help with p-4 cpu cooling kit

ledzep · Jul 24, 2004, 02:54 PM

hi all.
after im getting the VGA silencer to oc my 9800pro
im thinking of doing some basic overclocking to my p-4 2.4C , i won't start playing with it before i get some proper heat sink + fan (no water cooling pls) , was thinking of the thermallight sp-4
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...109-012&depa=0
but there are so many other that look good like gigabyte, zalaman ,coolmaster, thermaltake etc

what do you think? there are so many cpu cooloers out there im a little lost.

TIA ,ledzep.

Necrosis · Jul 24, 2004, 04:56 PM

Great cooler...Thermalright is the best. Just pick out a nice fan for it.

ledzep · Jul 24, 2004, 05:10 PM

ok thanks,
i got a gigabyte mobo how are the gigabyte coolers?
http://tw.giga-byte.com/Peripherals/...oduct_List.htm

what is a good fan for the thermallight?

tia , ledzep

mike2h · Jul 24, 2004, 05:28 PM

my swiftech takes my 2.4 to just over 3.1 with a 51 deg temp after 6hrs of p95 torture test. this with an evercool 80mm aluminum fan on it.

ledzep · Jul 24, 2004, 06:02 PM

G thanks mike2h

, more more give me some more

Necrosis · Jul 24, 2004, 07:03 PM

Guess thing I have to ask first is noise a big concern?

Zardon · Jul 24, 2004, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ledzep
what is a good fan for the thermallight?

tia , ledzep

92mm Ystech fan - best CFM to DB ratio - 50cfm 30db...... pretty hard to get in certain parts of the world mind you.

ledzep · Jul 24, 2004, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Necrosis
Guess thing I have to ask first is noise a big concern?

depends how much noise, i now have the stock p-4 fan working at around 3500-4000rpm and its fine and not loud, how much extra noise will a 92mm fan make compared to the stock p-4 fan?

i read that the delta 92x92x38mm produces 110.18 CFM @ 4800 RPM with 55.0 dBA
how loud is that compared to the stock p-4 fan?

thanks , ledzep.

Zardon · Jul 24, 2004, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ledzep
i read that the delta 92x92x38mm produces 110.18 CFM @ 4800 RPM with 55.0 dBA
how load is that compared to the stock p-4 fan?

thanks , ledzep.

**covers ears** 55db analogy time - go get the lawnmower, put it next to your case, turn it on. insane. and you DONT need a fan like this with a heatsink as good as an SLK its a serious chunk of copper , thats the whole joy of an SLK, you can use a high quality 92mm fan (like the YSTECH I mentioned) which will give more than adequate cooling. people buy these fans and strap on vantec tornados or 60db deltas. its insane !!

Falstaff · Jul 24, 2004, 07:16 PM

I dont know, Jet aircraft generate 80db...

mike2h · Jul 24, 2004, 07:17 PM

loud. 3db difference gives you a noticeable difference, 10 db doubles the spl. i would GUESS that you are looking at min 20db. those stock intel fans are reasonably quite.
zardon is riht on about that fan. good place to see power req/spl/cfm differences/ratios is over at directron. they have a wide selection of fans with stats.

Zardon · Jul 24, 2004, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fallang_jeff
I dont know, Jet aircraft generate 80db...

A 120mm delta (weighing very little) hits over 60db (and an output of 200cfm), lets put a noise to size ratio up - the delta whips the jet airplane

Zardon · Jul 24, 2004, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike2h
loud. 3db difference gives you a noticeable difference, 10 db doubles the spl. i would GUESS that you are looking at min 20db. those stock intel fans are reasonably quite.

normally between 30-39db for a stock intel fan. (the newer PCIe cpu fans are self adjusting variable).

Falstaff · Jul 24, 2004, 07:19 PM

just a thought really

Zardon · Jul 24, 2004, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fallang_jeff
just a thought really

yah had one, good fan and heatsink combo - quiet too, no good for overclocking though.

SLK and 92mm fan is the way to go for performance.

Falstaff · Jul 24, 2004, 07:22 PM

crap, seemed logical, but then I dont really OC, just bump the bus and jack the volage a little, till I feel guilty

Zardon · Jul 24, 2004, 07:24 PM

jacking voltage on your CPU with a 7000 zalman is risky. they arent really meant for overclocking. I would push the chip as far as I could with a zalman silent cooler but only on stock volts.

ledzep · Jul 24, 2004, 07:25 PM

wow i didnt know that , real loud then.
now the problem is that i cant get the ystech in israel , can i mound a 80mm fan on the thermalright? if not then maybe ill have to drop the idea of getting it as 92mm fans are not very common here.

back to the drawing table?

ledzep.

Zardon · Jul 24, 2004, 07:26 PM

the SLKs come with mounting brackets for 80mms and 92mms you are fine, you will have to compromise a little with the smaller blades of the 80mms just try and keep the db under 45db (if possible get a controller to adjust yourself until you find the sweetest DB to CFM).

Falstaff · Jul 24, 2004, 07:29 PM

Quote:

jacking voltage on your CPU with a 7000 zalman is risky. they arent really meant for overclocking. I would push the chip as far as I could with a zalman silent cooler but only on stock volts.

my biggest thing is instablity with the OS, I am always concerned about XP professional and the subsequent problems one can have with system timing as well, or are my fears unfounded?
hey ledzep

Zardon · Jul 24, 2004, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fallang_jeff
my biggest thing is instablity with the OS, I am always concerned about XP professional and the subsequent problems one can have with system timing as well, or are my fears unfounded?

are you having instability or just concerned? my rule of thumb is this. when overclocking always monitor temps, but under load, meaning rip a DVD or perform a 100% intensive task (use control alt delete to monitor its using all cycles). I dont like seeing over 55c with any cpu regardless of maximum claims from the manufactuers of 80c etc...

Firstly, find the maximum OC without touching core volts most coolers will handle this fine unless you have a silent fan or poor heatsink then dont even try it. If you have a hard-core cooler then start slowly raising volts and overclocking further, pushing the core a little more each time, all the time watching temps with minor adjustments. most people fry hardware by being careless and taking a 1.55 volt cpu to 1.75 volts and overclocking by 600mhz then after 5 minutes they wonder why the screen has gone black and the room smells weird.

Also remember when you are cranking up the fsb that ram is being pushed harder, especially if you are running 1:1 so get memtest+ and test your stability BEFORE hitting the OS, then you are assured if your ram is being pushed too high and cant cope or latencies are too tight you wont risk hosing your os/paging file. easy to hit ESC, go back into bios and relax timings, play with voltages etc. or you can alter the ram divider if its just not up to the task.

Zalman coolers are wonderful, I love them but I dont recommend them for anything serious regarding overclocking, ive taken cpus up 200mhz with stock volts easy enough with these coolers but putting extra core volts into a cpu to push it further is asking for trouble, unless your case temps are low and your temps are decent.

overclocking on air? get an SLK and a good fan - or better yet just get water, then fan noise isnt an issue.

Zardon · Jul 24, 2004, 07:38 PM

ohhhhh check this out!

ledzep · Jul 24, 2004, 07:39 PM

thanks guys appriciate the help and fast replys
so to go with the slk-947U or sp-94 ?

i will use a 80mm fan prefrable with speed control. any suggestions for decent cfm to db fans? i can get coolmaster, thermaltake, spire, enermax, sunbeam, zalaman,and vantec over here.

what im planing is to overclock my p-4 2.4C cpu by finding the max speed using the PRIME95 proggy without volt modding then i will run sys at about 10% lower just for safty , once i will feel sys is stable i may consider some voltmodding.

thanks again , ledzep.

ledzep · Jul 24, 2004, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
ohhhhh check this out!

"The ThermalRight XP-120 can be installed using the stock P4 heatsink retention bracket. Designed for use with Intel Pentium-4 socket 478 3.2 GHz and above only."

to bad im on 2.4C

ledzep · Jul 25, 2004, 01:00 AM

i found this ys tech fan sold as a generic fan for quite cheap its called "ys tech 70mm case fan"

could it be a good fan to mount on the thermalright?

ledzep.

Zardon · Jul 25, 2004, 07:52 AM

no, you want an 80mm or 92mm fan. make sure before you purchase you check the CFM and DB.

ledzep · Jul 25, 2004, 02:53 PM

ok but other then ys tech what other brands of fans i should look at? unfortunatly i ididnt fine a online website that sells ys tech that will ship to israel , what other good online stores are out there that sells & ships internationaly ? thanks ledzep

pr0digal jenius · Jul 25, 2004, 07:02 PM

evercool makes nice fans

GutterPunk · Jul 25, 2004, 07:52 PM

well i use stock hsf and i pull 3.16 and can game all day @ 32 idle 44 after 5 hours of gaming... well its worse now that i dont have 1024 ram... seems my temps went up since i lost a stick

ledzep · Jul 25, 2004, 09:50 PM

thanks guys you really helped me narrow it down.

this are my 3 prefered options (i can't get them here but im sure ill find a website that delivers internationaly or have some friend bring it to me from the usa)

1.Antec - smartcool 92mm thermaly controled with temp sensor.
at 30c ->33cfm @ 1680rpm with 26.7dba
at 50c ->40cfm @ 2070rpm with 31dba

2.EverCool - AL9025B case fan 92mm cfm's 30.66/38.35/48.5 @ rpm's 1800/2200/2600 with noise of dba 24/26/28 respectivly (so i guess its manualy controled rpm?).

3.Enermax UC-9FAB 92mm manual speed control cfm(max) 33.25 @ 2300rpm with 29.8dba.

all are around the same price range for me and all should fit fine on the Thermalright slk-947U or slk-978U.

what do you think is the best?

TIA ledzep.

Jul 24, 2004, 02:54 PM	#1
ledzep DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0	help with p-4 cpu cooling kit hi all. after im getting the VGA silencer to oc my 9800pro im thinking of doing some basic overclocking to my p-4 2.4C , i won't start playing with it before i get some proper heat sink + fan (no water cooling pls) , was thinking of the thermallight sp-4 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...109-012&depa=0 but there are so many other that look good like gigabyte, zalaman ,coolmaster, thermaltake etc what do you think? there are so many cpu cooloers out there im a little lost. TIA ,ledzep. __________________ [color=limegreen]P4 2.4C@3.2ghz \| 4xGeil 256MB PC3200@2.5,4,4,8 \| Thermaltake silent purepower 480W \| ATI 9800 Pro 128mb (r350) + ATI Silencer #1 max@440/370 \| Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 Rev1.0 \| SB Realtech AC97 Audio onboard \| 2IBM (120+80GB, 8mb Buffer)@7200rpm \| WinXP Pro SP-1\| DX 9.0c & UniAN 5.6\| LG Flatron 775ft (17")@1024768\|[/color] [color=palegreen]aquamark03-> 52,306 \| 6,561<-3dmark03[/color] [color=yellow]3Dprof - try it![/color] Last edited by ledzep; Jul 24, 2004 at 04:56 PM.

Jul 24, 2004, 05:10 PM	Thread Starter #3
ledzep DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0	ok thanks, i got a gigabyte mobo how are the gigabyte coolers? http://tw.giga-byte.com/Peripherals/...oduct_List.htm what is a good fan for the thermallight? tia , ledzep __________________ [color=limegreen]P4 2.4C@3.2ghz \| 4xGeil 256MB PC3200@2.5,4,4,8 \| Thermaltake silent purepower 480W \| ATI 9800 Pro 128mb (r350) + ATI Silencer #1 max@440/370 \| Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 Rev1.0 \| SB Realtech AC97 Audio onboard \| 2IBM (120+80GB, 8mb Buffer)@7200rpm \| WinXP Pro SP-1\| DX 9.0c & UniAN 5.6\| LG Flatron 775ft (17")@1024768\|[/color] [color=palegreen]aquamark03-> 52,306 \| 6,561<-3dmark03[/color] [color=yellow]3Dprof - try it![/color]

Jul 24, 2004, 05:28 PM	#4
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	my swiftech takes my 2.4 to just over 3.1 with a 51 deg temp after 6hrs of p95 torture test. this with an evercool 80mm aluminum fan on it. __________________

Jul 24, 2004, 06:02 PM	Thread Starter #5
ledzep DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0	G thanks mike2h , more more give me some more __________________ [color=limegreen]P4 2.4C@3.2ghz \| 4xGeil 256MB PC3200@2.5,4,4,8 \| Thermaltake silent purepower 480W \| ATI 9800 Pro 128mb (r350) + ATI Silencer #1 max@440/370 \| Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 Rev1.0 \| SB Realtech AC97 Audio onboard \| 2IBM (120+80GB, 8mb Buffer)@7200rpm \| WinXP Pro SP-1\| DX 9.0c & UniAN 5.6\| LG Flatron 775ft (17")@1024768\|[/color] [color=palegreen]aquamark03-> 52,306 \| 6,561<-3dmark03[/color] [color=yellow]3Dprof - try it![/color]

Jul 24, 2004, 07:16 PM	#10
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	I dont know, Jet aircraft generate 80db... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jul 24, 2004, 04:56 PM	#2
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Great cooler...Thermalright is the best. Just pick out a nice fan for it.

Jul 24, 2004, 07:03 PM	#6
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Guess thing I have to ask first is noise a big concern?

Jul 24, 2004, 07:17 PM	#11
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	loud. 3db difference gives you a noticeable difference, 10 db doubles the spl. i would GUESS that you are looking at min 20db. those stock intel fans are reasonably quite. zardon is riht on about that fan. good place to see power req/spl/cfm differences/ratios is over at directron. they have a wide selection of fans with stats. __________________

Jul 24, 2004, 07:19 PM	#14
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	just a thought really __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jul 24, 2004, 07:22 PM	#16
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	crap, seemed logical, but then I dont really OC, just bump the bus and jack the volage a little, till I feel guilty __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jul 24, 2004, 07:24 PM	#17
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	jacking voltage on your CPU with a 7000 zalman is risky. they arent really meant for overclocking. I would push the chip as far as I could with a zalman silent cooler but only on stock volts.

Jul 24, 2004, 07:25 PM	Thread Starter #18
ledzep DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0	wow i didnt know that , real loud then. now the problem is that i cant get the ystech in israel , can i mound a 80mm fan on the thermalright? if not then maybe ill have to drop the idea of getting it as 92mm fans are not very common here. back to the drawing table? ledzep. __________________ [color=limegreen]P4 2.4C@3.2ghz \| 4xGeil 256MB PC3200@2.5,4,4,8 \| Thermaltake silent purepower 480W \| ATI 9800 Pro 128mb (r350) + ATI Silencer #1 max@440/370 \| Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 Rev1.0 \| SB Realtech AC97 Audio onboard \| 2IBM (120+80GB, 8mb Buffer)@7200rpm \| WinXP Pro SP-1\| DX 9.0c & UniAN 5.6\| LG Flatron 775ft (17")@1024768\|[/color] [color=palegreen]aquamark03-> 52,306 \| 6,561<-3dmark03[/color] [color=yellow]3Dprof - try it![/color]

Jul 24, 2004, 07:26 PM	#19
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	the SLKs come with mounting brackets for 80mms and 92mms you are fine, you will have to compromise a little with the smaller blades of the 80mms just try and keep the db under 45db (if possible get a controller to adjust yourself until you find the sweetest DB to CFM).

Jul 24, 2004, 07:38 PM	#22
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	ohhhhh check this out!

Jul 24, 2004, 07:39 PM	Thread Starter #23
ledzep DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0	thanks guys appriciate the help and fast replys so to go with the slk-947U or sp-94 ? i will use a 80mm fan prefrable with speed control. any suggestions for decent cfm to db fans? i can get coolmaster, thermaltake, spire, enermax, sunbeam, zalaman,and vantec over here. what im planing is to overclock my p-4 2.4C cpu by finding the max speed using the PRIME95 proggy without volt modding then i will run sys at about 10% lower just for safty , once i will feel sys is stable i may consider some voltmodding. thanks again , ledzep. __________________ [color=limegreen]P4 2.4C@3.2ghz \| 4xGeil 256MB PC3200@2.5,4,4,8 \| Thermaltake silent purepower 480W \| ATI 9800 Pro 128mb (r350) + ATI Silencer #1 max@440/370 \| Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 Rev1.0 \| SB Realtech AC97 Audio onboard \| 2IBM (120+80GB, 8mb Buffer)@7200rpm \| WinXP Pro SP-1\| DX 9.0c & UniAN 5.6\| LG Flatron 775ft (17")@1024768\|[/color] [color=palegreen]aquamark03-> 52,306 \| 6,561<-3dmark03[/color] [color=yellow]3Dprof - try it![/color]

Jul 25, 2004, 01:00 AM	Thread Starter #25
ledzep DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0	i found this ys tech fan sold as a generic fan for quite cheap its called "ys tech 70mm case fan" could it be a good fan to mount on the thermalright? ledzep. __________________ [color=limegreen]P4 2.4C@3.2ghz \| 4xGeil 256MB PC3200@2.5,4,4,8 \| Thermaltake silent purepower 480W \| ATI 9800 Pro 128mb (r350) + ATI Silencer #1 max@440/370 \| Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 Rev1.0 \| SB Realtech AC97 Audio onboard \| 2IBM (120+80GB, 8mb Buffer)@7200rpm \| WinXP Pro SP-1\| DX 9.0c & UniAN 5.6\| LG Flatron 775ft (17")@1024768\|[/color] [color=palegreen]aquamark03-> 52,306 \| 6,561<-3dmark03[/color] [color=yellow]3Dprof - try it![/color]

Jul 25, 2004, 07:52 AM	#26
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	no, you want an 80mm or 92mm fan. make sure before you purchase you check the CFM and DB.

Jul 25, 2004, 02:53 PM	Thread Starter #27
ledzep DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0	ok but other then ys tech what other brands of fans i should look at? unfortunatly i ididnt fine a online website that sells ys tech that will ship to israel , what other good online stores are out there that sells & ships internationaly ? thanks ledzep __________________ [color=limegreen]P4 2.4C@3.2ghz \| 4xGeil 256MB PC3200@2.5,4,4,8 \| Thermaltake silent purepower 480W \| ATI 9800 Pro 128mb (r350) + ATI Silencer #1 max@440/370 \| Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 Rev1.0 \| SB Realtech AC97 Audio onboard \| 2IBM (120+80GB, 8mb Buffer)@7200rpm \| WinXP Pro SP-1\| DX 9.0c & UniAN 5.6\| LG Flatron 775ft (17")@1024768\|[/color] [color=palegreen]aquamark03-> 52,306 \| 6,561<-3dmark03[/color] [color=yellow]3Dprof - try it![/color]

Jul 25, 2004, 07:02 PM	#28
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	evercool makes nice fans

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Jul 25, 2004, 09:50 PM	Thread Starter #30
ledzep DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0	thanks guys you really helped me narrow it down. this are my 3 prefered options (i can't get them here but im sure ill find a website that delivers internationaly or have some friend bring it to me from the usa) 1.Antec - smartcool 92mm thermaly controled with temp sensor. at 30c ->33cfm @ 1680rpm with 26.7dba at 50c ->40cfm @ 2070rpm with 31dba 2.EverCool - AL9025B case fan 92mm cfm's 30.66/38.35/48.5 @ rpm's 1800/2200/2600 with noise of dba 24/26/28 respectivly (so i guess its manualy controled rpm?). 3.Enermax UC-9FAB 92mm manual speed control cfm(max) 33.25 @ 2300rpm with 29.8dba. all are around the same price range for me and all should fit fine on the Thermalright slk-947U or slk-978U. what do you think is the best? TIA ledzep. __________________ [color=limegreen]P4 2.4C@3.2ghz \| 4xGeil 256MB PC3200@2.5,4,4,8 \| Thermaltake silent purepower 480W \| ATI 9800 Pro 128mb (r350) + ATI Silencer #1 max@440/370 \| Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 Rev1.0 \| SB Realtech AC97 Audio onboard \| 2IBM (120+80GB, 8mb Buffer)@7200rpm \| WinXP Pro SP-1\| DX 9.0c & UniAN 5.6\| LG Flatron 775ft (17")@1024768\|[/color] [color=palegreen]aquamark03-> 52,306 \| 6,561<-3dmark03[/color] [color=yellow]3Dprof - try it![/color] Last edited by ledzep; Jul 26, 2004 at 10:21 AM.