P4 Hyperthreading off/on

Zardon · Mar 20, 2004, 10:17 PM

Anyone ran benchies on their P4 with hyperthreading off and on? the P4 overclocks higher with hyperthreading off, but i found a massive drop in sandra arithmetic and multimedia tests. pcmark02 and 3dmark01 are fine.. just those specific sandra tests.

im sure this is well known, but its the first time ive ran with HT off......

Judas · Mar 20, 2004, 10:28 PM

saposedly... game preformance will increase....

zerodamage · Mar 20, 2004, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Judas
saposedly... game preformance will increase....

Game performance increase off or on?

Zardon · Mar 20, 2004, 10:34 PM

well 3dmark01 should be the indicator of that to a certain extent and I saw no differences, except you can overclock 50-100mhz higher with HT off. unfortunately the sandra benchies show that the threading is obviously doing something to those tests........

arithmetic dropped from high 11k to high 9k and I normally get 30/42k in multimedia, that dropped quite a bit too. everything else I tried was the same (of course 70mhz higher).... interesting.

Judas · Mar 21, 2004, 12:26 AM

nice to see Ut2004 results.... still very much interesting...

zerodamage · Mar 21, 2004, 12:48 AM

I saw this bench somewhere when HT was first shown off and tested and what it showed was that either the game or application stayed the same or improved without a loss. So for a game or Benchmark to get better with it off doens't make any sense, especially since you'd think 2 cpu's would be better than one.

Necrosis · Mar 21, 2004, 01:41 AM

As far as I understand same games do use HT but for the life of me I'm not sure which ones. Besides what is the point of leaving it off? You can overclock a bit faster but lose some of the dual sex appeal. HT is one of the reasons I even went the route I did.

1. FSB
2. HT

Well 3..Video Encoding.

zerodamage · Mar 21, 2004, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Necrosis
As far as I understand same games do use HT but for the life of me I'm not sure which ones. Besides what is the point of leaving it off? You can overclock a bit faster but lose some of the dual sex appeal. HT is one of the reasons I even went the route I did.

1. FSB
2. HT

Well 3..Video Encoding.

The reasons why I may go that route this summer.

Necrosis · Mar 21, 2004, 01:54 AM

Eventually I will be going back to AMD no doubt but heck I can still keep this around for specific work, and heck have something for folks to game at home /w me.

**dj_stick** · Mar 21, 2004, 06:26 AM

the program would have to be optimised to use 2 CPU's to make use of HT technology

Zardon · Mar 21, 2004, 09:07 AM

an interesting article

Vampyromaniac · Mar 21, 2004, 09:25 AM

nice, in-depth explanation (not for the faint of heart

)

a PDF I've not read yet

couple more:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...ax5-p4-ht.html
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...,793451,00.asp
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,674119,00.asp

But I wouldn't be concerned with the synthetic benchmarks, just go with your real experiences

Zardon · Mar 21, 2004, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
nice, in-depth explanation (not for the faint of heart )

a PDF I've not read yet

couple more:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...ax5-p4-ht.html
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...,793451,00.asp
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,674119,00.asp

But I wouldn't be concerned with the synthetic benchmarks, just go with your real experiences

some nice linkages indeed. Its been interesting to find out you can overclock the processor higher with HT off, but I dont see any benefits really from what I have done, except 3dmark which scores higher with HT off (big deal who cares about 3dmark01 anymore anyway). sandra scores lower, real world performance well its hard to tell I cant see much difference because the machine does everything virtually instantly with it on or off. I guess for multitasking HT on is a benefit as it breaks tasks up between the virtual processors.

Vampyromaniac · Mar 21, 2004, 10:18 AM

might as well leave it on then, for those multi-tasking situations. Have you tried any rendering with it on or off?

Zardon · Mar 21, 2004, 10:33 AM

yes certain applications use it, quite substantial differences in some cases, even some photoshop filters are 30% faster, ive ran tests this morning. its staying on for sure.

pr0digal jenius · Mar 22, 2004, 12:15 AM

HT is amazing...why would anyone turn it off...and as near as I can tell OCing differences are miniscule as I have not yet found them (i'm about 500 MHz over stock on aircooling with HT enabled, and I can hit 750 over stock, btu temperatures begin to get iffy when i load it up). I use gordian Knot and VirtualDub a lot, and well, HT makes those processes MUCH faster(perhaps 10-20 minutes difference) as for gaming, if your CPU si fast enough and new enough to even have HT as an option, i highly doubt it is to any advantage (69fps is no better then 60fps) to disable it for those few extra clock cycles

DriveEuro · Mar 26, 2004, 04:09 AM

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Originally posted by Judas
saposedly... game preformance will increase....

Almost no games benefit from it. HT only allows most programs to just use 50% of CPU power. But some things, such as F@H benefit from HT. A dedicated folding rig increases output by roughly 20% with HT enabled.

Quote:

Originally posted by Necrosis
As far as I understand same games do use HT but for the life of me I'm not sure which ones. Besides what is the point of leaving it off? You can overclock a bit faster but lose some of the dual sex appeal. HT is one of the reasons I even went the route I did.

1. FSB
2. HT

Well 3..Video Encoding.

NO, doesn't help on video encoding. Load up divx and encode a video, only allow 50% of CPU usage.

Vampyromaniac · Mar 26, 2004, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DriveEuro
NO, doesn't help on video encoding. Load up divx and encode a video, only allow 50% of CPU usage.

he wasn't saying HT helped in that . . . he was listing reasons he bought a P4

DriveEuro · Mar 26, 2004, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
he wasn't saying HT helped in that . . . he was listing reasons he bought a P4

Um, well HT doesn't help in video encoding... Unless some encoders have recently changed their software....

Vampyromaniac · Mar 26, 2004, 04:29 AM

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Originally posted by DriveEuro
Um, well HT doesn't help in video encoding...

Again . . . nobody said that it did.

No_Style · Mar 26, 2004, 04:38 AM

Be sure to turn on HT options in games which allow it. A lot of the time it's in the config file. I know Q3 based games have that option. For sure RTCW does.

Mar 20, 2004, 10:17 PM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	P4 Hyperthreading off/on Anyone ran benchies on their P4 with hyperthreading off and on? the P4 overclocks higher with hyperthreading off, but i found a massive drop in sandra arithmetic and multimedia tests. pcmark02 and 3dmark01 are fine.. just those specific sandra tests. im sure this is well known, but its the first time ive ran with HT off......

Mar 21, 2004, 09:25 AM	#12
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	nice, in-depth explanation (not for the faint of heart ) a PDF I've not read yet couple more: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...ax5-p4-ht.html http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...,793451,00.asp http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,674119,00.asp But I wouldn't be concerned with the synthetic benchmarks, just go with your real experiences __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Mar 21, 2004, 10:18 AM	#14
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	might as well leave it on then, for those multi-tasking situations. Have you tried any rendering with it on or off? __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Mar 26, 2004, 04:38 AM	#21
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	HT on if I had it Be sure to turn on HT options in games which allow it. A lot of the time it's in the config file. I know Q3 based games have that option. For sure RTCW does. __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Mar 20, 2004, 10:34 PM	Thread Starter #4
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	well 3dmark01 should be the indicator of that to a certain extent and I saw no differences, except you can overclock 50-100mhz higher with HT off. unfortunately the sandra benchies show that the threading is obviously doing something to those tests........ arithmetic dropped from high 11k to high 9k and I normally get 30/42k in multimedia, that dropped quite a bit too. everything else I tried was the same (of course 70mhz higher).... interesting.

Mar 21, 2004, 12:48 AM	#6
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I saw this bench somewhere when HT was first shown off and tested and what it showed was that either the game or application stayed the same or improved without a loss. So for a game or Benchmark to get better with it off doens't make any sense, especially since you'd think 2 cpu's would be better than one.

Mar 21, 2004, 01:41 AM	#7
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	As far as I understand same games do use HT but for the life of me I'm not sure which ones. Besides what is the point of leaving it off? You can overclock a bit faster but lose some of the dual sex appeal. HT is one of the reasons I even went the route I did. 1. FSB 2. HT Well 3..Video Encoding.

Mar 21, 2004, 01:54 AM	#9
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Eventually I will be going back to AMD no doubt but heck I can still keep this around for specific work, and heck have something for folks to game at home /w me.

Mar 21, 2004, 09:07 AM	Thread Starter #11
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	an interesting article

Mar 21, 2004, 10:33 AM	Thread Starter #15
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	yes certain applications use it, quite substantial differences in some cases, even some photoshop filters are 30% faster, ive ran tests this morning. its staying on for sure.

Mar 22, 2004, 12:15 AM	#16
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	HT is amazing...why would anyone turn it off...and as near as I can tell OCing differences are miniscule as I have not yet found them (i'm about 500 MHz over stock on aircooling with HT enabled, and I can hit 750 over stock, btu temperatures begin to get iffy when i load it up). I use gordian Knot and VirtualDub a lot, and well, HT makes those processes MUCH faster(perhaps 10-20 minutes difference) as for gaming, if your CPU si fast enough and new enough to even have HT as an option, i highly doubt it is to any advantage (69fps is no better then 60fps) to disable it for those few extra clock cycles