Who wants to help the new guy?

StuBee · Aug 8, 2004, 05:39 PM

I've been pondering overclocking me PC for a few weeks now..... (didn't want to do it before as the aircooling didn't seem to be cutting it an everything was tending to get a bit hot. However i've now got a nice Waterchill kit fitted to it and everything is nice and cold

) The only thing is i don't have a clue where to start with overclocking!! Anyone got any suggestions on where to start/what to do? don't be afraid to dumb things down (hell it would probably help if you did cos i've got no clue!) PC spec below, along with some benchmarks i've been getting as well. Any links/help anyone can give would be a life saver as i ain't got a clue... i fear to say i maybe a n00b

but i suppose we all got to start somwhere!

CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ @ 2.0 GHz
CPU Temperatures: Idle 31-34c: Load 41- 43c
Motherboard: Asus K8V/SE Deluxe
Graphics Card: Radeon X800 PRO: using the latest Omega drivers
Hard drive: Maxtor 80Gb SATA
Optical drive: NEC DVD RW ND-2500A(CD 40X Rd, 32X Wr)(DVD 5X Rd, 4X Wr)
Memory: Corsair (CMX512-3200LLPT) 512MB
Power Supply Mercury 450w
Cooling: Astek Waterchill Antartica (CPU, and GFX, chipset cooler won’t really fit!) Plus 2, 80mm Coolmaster fans at the front and back of case. Also there is no side on the cae as it all wouldn't fit in the ickle Coolmaster case i've got

BENCHMARKING:

3dmark2003 11220
Pcmark2004: 4034

SANDRA

MEMORY BANDWIDTH: 3475
CPU ARITHMETIC Dhrystone: 8597, Whetstone: 3155
CPU MULTIMEDIA Integer: 19067, Floating point: 20505

~~HawK~~ · Aug 8, 2004, 05:54 PM

Not an O.C. myself but can give you some basic tip's
I doesn't really matter where you start CPU FSB or VideoCard..
But keep this in mind:
O.C. one part at the time, slowly go higher until you have the top speed reached
set it just under that top where it still is stable, and then test it heavy for at least 24 hours, then go on with your next step.. and so on
Because; if you overclock every thing at once, it is hard to find out where it fails.

I'm sure you have more questions, and the real O.C.'s will know more

StuBee · Aug 8, 2004, 06:00 PM

Thanks Hawk, should have said the scores i'm getting are with the gfx card overclocked @ a core or 520/ mem @ 550 and it is stable enough, i've been running it like this for a few days with no problems

Only reason i managed to OC the gfx is there are nice tools like ATITool (the person that wrote it is great!)

Its more the cpu/fsb/mem i need help with overclocking. I've got no clue where to start with these, i guess they are all BIOS settings i change, but dont know what ones or anything! i did spy an overclocking option in my BIOS but didn't play with it! (was too scared as i didn't know what the options did!)

SIK_L_CELL · Aug 8, 2004, 06:11 PM

Well I just built my 64 rig so I too am new to the 64's, but the same old techniques still hold true.

First drop your multi to something like 6 and the HT to 3x and start raising the memory till you find its max.
Then drop the mem and start to go up on the multi till you reach max cpu. The trick is to find the happy medium of all the components. Like I said with the 64's no longer can you just raise the FSB and go this is different. Good luck.

I just saw that you have an ASUS board. Does thet have an AGP lock? If not that will hold back your overclock.

~~HawK~~ · Aug 8, 2004, 06:17 PM

Ah, I see that new eh

Go to rojakspot and find his bios opt. guide long read but it is a start
Here you can learn to tweak your OS to the very optimum , no use to overclock the h@ll out your rig if the OS is eating up most.
further do a google on O.C. must be enough although in your case the AMD forums would be a good start

SIK_L_CELL · Aug 8, 2004, 06:19 PM

Cool reads thanks.

G@MeBoY · Aug 9, 2004, 06:03 AM

when I am talking about stable, I mean at least 2 hours of prime95 torture test, and even then you cant be sure. If some of you are talking "stable" like being able to run 3dmark and not being sure if other things will work for more than one hour, I would suggest not to suggest such a things to newcomers since they will probably run into problems with stability...

@all: google for prime95 and if you intend to use your OC-ed machine on clocks that you have specified, run prime95 for AT LEAST 2 hours, when I am satisfied with my OC, I leave prime95 to run for 12hrs, if it reports error i raise voltage a notch or loosen memory timings (these dont matter much to me, a gain of 50mb/s on 3400mb/s isn't much, I think it's not worth it, I'd rather go for stability and higher FSB...).

Thats it from me for now.
cheers !

StuBee · Aug 12, 2004, 05:07 PM

Thanks for the comments lads, i'm just gonna go though that guide on setting up windows

then i'll try some of the other stuff.

Where can i get prime95 from??

Googled but didn't find much

Zelig · Aug 12, 2004, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuBee

Thanks for the comments lads, i'm just gonna go though that guide on setting up windows

then i'll try some of the other stuff.

Where can i get prime95 from??

Googled but didn't find much

Search on google for "prime95", and it should be the on the first link...

StuBee · Aug 12, 2004, 06:38 PM

ah found it now, god i'm a fool!

pr0digal jenius · Aug 12, 2004, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuBee

ah found it now, god i'm a fool!

nope...i got ya beat in that category

i've actually never run this 'prime95' program before...haha...maybe i should go try it

StuBee · Aug 19, 2004, 01:47 PM

Hi, thanks for all the responces people, but i'm still a n00b with no clue!

The only thing i've really manged to do is bump up me FSB, got it up to 219Mhz which is stable enough and there aren't any temp problems thanks to the water cooling. When ever i take the FSB any higher the thing won't even boot! i have to go back to the bios screen and lower the settings again!!

Was reading other posts and though i might try changing some of the voltages for the CPU, but when i change the CPU speed/voltage to manual i have to set a CPU speed and the max i can put it 2 is 2GHz.

and i can set the volts between 0.800v and 1.750v.

Sik, unsure what you ment by-

First drop your multi to something like 6 and the HT to 3x and start raising the memory till you find its max.

I'm a total n00b. i'm guessing its the HyperTransport (only cos i seen that option in the bios) but all i can do it enable HT transtate, muck about with crc floods, change the ht frequency, and have 2 HT data width options. (all of which means nout to me!!!

)

Also from what i've read, yeah i think you're right me mobo has no agp lock.

fingers crossed one of you loverly people will be able to answer me dumb ass questions and tell me what i should be changing

~~HawK~~ · Aug 19, 2004, 01:57 PM

try here it is about the same? board and AGP lock
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...d.php?t=119853

StuBee · Aug 19, 2004, 02:30 PM

i fear i've found the answers to my questions after googling for "K8V/SE Deluxe+agp lock"

It looks like me mobo has no agp/pci lock

this apparently means its rubbish for overclocking

and the best you can hope to get out of it it ~ 200Mhz, i've got 190! guess that will have to do at the mo then! Does this also mean oc'in me mem is out of the questions? if not how do i do that? i will overclock this thing other than the gfx card

(once i know what i'm doing.)

G@MeBoY · Sep 2, 2004, 05:24 AM

you will have to rasie voltage for chipset to get more FSB, and probably loosen some memory latencies and upper the memory voltage....there is no general rule since you two probably have different type of memory modules, but You should be able to go over 200fsb, at least 210. You can also try to se asynhronious memory speed (you have thoese "%" where you choose memory speed, going over 100% will make memory speed/FSB higher than the of a procesor).....

Aug 8, 2004, 05:39 PM	#1
StuBee lurker Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Under a small box in the corner Posts: 356 Rep Power: 67 System Specs	Who wants to help the new guy? I've been pondering overclocking me PC for a few weeks now..... (didn't want to do it before as the aircooling didn't seem to be cutting it an everything was tending to get a bit hot. However i've now got a nice Waterchill kit fitted to it and everything is nice and cold ) The only thing is i don't have a clue where to start with overclocking!! Anyone got any suggestions on where to start/what to do? don't be afraid to dumb things down (hell it would probably help if you did cos i've got no clue!) PC spec below, along with some benchmarks i've been getting as well. Any links/help anyone can give would be a life saver as i ain't got a clue... i fear to say i maybe a n00b but i suppose we all got to start somwhere! CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ @ 2.0 GHz CPU Temperatures: Idle 31-34c: Load 41- 43c Motherboard: Asus K8V/SE Deluxe Graphics Card: Radeon X800 PRO: using the latest Omega drivers Hard drive: Maxtor 80Gb SATA Optical drive: NEC DVD RW ND-2500A(CD 40X Rd, 32X Wr)(DVD 5X Rd, 4X Wr) Memory: Corsair (CMX512-3200LLPT) 512MB Power Supply Mercury 450w Cooling: Astek Waterchill Antartica (CPU, and GFX, chipset cooler won’t really fit!) Plus 2, 80mm Coolmaster fans at the front and back of case. Also there is no side on the cae as it all wouldn't fit in the ickle Coolmaster case i've got BENCHMARKING: 3dmark2003 11220 Pcmark2004: 4034 SANDRA MEMORY BANDWIDTH: 3475 CPU ARITHMETIC Dhrystone: 8597, Whetstone: 3155 CPU MULTIMEDIA Integer: 19067, Floating point: 20505

Aug 8, 2004, 06:11 PM	#4
SIK_L_CELL Cowboy From Hell Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 225 Rep Power: 0	Well I just built my 64 rig so I too am new to the 64's, but the same old techniques still hold true. First drop your multi to something like 6 and the HT to 3x and start raising the memory till you find its max. Then drop the mem and start to go up on the multi till you reach max cpu. The trick is to find the happy medium of all the components. Like I said with the 64's no longer can you just raise the FSB and go this is different. Good luck. I just saw that you have an ASUS board. Does thet have an AGP lock? If not that will hold back your overclock. __________________ FX-55 X850xt DFI SLI-DR Gskill LE 05 - 8152 03 - 17169 01 - 38020 AM3 - 102443

Aug 8, 2004, 06:19 PM	#6
SIK_L_CELL Cowboy From Hell Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 225 Rep Power: 0	Cool reads thanks. __________________ FX-55 X850xt DFI SLI-DR Gskill LE 05 - 8152 03 - 17169 01 - 38020 AM3 - 102443

Aug 9, 2004, 06:03 AM	#7
G@MeBoY makes your mouse tremmble! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Serbia,Livingroom Posts: 247 Rep Power: 0	when I am talking about stable, I mean at least 2 hours of prime95 torture test, and even then you cant be sure. If some of you are talking "stable" like being able to run 3dmark and not being sure if other things will work for more than one hour, I would suggest not to suggest such a things to newcomers since they will probably run into problems with stability... @all: google for prime95 and if you intend to use your OC-ed machine on clocks that you have specified, run prime95 for AT LEAST 2 hours, when I am satisfied with my OC, I leave prime95 to run for 12hrs, if it reports error i raise voltage a notch or loosen memory timings (these dont matter much to me, a gain of 50mb/s on 3400mb/s isn't much, I think it's not worth it, I'd rather go for stability and higher FSB...). Thats it from me for now. cheers ! __________________ -= G@MeBoY =- ::Full color with 3DNOW! tech:: XP2000+ thoroughbred @ 10x230FSB - watter cooled by home made sistem - EpoX RDA3I - ASUS V9950SE/Td @470/820 - 2x256 DDR400 V-Data - !Live Player - 80GB Maxtor DiamondMax9+7200rpm - Tagan TG-380 black PSU - chieftek Matrix case - WinXP SP1

Aug 19, 2004, 01:47 PM	Thread Starter #12
StuBee lurker Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Under a small box in the corner Posts: 356 Rep Power: 67 System Specs	Hi, thanks for all the responces people, but i'm still a n00b with no clue! The only thing i've really manged to do is bump up me FSB, got it up to 219Mhz which is stable enough and there aren't any temp problems thanks to the water cooling. When ever i take the FSB any higher the thing won't even boot! i have to go back to the bios screen and lower the settings again!! Was reading other posts and though i might try changing some of the voltages for the CPU, but when i change the CPU speed/voltage to manual i have to set a CPU speed and the max i can put it 2 is 2GHz. and i can set the volts between 0.800v and 1.750v. Sik, unsure what you ment by- First drop your multi to something like 6 and the HT to 3x and start raising the memory till you find its max. I'm a total n00b. i'm guessing its the HyperTransport (only cos i seen that option in the bios) but all i can do it enable HT transtate, muck about with crc floods, change the ht frequency, and have 2 HT data width options. (all of which means nout to me!!! ) Also from what i've read, yeah i think you're right me mobo has no agp lock. fingers crossed one of you loverly people will be able to answer me dumb ass questions and tell me what i should be changing __________________ <-- Gaming in system specs Consoles: Xbox 360 (old white stylee thing), PS3. Storage - Qnap TS-210 - Great wee thing Laptops:- 2.2Ghz, 4Gb Macbook & 2.0Ghz i7 (Sandy bridge), 4Gb, 256Mb gfx, Hi-res screen Macbook Pro

Aug 8, 2004, 05:54 PM	#2
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Not an O.C. myself but can give you some basic tip's I doesn't really matter where you start CPU FSB or VideoCard.. But keep this in mind: O.C. one part at the time, slowly go higher until you have the top speed reached set it just under that top where it still is stable, and then test it heavy for at least 24 hours, then go on with your next step.. and so on Because; if you overclock every thing at once, it is hard to find out where it fails. I'm sure you have more questions, and the real O.C.'s will know more

Aug 8, 2004, 06:00 PM	Thread Starter #3
StuBee lurker Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Under a small box in the corner Posts: 356 Rep Power: 67 System Specs	Thanks Hawk, should have said the scores i'm getting are with the gfx card overclocked @ a core or 520/ mem @ 550 and it is stable enough, i've been running it like this for a few days with no problems Only reason i managed to OC the gfx is there are nice tools like ATITool (the person that wrote it is great!) Its more the cpu/fsb/mem i need help with overclocking. I've got no clue where to start with these, i guess they are all BIOS settings i change, but dont know what ones or anything! i did spy an overclocking option in my BIOS but didn't play with it! (was too scared as i didn't know what the options did!)

Aug 8, 2004, 06:17 PM	#5
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Ah, I see that new eh Go to rojakspot and find his bios opt. guide long read but it is a start Here you can learn to tweak your OS to the very optimum , no use to overclock the h@ll out your rig if the OS is eating up most. further do a google on O.C. must be enough although in your case the AMD forums would be a good start

Aug 12, 2004, 05:07 PM	Thread Starter #8
StuBee lurker Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Under a small box in the corner Posts: 356 Rep Power: 67 System Specs	Thanks for the comments lads, i'm just gonna go though that guide on setting up windows then i'll try some of the other stuff. Where can i get prime95 from?? Googled but didn't find much

Aug 12, 2004, 06:38 PM	Thread Starter #10
StuBee lurker Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Under a small box in the corner Posts: 356 Rep Power: 67 System Specs	ah found it now, god i'm a fool!

Aug 19, 2004, 01:57 PM	#13
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	try here it is about the same? board and AGP lock http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...d.php?t=119853

Aug 19, 2004, 02:30 PM	Thread Starter #14
StuBee lurker Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Under a small box in the corner Posts: 356 Rep Power: 67 System Specs	i fear i've found the answers to my questions after googling for "K8V/SE Deluxe+agp lock" It looks like me mobo has no agp/pci lock this apparently means its rubbish for overclocking and the best you can hope to get out of it it ~ 200Mhz, i've got 190! guess that will have to do at the mo then! Does this also mean oc'in me mem is out of the questions? if not how do i do that? i will overclock this thing other than the gfx card (once i know what i'm doing.) __________________ <-- Gaming in system specs Consoles: Xbox 360 (old white stylee thing), PS3. Storage - Qnap TS-210 - Great wee thing Laptops:- 2.2Ghz, 4Gb Macbook & 2.0Ghz i7 (Sandy bridge), 4Gb, 256Mb gfx, Hi-res screen Macbook Pro

Sep 2, 2004, 05:24 AM	#15
G@MeBoY makes your mouse tremmble! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Serbia,Livingroom Posts: 247 Rep Power: 0	you will have to rasie voltage for chipset to get more FSB, and probably loosen some memory latencies and upper the memory voltage....there is no general rule since you two probably have different type of memory modules, but You should be able to go over 200fsb, at least 210. You can also try to se asynhronious memory speed (you have thoese "%" where you choose memory speed, going over 100% will make memory speed/FSB higher than the of a procesor)..... __________________ -= G@MeBoY =- ::Full color with 3DNOW! tech:: XP2000+ thoroughbred @ 10x230FSB - watter cooled by home made sistem - EpoX RDA3I - ASUS V9950SE/Td @470/820 - 2x256 DDR400 V-Data - !Live Player - 80GB Maxtor DiamondMax9+7200rpm - Tagan TG-380 black PSU - chieftek Matrix case - WinXP SP1