3dmarks isn't going to come close to your 2x 3870's pushing porbably close to 26k or better

ChaosMinionX · Nov 18, 2007, 08:39 AM

Well....despite Futuremark not letting me publish, because the 3870's register as "Generic VGA" here is the untweaked results.

See:

Little screen, dividers still borked on Maximus, and higher FSB is not working at these speeds. All on air as well

Dual HD3870's @ 850/1151 on air (with new TT duOrb I have coming will be doing 860/1200)

So this was all done with Crysis Hotfix driver from ati...overlaid on 8.43 RC3 driver.

3d06- 19568 (little slow, needs a new driver)
3d05- 25507
pcmark05- 12338

19568+25507+12338 /3 = 19138 points (damn close to breaking 20k for DH scoring

)

Judas · Nov 18, 2007, 08:56 AM

i still can't run PCmark05.... it fails on one of the tests all the freaking time....

and i get nearly 11.5 on 06

Just Learnin' · Nov 18, 2007, 03:57 PM

I always failed the web page rendering when running PCMark05 on Vista Judas. I disabled my ethernet from within windows and it passes fine now. Enable it after the benchmark is run to upload the score. Is that the part of the test you are failing?

Judas · Nov 18, 2007, 08:16 PM

it's not the webpage one.. that one works..

it's the encoding one i think...

and yes i've installed WME9 and tried WME9 x64 as well...

ChaosMinionX · Nov 18, 2007, 08:24 PM

Vista doesnt even require WME9 to run PCmark.....I have never had to install it also Judas try this...

Futuremark - Download - 3DMark06/05/03 & PCMark05 Hotfix

Just Learnin' · Nov 18, 2007, 08:25 PM

I couldn't pass the web page render in Vista 32bit without disabling my internet connection. Messed around for a full day with drivers, reinstalls etc. Had it actually pass the odd time and thought I had cured it but not until I had disabled the internet connection would it pass consistently.

Hope you find a cure...

Nov 13, 2007, 07:49 AM	#1504
ChaosMinionX USB 3 dot oh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,911 Rep Power: 45 System Specs	Get an Asus Maximus judas and save yourself the hassle, word on the street is Maximus SE is EOL which might mean they are doing 1 of 2 things, replacing with an X48 based Maximus, or just discontinuing it for some reason. So break it, return it get a new board under EOL terms __________________ ::Heatware:: How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

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ChaosMinionX USB 3 dot oh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,911 Rep Power: 45 System Specs	Ahem dual HD 3870s inbound Will get some numbers for you as well __________________ ::Heatware:: How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg! Last edited by ChaosMinionX; Nov 15, 2007 at 04:08 AM.

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CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,458 Rep Power: 202 System Specs	so on an x-fire set up, you NEED to have a MC and slave card? or is that "issue" fixed? if you still need a MC, would you need two or one MCs if running a quad x-fire set up? __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

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ChaosMinionX USB 3 dot oh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,911 Rep Power: 45 System Specs	Hmmm, CrossfireX aka "Spider" Card 1 to Card 2, Card 2 to Card 3, Card 3 to Card 4. (3 bridges) __________________ ::Heatware:: How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

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PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	that does sound like a good plan, Judas, the maximus is only a few more than the DQ6, and you will be able to have a newer version of the board at your reserve price before warranty ran out. btw, Judas how you burn in test the memory modules? i usually start using or overclocking it right away with any new memory modules.

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PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	hmm what i got at my area the DQ6 is cheaper than the maximus, but just a few. both boards are available widely, especially the DQ6, i can walk in and buy the board or order it from like 50 stores or so. and, that is a good idea to run the kind of test, but it does not mean much really, just don't forget to test your system memory when you start overclocking your system.

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PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	oh okay. but, ever heard some do the RMA of their memory module like mad or keep buying and playing with memory all years long before he gets to know a few good memory kits, lol.

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Nov 16, 2007, 05:06 AM	#1522
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	Judas, Gigabyte's EasyTune5 program and the motherboard's BIOS, both use the same CPU temperature sensor, however, it's a different sensor from what Core Temp program uses in reading and monitoring the CPU temperature. Lavalys Everest uses both sensors, one that Core Temp program uses and also another one that BIOS uses. for your CPU temperature monitoring, you should consider using Core Temp program, after all it's free and and pretty standard or Everest if you have it, or other software programs that also uses the same sensor if you have it, but not by using the CPU temperature from the EasyTune5 program or BIOS.

Nov 18, 2007, 05:21 AM	#1523
ChaosMinionX USB 3 dot oh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,911 Rep Power: 45 System Specs	Man you guys need to post some results, real boring around here and more than a few have quad rigs now My 3870's have some interesting numbers __________________ ::Heatware:: How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

Nov 18, 2007, 08:39 AM	#1525
ChaosMinionX USB 3 dot oh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,911 Rep Power: 45 System Specs	Well....despite Futuremark not letting me publish, because the 3870's register as "Generic VGA" here is the untweaked results. See: Little screen, dividers still borked on Maximus, and higher FSB is not working at these speeds. All on air as well Dual HD3870's @ 850/1151 on air (with new TT duOrb I have coming will be doing 860/1200) So this was all done with Crysis Hotfix driver from ati...overlaid on 8.43 RC3 driver. 3d06- 19568 (little slow, needs a new driver) 3d05- 25507 pcmark05- 12338 19568+25507+12338 /3 = 19138 points (damn close to breaking 20k for DH scoring) __________________ ::Heatware:: How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg! Last edited by ChaosMinionX; Nov 18, 2007 at 08:46 AM.

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Just Learnin' HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,414 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	I always failed the web page rendering when running PCMark05 on Vista Judas. I disabled my ethernet from within windows and it passes fine now. Enable it after the benchmark is run to upload the score. Is that the part of the test you are failing?

Nov 18, 2007, 08:24 PM	#1529
ChaosMinionX USB 3 dot oh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,911 Rep Power: 45 System Specs	Vista doesnt even require WME9 to run PCmark.....I have never had to install it also Judas try this... Futuremark - Download - 3DMark06/05/03 & PCMark05 Hotfix __________________ ::Heatware:: How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

Nov 18, 2007, 08:25 PM	#1530
Just Learnin' HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,414 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	I couldn't pass the web page render in Vista 32bit without disabling my internet connection. Messed around for a full day with drivers, reinstalls etc. Had it actually pass the odd time and thought I had cured it but not until I had disabled the internet connection would it pass consistently. Hope you find a cure...