CPU coolers???????

HawgsHead · Aug 9, 2004, 04:15 AM

Could some of you guys give me an idea of a BASIC CPU cooler?It's something I know NOTHING about.Brand names and the like.Can these things be hooked up by a novice?How hard is it?...Thanks again....Hawg

Necrosis · Aug 9, 2004, 04:48 AM

Basic you mean normal OEM stock heatsinks...or just plain cooling a self builder would use?

I might as well go ahead and say it, for air almost nothing beats Thermalright.

G@MeBoY · Aug 9, 2004, 06:06 AM

go for ThermalTake V12 - around 30$ - excellent cooling solution, can make a good compromise between loudness/efficency

Dark Lord · Aug 9, 2004, 06:35 AM

ive got a thermaltake venus 12 hooked up right now. 32C on an amd64 3200+. pretty damn cool if you ask me.
i cant hear the HS at all either, my case is louder then that is, and that case is barely audible when ive got music turned on low. i can just hear my music right now cause its turned down so far, and i can just barely hear the case fans.

HawgsHead · Aug 9, 2004, 02:00 PM

Sorry,I was speaking of water cooling.

Logla · Aug 9, 2004, 02:32 PM

DangerDen make good blocks, as do D-Tek.

HawgsHead · Aug 9, 2004, 02:35 PM

Blocks?????...I'm sorry.I am really green on this.I dont speak the "lingo" yet.

GutterPunk · Aug 9, 2004, 05:59 PM

Water blocks are like the heatsink, it is what would be touching the cpu. It makes contact with the cpu, while having a maze on it, that the water flows through picking up heat and transferring it away to cool the cpu. I hope you understood that.

Logla · Aug 9, 2004, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HawgsHead
Blocks?????...I'm sorry.I am really green on this.I dont speak the "lingo" yet.

If you are wanting to make a move into water cooling, you will want to do a lot of research on products and practices.

Trawl the internet for reviews, forums and anything water cooing related.

A couple of sites to get you started:

http://www.ocforums.com/

http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/

Read, read and read - and most importantly - Have Fun!

HawgsHead · Aug 9, 2004, 06:45 PM

Yea,I understand that...thanks!When this is done,do you have to do any wireing changes or anything?Are there people/companies that install this stuff for you?To get watercooling on an Alienware,you have to get the ALX series.$5500.00-$6ooo.oo......

G@MeBoY · Aug 10, 2004, 04:07 PM

go to (besides links that Logla gave you) www.dangerdan.com , buy their wattercooling set, you will get manual how to install, it is not very complicated, it's like building railway for the litle toy trains, you will see on dangerdans web site how it looks like, and it will be clear to you. CUstom made performance sistems are a bit more complicated since you make all by yourself, but this pre-built sistems are breeze to instqal

Asmoday · Aug 10, 2004, 04:15 PM

That would be www.dangerden.com NOT www.dangerdan.com ...i clicked your link G@meboy and i got lots of pop-ups...lol

Erroneus · Aug 10, 2004, 09:07 PM

Zalman also creates some rather cool watercooling, the new Reserator 1 system is something really unique: http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/...dx=63&code=021

Matth · Aug 10, 2004, 10:17 PM

That reserator is one ugly motherf**ker

http://www.bit-tech.net/review/93 - a watercooling kit review.

Actually, for quiet cooling, rather than massive overclocking, there are much neater kits, even those which fit the resrvior in a spare 5 1/4" bay.
http://qtec.info/products/product.htm?artnr=13793
There you have the simple 2 piece - block and reservior/pump/radiator/fan - the questin is, is it any quieter or cooler than a good 80mm fanned HSF ?

The basics of a watercooling kit are:

1. The block (or blocks) - fitted to the CPU (and for full watercooling, also to the graphics card, thouigh a bit trickier)
2. The reservoir (or "tank") - holds the water
3. Pump - circulates it - in some systems, integrated in the resrvoir
4. Radiator - in "quiet cooling" systems, the reservioir may also be the radiator
5. Radiator fan
6. Tubing
7. Water treatment ... anti-algae, anti corrosion, UV flourescent if you use UV case lighting - actually, a colourant also hlps you to see if the system is filling properly.

It's a lot of palaver though, so I'd exhaust the limits of air cooling first.

HawgsHead · Aug 10, 2004, 11:19 PM

I like that Zalman Cooler.Is it COOL?

G@MeBoY · Aug 10, 2004, 11:30 PM

ups ?! sorry I misstyped that address

anyway Zalman watter kit is made to be silent on cost of performance...and it does that job great.

As for reservoir, it is not needed in most cases, I dont have one now, I had it but removed it, no temperature differences at all, only more time is needed to get to working temperature when you have a reservoir...

Erroneus · Aug 10, 2004, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matth

That reserator is one ugly motherf**ker

Actually, for quiet cooling, rather than massive overclocking, there are much neater kits, even those which fit the resrvior in a spare 5 1/4" bay.
http://qtec.info/products/product.htm?artnr=13793
There you have the simple 2 piece - block and reservior/pump/radiator/fan - the questin is, is it any quieter or cooler than a good 80mm fanned HSF ?

The basics of a watercooling kit are:

1. The block (or blocks) - fitted to the CPU (and for full watercooling, also to the graphics card, thouigh a bit trickier)
2. The reservoir (or "tank") - holds the water
3. Pump - circulates it - in some systems, integrated in the resrvoir
4. Radiator - in "quiet cooling" systems, the reservioir may also be the radiator
5. Radiator fan
6. Tubing
7. Water treatment ... anti-algae, anti corrosion, UV flourescent if you use UV case lighting - actually, a colourant also hlps you to see if the system is filling properly.

It's a lot of palaver though, so I'd exhaust the limits of air cooling first.

A matter of taste, i find it quite cool and very effective.

On the other side i find systems like KS70 CPU Water Cooler Bay to be totally useless, they may be silent, but they sure hell aint a good cooling solution. A good heatsink with a lownoise fan, does a much better job, then theese bay "watercooling" kits, if you even can use the word coooling.

Your basics are also a bit wrong or not precise enough. First of all a reservoir is not needed in most systems and this statement: "4. Radiator - in "quiet cooling" systems, the reservioir may also be the radiator" is also a bit wrong. A radiator doesn't make any sound, the fan on the radiator is the noisy part and most silent systems has an radiator, becuase it cools down the water and making the need for a noisy fan in the system smaller.

Aug 9, 2004, 04:15 AM	#1
HawgsHead Rest In Peace Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Danville Virginia.The United States of America"In the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob We Trust" Posts: 2,012 Rep Power: 0	CPU coolers??????? Could some of you guys give me an idea of a BASIC CPU cooler?It's something I know NOTHING about.Brand names and the like.Can these things be hooked up by a novice?How hard is it?...Thanks again....Hawg __________________ Rig specs to the left in the boxes....X-Box 360 w/Hitachi 42" HDTV....If Darwins theory of evolution is true then why are monkeys still monkeys?It takes much more faith to believe in Darwin's theory over the Genesis account of creation.

Aug 9, 2004, 06:06 AM	#3
G@MeBoY makes your mouse tremmble! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Serbia,Livingroom Posts: 247 Rep Power: 0	go for ThermalTake V12 - around 30$ - excellent cooling solution, can make a good compromise between loudness/efficency __________________ -= G@MeBoY =- ::Full color with 3DNOW! tech:: XP2000+ thoroughbred @ 10x230FSB - watter cooled by home made sistem - EpoX RDA3I - ASUS V9950SE/Td @470/820 - 2x256 DDR400 V-Data - !Live Player - 80GB Maxtor DiamondMax9+7200rpm - Tagan TG-380 black PSU - chieftek Matrix case - WinXP SP1

Aug 9, 2004, 02:00 PM	Thread Starter #5
HawgsHead Rest In Peace Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Danville Virginia.The United States of America"In the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob We Trust" Posts: 2,012 Rep Power: 0	Sorry,I was speaking of water cooling. __________________ Rig specs to the left in the boxes....X-Box 360 w/Hitachi 42" HDTV....If Darwins theory of evolution is true then why are monkeys still monkeys?It takes much more faith to believe in Darwin's theory over the Genesis account of creation.

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HawgsHead Rest In Peace Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Danville Virginia.The United States of America"In the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob We Trust" Posts: 2,012 Rep Power: 0	Blocks?????...I'm sorry.I am really green on this.I dont speak the "lingo" yet. __________________ Rig specs to the left in the boxes....X-Box 360 w/Hitachi 42" HDTV....If Darwins theory of evolution is true then why are monkeys still monkeys?It takes much more faith to believe in Darwin's theory over the Genesis account of creation.

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Aug 9, 2004, 04:48 AM	#2
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Basic you mean normal OEM stock heatsinks...or just plain cooling a self builder would use? I might as well go ahead and say it, for air almost nothing beats Thermalright.

Aug 9, 2004, 06:35 AM	#4
Dark Lord HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,945 Rep Power: 125 System Specs	ive got a thermaltake venus 12 hooked up right now. 32C on an amd64 3200+. pretty damn cool if you ask me. i cant hear the HS at all either, my case is louder then that is, and that case is barely audible when ive got music turned on low. i can just hear my music right now cause its turned down so far, and i can just barely hear the case fans.

Aug 9, 2004, 02:32 PM	#6
Logla HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 0	DangerDen make good blocks, as do D-Tek.

Aug 9, 2004, 06:45 PM	Thread Starter #10
HawgsHead Rest In Peace Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Danville Virginia.The United States of America"In the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob We Trust" Posts: 2,012 Rep Power: 0	Yea,I understand that...thanks!When this is done,do you have to do any wireing changes or anything?Are there people/companies that install this stuff for you?To get watercooling on an Alienware,you have to get the ALX series.$5500.00-$6ooo.oo...... __________________ Rig specs to the left in the boxes....X-Box 360 w/Hitachi 42" HDTV....If Darwins theory of evolution is true then why are monkeys still monkeys?It takes much more faith to believe in Darwin's theory over the Genesis account of creation.

Aug 10, 2004, 04:07 PM	#11
G@MeBoY makes your mouse tremmble! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Serbia,Livingroom Posts: 247 Rep Power: 0	go to (besides links that Logla gave you) www.dangerdan.com , buy their wattercooling set, you will get manual how to install, it is not very complicated, it's like building railway for the litle toy trains, you will see on dangerdans web site how it looks like, and it will be clear to you. CUstom made performance sistems are a bit more complicated since you make all by yourself, but this pre-built sistems are breeze to instqal __________________ -= G@MeBoY =- ::Full color with 3DNOW! tech:: XP2000+ thoroughbred @ 10x230FSB - watter cooled by home made sistem - EpoX RDA3I - ASUS V9950SE/Td @470/820 - 2x256 DDR400 V-Data - !Live Player - 80GB Maxtor DiamondMax9+7200rpm - Tagan TG-380 black PSU - chieftek Matrix case - WinXP SP1

Aug 10, 2004, 04:15 PM	#12
Asmoday Demonic Join Date: May 2002 Location: In the cold, dark north... Posts: 5,198 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	That would be www.dangerden.com NOT www.dangerdan.com ...i clicked your link G@meboy and i got lots of pop-ups...lol __________________ How You can help Hardwareheaven by using Digg

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Erroneus Get off my lawn! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 13,417 Rep Power: 119 System Specs	Zalman also creates some rather cool watercooling, the new Reserator 1 system is something really unique: http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/...dx=63&code=021 __________________

Aug 10, 2004, 10:17 PM	#14
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	That reserator is one ugly motherf*ker http://www.bit-tech.net/review/93 - a watercooling kit review. Actually, for quiet cooling, rather than massive overclocking, there are much neater kits, even those which fit the resrvior in a spare 5 1/4" bay. http://qtec.info/products/product.htm?artnr=13793 There you have the simple 2 piece - block and reservior/pump/radiator/fan - the questin is, is it any quieter or cooler than a good 80mm fanned HSF ? The basics of a watercooling kit are: 1. The block (or blocks) - fitted to the CPU (and for full watercooling, also to the graphics card, thouigh a bit trickier) 2. The reservoir (or "tank") - holds the water 3. Pump - circulates it - in some systems, integrated in the resrvoir 4. Radiator - in "quiet cooling" systems, the reservioir may also be the radiator 5. Radiator fan 6. Tubing 7. Water treatment ... anti-algae, anti corrosion, UV flourescent if you use UV case lighting - actually, a colourant also hlps you to see if the system is filling properly. It's a lot of palaver though, so I'd exhaust the limits of air cooling first. Last edited by Matth; Aug 10, 2004 at 10:32 PM.*

Aug 10, 2004, 11:19 PM	Thread Starter #15
HawgsHead Rest In Peace Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Danville Virginia.The United States of America"In the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob We Trust" Posts: 2,012 Rep Power: 0	I like that Zalman Cooler.Is it COOL? __________________ Rig specs to the left in the boxes....X-Box 360 w/Hitachi 42" HDTV....If Darwins theory of evolution is true then why are monkeys still monkeys?It takes much more faith to believe in Darwin's theory over the Genesis account of creation.

Aug 10, 2004, 11:30 PM	#16
G@MeBoY makes your mouse tremmble! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Serbia,Livingroom Posts: 247 Rep Power: 0	ups ?! sorry I misstyped that address anyway Zalman watter kit is made to be silent on cost of performance...and it does that job great. As for reservoir, it is not needed in most cases, I dont have one now, I had it but removed it, no temperature differences at all, only more time is needed to get to working temperature when you have a reservoir... __________________ -= G@MeBoY =- ::Full color with 3DNOW! tech:: XP2000+ thoroughbred @ 10x230FSB - watter cooled by home made sistem - EpoX RDA3I - ASUS V9950SE/Td @470/820 - 2x256 DDR400 V-Data - !Live Player - 80GB Maxtor DiamondMax9+7200rpm - Tagan TG-380 black PSU - chieftek Matrix case - WinXP SP1