Roadee's Fastest Rig Competition Discussion Thread

Judas · Nov 26, 2007, 06:36 AM

will give that a go tomorrow...

atm, i'm just kinda playing around in windows... i plan on doing some serious memory and other settings tweaking tomorrow. (it's getting late)

Judas · Nov 26, 2007, 07:39 AM

hey chaos.

i got alot of tuning to do apparently...
but do these look anything like what you were getting when you were first getting riled up?

PCMark05 Futuremark - ORB - Project Comparison
3DMark05 Futuremark - ORB - Project Comparison
3DMark06 Futuremark - ORB - Project Comparison

to me. it's like crossfire isn't working or something...

even thought it's checked and stating that it's working in the CCC and unchecking it and apply and rechecking, all seems to work properly (hotfix was also installed from futuremark)

ChaosMinionX · Nov 26, 2007, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

hey chaos.

i got alot of tuning to do apparently...
but do these look anything like what you were getting when you were first getting riled up?

PCMark05 Futuremark - ORB - Project Comparison
3DMark05 Futuremark - ORB - Project Comparison
3DMark06 Futuremark - ORB - Project Comparison

to me. it's like crossfire isn't working or something...

even thought it's checked and stating that it's working in the CCC and unchecking it and apply and rechecking, all seems to work properly (hotfix was also installed from futuremark)

Is Catalyst AI set to "standard", and what are the other clocks of your machine.

Judas · Nov 27, 2007, 02:42 AM

Catalyst AI is set to advanced... not standard..

all other settings are set to thier defaults (no AA/no AF)

Stock HD3870 clocks (no overdrive) and stock intel q6600 (2400mhz)

PC6400 ram running stock as well... 800mhz... 5-4-4-15 ATM

ChaosMinionX · Nov 27, 2007, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

Catalyst AI is set to advanced... not standard..

all other settings are set to thier defaults (no AA/no AF)

Stock HD3870 clocks (no overdrive) and stock intel q6600 (2400mhz)

PC6400 ram running stock as well... 800mhz... 5-4-4-15 ATM

Ehhh, yeah at 2.4ghz that looks about a standard score...I found that AI to Standard instead of advanced yielded a higher score too btw, those ram Timings at that speed is really gonna hurt the extra points you might need.

Judas · Nov 27, 2007, 07:24 AM

so it looks like what you would have gotten at standard..

i know my hardrive performance seem horribly incorrect though..... 6 sata 7200.11's raid 0.... my gaud should be pulling bigger digits........... usually i don't see big boost from hdtach, but this time i did see quite a nice jump.. lol.

anyways, i didn't get to fine tune anything today, tomorrow i'm going to slaving building 4 more machines..... so when i get a chance.. i'll be starting to crank things up a bit.

PangingJr · Nov 27, 2007, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

so it looks like what you would have gotten at standard..

i know my hardrive performance seem horribly incorrect though..... 6 sata 7200.11's raid 0.... my gaud should be pulling bigger digits........... usually i don't see big boost from hdtach, but this time i did see quite a nice jump.. lol.

anyways, i didn't get to fine tune anything today, tomorrow i'm going to slaving building 4 more machines..... so when i get a chance.. i'll be starting to crank things up a bit.

man, you are slow. i'm quite sure it's easy to overclock your CPU and memory with the Gigabyte board, no?
increase you CPU FSB, you can first try running the memory frequency at the same as CPU FSB and CPU multi at default, you can also first start overclocking the system using memory timings at its stock.
try low overclock like 333x9 (5:6 DDR2 at 800MHz) , and then try 375x8 (5:6 DDR2 at 900MHz). just a few changes in BIOS settings, a few system reboots. let's see you can do it or not?

Judas · Nov 27, 2007, 11:02 PM

lol pangingjr..

give me time to work into the system.. i haven't been around the computer long enough to do any tweaking...

everytime i get things organized and planned ..... something pops up that yanks me away from doing it..

i think i found an issue with a wireless adapter i've been using.... if i use the reference driver it locks up while uploading, if i use the windows vista supplied version... it doesn't lock up.. (weird as hell hey?)

Judas · Nov 27, 2007, 11:33 PM

er... panging..

got a question

you don't happen to know how to say, manually download a driver from windows update (or microsofts servers)

for example, as i mentioned my wireless adapter.... the official drivers cause issues but the windows supplied version doesn't... however i cannot connect to the internet without the adapter on hand...

So i'd like to download the driver for it from windows update, then manually remove the current driver, then install the microsoft supplied version.

I cannot install or download the driver (using update driver) because the one i'm using is more current and a better fit it states

ChaosMinionX · Nov 28, 2007, 02:23 AM

It should show up in your temp folder.

Judas · Nov 28, 2007, 02:37 AM

set the CPU to 1.35v and the DDR to +.10v and then set the FSB to 366 and the DDR to 2.4x keeping the same timings..... it would post.. but occasionally crash... all other voltages are the same..

gaud dammit i haven't overclocked intels much at all..

Seems to be stable @ 350fsb right now though.... i just don't know what safe values are at all yet....

PangingJr · Nov 28, 2007, 05:37 AM

i happen to know what to say, i think you are newbie to all this overclocking.
you don't seem to know what you are doing yet.

i like to suggest you don't play with the advanced memory timing settings in BIOS just yet.
there is a time when the settings in BIOS is a must, on a certain motherboard, RAM and on a cetain system and memory overclocking attempts. but for a low overclock like you are trying to do at this point, the memory subtiming can be done later. right now you are new to your hardware (motherboard, RAM and CPU) and also new to overclocking.

so you are now at 350x9 3.15GHz and stable, correct?

what is your memory spec, i mean the spec of the memeory from its maker,
for example, 2x2GB DDR2 800 5-5-5-15 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) 1.8V?

what is the stepping of your CPU, G0?
what is CPU Vid value, 1.25, 1.27, 1.32?

Judas · Nov 28, 2007, 05:56 AM

Newbie to overclocking intels... yes... and a bit of DDR2 as well..

i was quite familare and quite good at dealing with overclocking DDR and AMD rigs..... got some damn impressive numbers out of those machines..

but this is technically my 2nd intel since my celron days back in 1999.

I'm actually down to 333fsb 3ghz due to instability that would occur occasionally....

I've also lowered the cpu vcore down to 1.33 (stock is 1.325v)

I'll post some CPU-Z info

If you look at choas's CPU Z info for the CPU..... both of ours are exactly the same..

My memory is rated PC6400 DDR2 5-4-4-15 at stock settings.... a maximum of 2.1v is the recommended most voltage to feed it.

either way, i went into the bios and set the ram to AUTO mode and set it to 667mhz (below 800mhz) so that i could gradually increase the CPU first to see how high i could get it...

but there are a pile of voltage settings i can change, i'm usually used to auto modes for them.... or adjusting only the CPU/Chipset/DDR and that's it... but there's a bunch of references to similare things. course i'm not going to touch the pci-express voltage.

the more voltage i fed the cpu... it didn't seem to have any impact on the overclock i manage to get..

hell even setting 1.4v for the cpu and then setting the FSB To 400x6 just to get the high FSB to start with wouldn't post.

and being that i'm not sure what my safe values are for adjusting the voltage for the rest of the componenets... i'm unwilling to take a chance on them until i read up alot more ...

PangingJr · Nov 28, 2007, 06:12 AM

yes you are newbie to this overclocking, it means this system, this hardware, this motherboard and RAM and CPU. i was not talking about the other system you have been using before.

anyways, i think the CPU you have is a B3 stepping.

as far as i know the Gigabyte board, my board never like too much volts into it, too much core voltage, too much chipset voltage won't work with the board.
you board might be the same.

when i have time, later i will see if i can help you get to 3.2GHz of cpu speed, and a good memory sub system settings.

Judas · Nov 28, 2007, 06:26 AM

stepping B, revision G0

PangingJr · Nov 28, 2007, 06:34 AM

i think i have seen many people running that CPU at 3.2GHz and at 1.325V on Gigabyte "P35" many times before.
it's your memory settings and voltage settings. for a good start and maybe that is all you need is 3.2Ghz, however, like i said, i can't do it right now, so later.

ChaosMinionX · Nov 28, 2007, 07:00 AM

Judas get at me on MSN/AIM and I will help you crank that beast out

PangingJr · Nov 28, 2007, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

Newbie to overclocking intels... yes... and a bit of DDR2 as well..

i was quite familare and quite good at dealing with overclocking DDR and AMD rigs..... got some damn impressive numbers out of those machines..

but this is technically my 2nd intel since my celron days back in 1999.

I'm actually down to 333fsb 3ghz due to instability that would occur occasionally....

I've also lowered the cpu vcore down to 1.33 (stock is 1.325v)

I'll post some CPU-Z info

If you look at choas's CPU Z info for the CPU..... both of ours are exactly the same..

My memory is rated PC6400 DDR2 5-4-4-15 at stock settings.... a maximum of 2.1v is the recommended most voltage to feed it.

either way, i went into the bios and set the ram to AUTO mode and set it to 667mhz (below 800mhz) so that i could gradually increase the CPU first to see how high i could get it...

but there are a pile of voltage settings i can change, i'm usually used to auto modes for them.... or adjusting only the CPU/Chipset/DDR and that's it... but there's a bunch of references to similare things. course i'm not going to touch the pci-express voltage.

the more voltage i fed the cpu... it didn't seem to have any impact on the overclock i manage to get..

hell even setting 1.4v for the cpu and then setting the FSB To 400x6 just to get the high FSB to start with wouldn't post.

and being that i'm not sure what my safe values are for adjusting the voltage for the rest of the componenets... i'm unwilling to take a chance on them until i read up alot more ...

i don't know how much Chaos has helped you already.

anyway, try the following BIOS setting and see if you can get the system stable with it....

set the BIOS option to the CPU functions as the same as above mentioned.

set PCIe frequency to 101 <---- also try Auto
try 350x9 again.
C.I.A. 2 [Disabled]
Performance Enhance [Turbo]
Memory Multiplier [2.4x]
DDR2-840MHz

CAS Latency Time 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge 5
Precharge delay(tRAS) 15
set the rest of advanced memory timing to Auto

System Voltage Control [Manual]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control [+0.2] (2.0V)
PCI-E OverVoltage Control [Normal] <----- first try leaving it at Normal, also try adding +0.05.
FSB OverVoltage Control [+0.05]
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.075]
CPU Voltage Control [1.325]
Normal CPU Vcore 1.325V

-----------------------

if the above is stable, then try 400x8 with the same core voltage as above first, Memory Multiplier at 2.4x again, and leave rest setting the same.

Judas · Nov 29, 2007, 05:32 AM

never got the chance to talk to chaos....

but i'll print out your recommendations and give em a whirl here soon

PangingJr · Nov 29, 2007, 06:12 AM

don't worry about the memory timings, soon as you can overclock the processor and stable at 3.2GHz you can work on all the system memory settings. and then later you can try a higher overclocking a bit more.

Judas · Nov 29, 2007, 07:20 AM

do you have any suggestions for the recommend maximum "safe" voltages for the different things i can push?

PangingJr · Nov 29, 2007, 08:24 AM

if i can recall correctly, there was months ago, i used to see Gigabyte tech support taiwan-based had suggested to a user who had problem with overclocking his CPU and memory with Gigabyte P35 boards... to push voltage of FSB and MCH up to +0.25V, more than that may have stable issue, and they suggested that to increase core voltage and DDR2 voltage instead. i don’t think i will be able to find the message board any more. however, i also have seen before that some people suggests that it's a must to use PCIe / FSB / MCH +0.30V and PCIe frequency to Auto, this when you need to overclock CPU FSB to something like 550-575 MHz.
however, personally, all i can remember that all i have been using at the most was...
FSB / MCH +0.25V and PCIe +0.20V for my highest FSB wall overclocking attempts... 540x6, 533x7, 520x8... on my P35-DS4 and E6750.

i don't know the rest of voltage settings that are now availble in your board, the X38-DQ6. if i have the board myself, i'll be a newbie to it again.
however, i can be wrong, but my guessing is that, you probably won't need to worry about the rest of voltage settings yet, not for a low overclock anyway.

ChaosMinionX · Nov 29, 2007, 06:10 PM

This might help since its an X38 board, but the asus ones take the following usually for quad OCing...

vCore- Anywhere from 1.35-1.55v
NB Voltage - 1.4-1.55v (can go up to 1.6v for quick bench stability)
FSB Voltage- 1.4-1.5v (can go higher if needed for benching)
CPU PLL Voltage- 1.5-1.7v (very important not to crank this voltage out, as it can cause damage to your CPU faster than alot of other things)

If their are any NB/CPU Reference Voltages aka (GTL) .63x on CPU and .61/.67x on NB

Southbridge - default is like 1.076v

Hope that helps

PangingJr · Nov 29, 2007, 07:11 PM

here an example of a board similar to yours, Judas

QX6850 @ 3.6GHz simple setup in BIOS with 9x400 and memory timing and memory voltage
leave core voltage, MCH, FSB and all other voltage settings to stock

XtremeSystems Forums - View Single Post - Official GIGABYTE X38-DQ6/X38T-DQ6 Info/BIOS Thread

yours may not be able to do 400x9 with stock volts, so try 400x8 (3.2GHz),
just try changing your BIOS to 400x8 and try memory multi 2.0x or 2.4x, timing at 5-5-5-15, and add DDR2 voltage if needed, that's it, and try booting to memtest and then Windows.

ChaosMinionX · Nov 30, 2007, 04:29 AM

Hey pang, by next week or a little after I will have a new X38 DDR3 board, and 4GB of Corsair Dominator 1800C7DFIN.... also water cooling will be going in.

Will post up some results if youd like to compare ram and whatnot.

Judas · Nov 30, 2007, 08:04 AM

haven't had a chance to try any of this quite yet...

i'm busy trying to get a stable internet connection..... gonna get rid of this bloody PCI wireless adapter.. i think it's causeing stability issues.

PangingJr · Nov 30, 2007, 12:59 PM

whenever you can. but hurry up Judas, you know i kid you.

Chaos..., that i would like to see. it will be best if you could get a QX9650 too,
it seems like it will run quite cool as everywhere i go i've been seeing it do so.
WaterCooling Uk :: View topic - My QX9650 ES @ 4330 AIR!!!

ChaosMinionX · Dec 4, 2007, 09:01 AM

Well decided on getting Dominator 8888C4DF they are fastest DDR2 Corsair makes, and 1800C7DF from what I saw gets beat by these sticks when they are tightened down.

So 4GB of that, got them from ZZF for $510 a kit, not bad considering they used to be like $700

PangingJr · Dec 4, 2007, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Well decided on getting Dominator 8888C4DF they are fastest DDR2 Corsair makes, and 1800C7DF from what I saw gets beat by these sticks when they are tightened down.

So 4GB of that, got them from ZZF for $510 a kit, not bad considering they used to be like $700

i think the memory kit probably uses the same chips with your old memory kit, and the main different would probably be the Serial presence-detect (SPD) and EPP data of each memory kit. personally i am not up to this myself, but i know for a fact that a friend of mine and some overclockers knows how to rewrite the SPD info and they are able to modify a certain memory kit's SPD info and to make it overclock more further and better. anyways, the memory kit is too expensive for me. with its price, i would not buy it. there are many other good DDR2 memory available. but anyway, don't forget to show me some results.

ChaosMinionX · Dec 4, 2007, 06:23 PM

Same ICs, but better overclocking really. Also my 6400C3DF were discontinued

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ChaosMinionX USB 3 dot oh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,911 Rep Power: 45 System Specs	This might help since its an X38 board, but the asus ones take the following usually for quad OCing... vCore- Anywhere from 1.35-1.55v NB Voltage - 1.4-1.55v (can go up to 1.6v for quick bench stability) FSB Voltage- 1.4-1.5v (can go higher if needed for benching) CPU PLL Voltage- 1.5-1.7v (very important not to crank this voltage out, as it can cause damage to your CPU faster than alot of other things) If their are any NB/CPU Reference Voltages aka (GTL) .63x on CPU and .61/.67x on NB Southbridge - default is like 1.076v Hope that helps __________________ ::Heatware:: How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

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Nov 28, 2007, 05:37 AM	#1572
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	i happen to know what to say, i think you are newbie to all this overclocking. you don't seem to know what you are doing yet. i like to suggest you don't play with the advanced memory timing settings in BIOS just yet. there is a time when the settings in BIOS is a must, on a certain motherboard, RAM and on a cetain system and memory overclocking attempts. but for a low overclock like you are trying to do at this point, the memory subtiming can be done later. right now you are new to your hardware (motherboard, RAM and CPU) and also new to overclocking. so you are now at 350x9 3.15GHz and stable, correct? what is your memory spec, i mean the spec of the memeory from its maker, for example, 2x2GB DDR2 800 5-5-5-15 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) 1.8V? what is the stepping of your CPU, G0? what is CPU Vid value, 1.25, 1.27, 1.32?

Nov 28, 2007, 06:12 AM	#1574
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	yes you are newbie to this overclocking, it means this system, this hardware, this motherboard and RAM and CPU. i was not talking about the other system you have been using before. anyways, i think the CPU you have is a B3 stepping. as far as i know the Gigabyte board, my board never like too much volts into it, too much core voltage, too much chipset voltage won't work with the board. you board might be the same. when i have time, later i will see if i can help you get to 3.2GHz of cpu speed, and a good memory sub system settings.

Nov 28, 2007, 06:34 AM	#1576
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	i think i have seen many people running that CPU at 3.2GHz and at 1.325V on Gigabyte "P35" many times before. it's your memory settings and voltage settings. for a good start and maybe that is all you need is 3.2Ghz, however, like i said, i can't do it right now, so later.

Nov 29, 2007, 06:12 AM	#1580
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	don't worry about the memory timings, soon as you can overclock the processor and stable at 3.2GHz you can work on all the system memory settings. and then later you can try a higher overclocking a bit more.

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PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	if i can recall correctly, there was months ago, i used to see Gigabyte tech support taiwan-based had suggested to a user who had problem with overclocking his CPU and memory with Gigabyte P35 boards... to push voltage of FSB and MCH up to +0.25V, more than that may have stable issue, and they suggested that to increase core voltage and DDR2 voltage instead. i don’t think i will be able to find the message board any more. however, i also have seen before that some people suggests that it's a must to use PCIe / FSB / MCH +0.30V and PCIe frequency to Auto, this when you need to overclock CPU FSB to something like 550-575 MHz. however, personally, all i can remember that all i have been using at the most was... FSB / MCH +0.25V and PCIe +0.20V for my highest FSB wall overclocking attempts... 540x6, 533x7, 520x8... on my P35-DS4 and E6750. i don't know the rest of voltage settings that are now availble in your board, the X38-DQ6. if i have the board myself, i'll be a newbie to it again. however, i can be wrong, but my guessing is that, you probably won't need to worry about the rest of voltage settings yet, not for a low overclock anyway.

Nov 29, 2007, 07:11 PM	#1584
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	here an example of a board similar to yours, Judas QX6850 @ 3.6GHz simple setup in BIOS with 9x400 and memory timing and memory voltage leave core voltage, MCH, FSB and all other voltage settings to stock XtremeSystems Forums - View Single Post - Official GIGABYTE X38-DQ6/X38T-DQ6 Info/BIOS Thread yours may not be able to do 400x9 with stock volts, so try 400x8 (3.2GHz), just try changing your BIOS to 400x8 and try memory multi 2.0x or 2.4x, timing at 5-5-5-15, and add DDR2 voltage if needed, that's it, and try booting to memtest and then Windows.

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PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	whenever you can. but hurry up Judas, you know i kid you. Chaos..., that i would like to see. it will be best if you could get a QX9650 too, it seems like it will run quite cool as everywhere i go i've been seeing it do so. WaterCooling Uk :: View topic - My QX9650 ES @ 4330 AIR!!!

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