Intel lost their mind?

~~REGENERAT1ON~~ · Sep 2, 2004, 10:59 PM

check out the prices in my area:

AMD Barton 2800+ is 165$
Intel Celleron 2800+ is 165$
P4 2.8ghz is around 200$ (lol)

shall i remind you celleron suppose to be low budget cpu with no/low L2 cache ?
for the same price i can get barton and o/c (great overclocker) ??
and reach same score/performance as 3.8ghz Intel CPU
Intel lost their mind ? is that a joke ?

AMD all the way!

Zardon · Sep 2, 2004, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REGENERAT1ON

and reach same score/performance as 3.8ghz Intel CPU

dude pass whatever you are smokin!

~~REGENERAT1ON~~ · Sep 2, 2004, 11:04 PM

L&M light counts ?

with the right "tools" you can take barton cpu and make it into a big monster...

Zardon · Sep 2, 2004, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REGENERAT1ON

L&M light count ?

ok crank your AMD chip
I want to see results!

~~REGENERAT1ON~~ · Sep 2, 2004, 11:13 PM

http://www.newgenerationorder.org/yo.JPG

and thats with stock & cheap hs/f and lame silicon compound rofl..
i can reach vcore 1.9x and 2xx FSB..
barton 2800.. ddr pc4000.. 8 case fans
when ill get my thermalright SLK ill burn my baby to the sky

p.s.
its not fair you have water cooling

Zardon · Sep 2, 2004, 11:17 PM

Damn awesome score, there is no way a 3.4 P4 @ 3.8ghz could keep up

~~REGENERAT1ON~~ · Sep 2, 2004, 11:19 PM

heh damn nice.. heh.. awesome
heh.. now for the one million bucks question:

"how much it cost you" ?

Zardon · Sep 2, 2004, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REGENERAT1ON

p.s.
its not fair you have water cooling

and actually I dont right now, part of the perks of owning this site is you get hardware all the time and my rig is in a constant state of flux. ive about 3 systems here for test beds atm (all levels)......

Main system is a 3.4 Extreme Edition 775 @ 3.6ghz on air, 2 gig of DDR2 4x512, intel 925x mobo, ATI X800XT PCIe, DVD dual layer, OCZ 470w PSU, 2 10k raptors in raid 0 (Win Xp Pro), 4x WD JB SE 120g in Raid, 1x WD JB SE 80 gig dual boot (linux and other goodies).

Zardon · Sep 2, 2004, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by REGENERAT1ON

"how much it cost you" ?

nothing - gift/testbed from Intel and ATI.

~~REGENERAT1ON~~ · Sep 2, 2004, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

nothing - gift/test bed from Intel and ATI.

heh damn you.. hehe.. its awesome but very very expensive for the market its gonna cost around 1000-1800$ in my area

Zardon · Sep 2, 2004, 11:27 PM

That test bed above would be around £3000 here. hard drives and GFX alone are around £1000, then the CPU £600-£700..... ram £600+

No way id pay that for a system.

~~REGENERAT1ON~~ · Sep 2, 2004, 11:29 PM

i can get 2 cars for that price.. lol

but you think barton is more cheap/worthy then celleron/P4 3ghz ?
cuz its more cheap then celleron and 2.8-3ghz cpus

Zardon · Sep 2, 2004, 11:35 PM

Well the point I was making (jokingly), is dont join the AMD fanboy crowd who just totally dismiss Intel as being "a waste of time" (just as I would say the reverse to the intel guys), im in a position to see so much hardware on the way in and out that ive spent considerable time with all sides of the market and AMD are perhaps better value, but when you hit high FSBS with the right motherboard the intels are screamers. We all know the saying that intels are "inefficient" compared to AMD and certainly clock for clock that has bearing. What I will say is, you wont hit the memory scores with AMD you can on intel and you certainly wont get a lot of the benefits you do with HT and multiple applications/multitasking, and thats not even taking into consideration en/decoding if you are lucky enough to stretch to an extreme edition processor.

You also wont break under 45 seconds on my photoshop real world benchmark, even with an FX53 (55 is probably the best you will hit), whereas ive broken under 40 seconds with an EE. Ok so thats only 15 seconds or so but can you imagine the gains in productivity over the course of a week?? that mounts up to hours free from progress bar watching.

If all you do is game, then AMD all the way baby, but quite a few of us put gaming down the list, I use my PC for professional graphics work and nothing touches an Extreme edition.

~~REGENERAT1ON~~ · Sep 2, 2004, 11:42 PM

well you're right. but "waste of time" for me its more like waste of cash.. they really need to decrease the price for the low budget cpu because its really crazy to ask 160$ +- for ultra low budget cpu without L2 cache when your competitor offering better cpu for lower price

p.s.
i am only in MP games scene (basicly more flaming cheaters/haxorz lol)

pr0digal jenius · Sep 3, 2004, 12:04 AM

i'll give you that intel is mroe expensive......but i must say, being a previous AMD fanboy, i have learned to lvoe them, higher price tag and all....

GutterPunk · Sep 3, 2004, 12:12 AM

aight ill post some benchmarks of my 2.8 and i know already they spank ur scores there bud... i like my 2.8 can hit a 1ghz oc stable, but not stable enuff to do prime95. wait till i get a new hs/f

drakesteakn · Sep 3, 2004, 01:20 AM

gutter i will smoke ur scores anytime. and i got a AMD

dipstick · Sep 3, 2004, 03:03 AM

Well, I only use and recommend AMD but that doesn't make a P4 a bad cpu. Still I do think they are overpriced and as a gamer I cannot recommend one over an A64. Reading any review will tell you why

No_Style · Sep 3, 2004, 03:12 AM

I concur with dipstick. Well before A64's dropped price I would recommend getting a P4 C revision, but now that A64's are affordable there's no reason not to get an A64 if you're that desperate to upgrade these days

I'm just waiting for Longhorn, the PCI Express A64 chipset from nVidia or VIA and all the other details which will change rapidly over the next 2 years.

How about before? Well I would recommend Intel over AMD Athlon XP just because Intel had quality on their side.

Good Stock HSF
Thermal Throttling
Protective Heat Plate over their core

Those small things, I would gladly pay a surplus for.

Now that AMD has all that stuff with their A64, it's all peachy!

G@MeBoY · Sep 3, 2004, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

Well the point I was making (jokingly), is dont join the AMD fanboy crowd who just totally dismiss Intel as being "a waste of time" (just as I would say the reverse to the intel guys), im in a position to see so much hardware on the way in and out that ive spent considerable time with all sides of the market and AMD are perhaps better value, but when you hit high FSBS with the right motherboard the intels are screamers. We all know the saying that intels are "inefficient" compared to AMD and certainly clock for clock that has bearing. What I will say is, you wont hit the memory scores with AMD you can on intel and you certainly wont get a lot of the benefits you do with HT and multiple applications/multitasking, and thats not even taking into consideration en/decoding if you are lucky enough to stretch to an extreme edition processor.

You also wont break under 45 seconds on my photoshop real world benchmark, even with an FX53 (55 is probably the best you will hit), whereas ive broken under 40 seconds with an EE. Ok so thats only 15 seconds or so but can you imagine the gains in productivity over the course of a week?? that mounts up to hours free from progress bar watching.

If all you do is game, then AMD all the way baby, but quite a few of us put gaming down the list, I use my PC for professional graphics work and nothing touches an Extreme edition.

First, I congratulate you o your open minded point of view.
second: you must consider the price
third: intel memory bandwith has proven to be non-worthy except in 3dmark. I used your photoshop benchmark and I do not need to tell you anything you didnt see for your self.
fourth: intel is faster and better than stock AMD even with 2.4 p4 but (!) when you cranck up AMD on 230fsb you get strangly close scores.
fifth: intel is intel, memory bandwith with general use would prove intel to be much better&faster, since it's not the case (being hardware resaler and trough years have tested almoust everithing) the AMD in overclocker (and I do emphesise this) hands can achieve a lot !

sixt

: I do agree intel is faster compared to sub a64 series, but was 3 times cheaper and wasn't 3 times slower.

I make a local magasine here in my country and I do it on AMD, I did it on intel one mounth too, but it was slower with large images and effects on 'em. but intel has lots of other advantages, like faster divX and DVD encoding/decoding, but to thoese who are reading this, it is not much faster, lets say instead of (60$) AMD @ 2.2ghz (amd-xp) and 65.4secs vs intel (145$) 2.4ghz@3.2ghz and 59.3 sec (my bench done with corsair LL ram)....

And I still keep AMD becausem well, like someone from my country said : "intel ? It;s like a car with automatic gearbox, spends more fuel, goes slower and heats more ! "

GutterPunk · Sep 3, 2004, 04:24 AM

Drake, we are counting cpu scores not gfx remember that. And consider the price

haha. lets see a pcmark04

i havent done 1 w/ full capabilities yet

drakesteakn · Sep 3, 2004, 04:37 AM

intel uses HT technology and PCMARK will utilize it. AMD is for gaming. i will beat u in anything but PCMARK. thats all u can win. even with my 9800PRO scores. price. i paid 300$ for a 3200+ when they first came out. so what. when the 2.8 first came out it was higher than 300$.

GutterPunk · Sep 3, 2004, 04:43 AM

whats ur highest 3d03 score?

drakesteakn · Sep 3, 2004, 04:45 AM

7340, highest 01 is 2350. this was without much cpu oc'ing just graphics card.

No_Style · Sep 3, 2004, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G@MeBoY

First, I congratulate you o your open minded point of view.
second: you must consider the price
third: intel memory bandwith has proven to be non-worthy except in 3dmark. I used your photoshop benchmark and I do not need to tell you anything you didnt see for your self.
fourth: intel is faster and better than stock AMD even with 2.4 p4 but (!) when you cranck up AMD on 230fsb you get strangly close scores.
fifth: intel is intel, memory bandwith with general use would prove intel to be much better&faster, since it's not the case (being hardware resaler and trough years have tested almoust everithing) the AMD in overclocker (and I do emphesise this) hands can achieve a lot !

sixt

: I do agree intel is faster compared to sub a64 series, but was 3 times cheaper and wasn't 3 times slower.

I make a local magasine here in my country and I do it on AMD, I did it on intel one mounth too, but it was slower with large images and effects on 'em. but intel has lots of other advantages, like faster divX and DVD encoding/decoding, but to thoese who are reading this, it is not much faster, lets say instead of (60$) AMD @ 2.2ghz (amd-xp) and 65.4secs vs intel (145$) 2.4ghz@3.2ghz and 59.3 sec (my bench done with corsair LL ram)....

And I still keep AMD becausem well, like someone from my country said : "intel ? It;s like a car with automatic gearbox, spends more fuel, goes slower and heats more ! "

Intel heat more? Not before Prescott. And even then, you try shrinking something down to 90 nm.

As for using car analogies?

For the Athlon XP days, I saw Athlon XP like Dodge Vipers without an air bag(thermal throttle) or seat belt(heat plate cover) included or a good radiator (HSF).

I saw Intel processor like a Subaru WRX, with 4WD (HT), front and side air bags (Heat plate cover), a good radiator (HSF) and a lot more fuel effecient.

Yeah, the Viper can burn the WRX in a drag race, but let see it take corners! There's not always a straight road and you have to be flexible. I'd also like to see the driver handle a head on collision without air bags and a seat belt

Well today, we all can see that AMD realized that having a seat belt and air bag saves lives.

Intel on the other hand is trying to shrink their engine down a bit, but having issues with finding a radiator which can cool that bad boy.

Not the most accurate analogy, but it's getting late and I don't care

No_Style · Sep 3, 2004, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REGENERAT1ON

...because its really crazy to ask 160$ +- for ultra low budget cpu without L2 cache when your competitor offering better cpu for lower price

L2 Cache does exist on an Intel Celeron 2.8 GHz it's just real small (128 KB)..

~~REGENERAT1ON~~ · Sep 3, 2004, 05:00 AM

128kb..

No_Style · Sep 3, 2004, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REGENERAT1ON

http://www.newgenerationorder.org/yo.JPG

and thats with stock & cheap hs/f and lame silicon compound rofl..
i can reach vcore 1.9x and 2xx FSB..
barton 2800.. ddr pc4000.. 8 case fans
when ill get my thermalrigh
t SLK ill burn my baby to the sky

p.s.
its not fair you have water cooling

I'm getting 20152 it/s with:
2.4B @ 3.24
PC2700 Crucial
180 FSB (DDR360)

So close

No_Style · Sep 3, 2004, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REGENERAT1ON

128kb..

It's better than none

GutterPunk · Sep 3, 2004, 05:17 AM

no style, i had the same processor @ the same speeds, lovely guy isnt it!

for some reason i cant get high on 01se

Sep 2, 2004, 10:59 PM	#1
~~REGENERAT1ON~~ NGO Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 0	Intel lost their mind? check out the prices in my area: AMD Barton 2800+ is 165$ Intel Celleron 2800+ is 165$ P4 2.8ghz is around 200$ (lol) shall i remind you celleron suppose to be low budget cpu with no/low L2 cache ? for the same price i can get barton and o/c (great overclocker) ?? and reach same score/performance as 3.8ghz Intel CPU Intel lost their mind ? is that a joke ? AMD all the way! Last edited by REGENERAT1ON; Sep 2, 2004 at 11:07 PM.

Sep 2, 2004, 11:29 PM	Thread Starter #12
~~REGENERAT1ON~~ NGO Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 0	i can get 2 cars for that price.. lol but you think barton is more cheap/worthy then celleron/P4 3ghz ? cuz its more cheap then celleron and 2.8-3ghz cpus Last edited by REGENERAT1ON; Sep 2, 2004 at 11:35 PM.

Sep 2, 2004, 11:42 PM	Thread Starter #14
~~REGENERAT1ON~~ NGO Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 0	well you're right. but "waste of time" for me its more like waste of cash.. they really need to decrease the price for the low budget cpu because its really crazy to ask 160$ +- for ultra low budget cpu without L2 cache when your competitor offering better cpu for lower price p.s. i am only in MP games scene (basicly more flaming cheaters/haxorz lol) Last edited by REGENERAT1ON; Sep 2, 2004 at 11:50 PM.

Sep 3, 2004, 12:12 AM	#16
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	aight ill post some benchmarks of my 2.8 and i know already they spank ur scores there bud... i like my 2.8 can hit a 1ghz oc stable, but not stable enuff to do prime95. wait till i get a new hs/f __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Sep 3, 2004, 01:20 AM	#17
drakesteakn boo!!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ft. Meyers, FL Posts: 2,041 Rep Power: 0	gutter i will smoke ur scores anytime. and i got a AMD __________________

Sep 2, 2004, 11:04 PM	Thread Starter #3
~~REGENERAT1ON~~ NGO Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 0	L&M light counts ? with the right "tools" you can take barton cpu and make it into a big monster...

Sep 2, 2004, 11:13 PM	Thread Starter #5
~~REGENERAT1ON~~ NGO Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 0	http://www.newgenerationorder.org/yo.JPG and thats with stock & cheap hs/f and lame silicon compound rofl.. i can reach vcore 1.9x and 2xx FSB.. barton 2800.. ddr pc4000.. 8 case fans when ill get my thermalright SLK ill burn my baby to the sky p.s. its not fair you have water cooling

Sep 2, 2004, 11:17 PM	#6
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Damn awesome score, there is no way a 3.4 P4 @ 3.8ghz could keep up

Sep 2, 2004, 11:19 PM	Thread Starter #7
~~REGENERAT1ON~~ NGO Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 0	heh damn nice.. heh.. awesome heh.. now for the one million bucks question: "how much it cost you" ?

Sep 2, 2004, 11:27 PM	#11
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	That test bed above would be around £3000 here. hard drives and GFX alone are around £1000, then the CPU £600-£700..... ram £600+ No way id pay that for a system.

Sep 2, 2004, 11:35 PM	#13
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Well the point I was making (jokingly), is dont join the AMD fanboy crowd who just totally dismiss Intel as being "a waste of time" (just as I would say the reverse to the intel guys), im in a position to see so much hardware on the way in and out that ive spent considerable time with all sides of the market and AMD are perhaps better value, but when you hit high FSBS with the right motherboard the intels are screamers. We all know the saying that intels are "inefficient" compared to AMD and certainly clock for clock that has bearing. What I will say is, you wont hit the memory scores with AMD you can on intel and you certainly wont get a lot of the benefits you do with HT and multiple applications/multitasking, and thats not even taking into consideration en/decoding if you are lucky enough to stretch to an extreme edition processor. You also wont break under 45 seconds on my photoshop real world benchmark, even with an FX53 (55 is probably the best you will hit), whereas ive broken under 40 seconds with an EE. Ok so thats only 15 seconds or so but can you imagine the gains in productivity over the course of a week?? that mounts up to hours free from progress bar watching. If all you do is game, then AMD all the way baby, but quite a few of us put gaming down the list, I use my PC for professional graphics work and nothing touches an Extreme edition.

Sep 3, 2004, 12:04 AM	#15
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	i'll give you that intel is mroe expensive......but i must say, being a previous AMD fanboy, i have learned to lvoe them, higher price tag and all....

Sep 3, 2004, 03:03 AM	#18
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Well, I only use and recommend AMD but that doesn't make a P4 a bad cpu. Still I do think they are overpriced and as a gamer I cannot recommend one over an A64. Reading any review will tell you why

Sep 3, 2004, 03:12 AM	#19
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	I concur with dipstick. Well before A64's dropped price I would recommend getting a P4 C revision, but now that A64's are affordable there's no reason not to get an A64 if you're that desperate to upgrade these days I'm just waiting for Longhorn, the PCI Express A64 chipset from nVidia or VIA and all the other details which will change rapidly over the next 2 years. How about before? Well I would recommend Intel over AMD Athlon XP just because Intel had quality on their side. Good Stock HSF Thermal Throttling Protective Heat Plate over their core Those small things, I would gladly pay a surplus for. Now that AMD has all that stuff with their A64, it's all peachy! __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Sep 3, 2004, 04:24 AM	#21
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	Drake, we are counting cpu scores not gfx remember that. And consider the price haha. lets see a pcmark04 i havent done 1 w/ full capabilities yet __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Sep 3, 2004, 04:37 AM	#22
drakesteakn boo!!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ft. Meyers, FL Posts: 2,041 Rep Power: 0	intel uses HT technology and PCMARK will utilize it. AMD is for gaming. i will beat u in anything but PCMARK. thats all u can win. even with my 9800PRO scores. price. i paid 300$ for a 3200+ when they first came out. so what. when the 2.8 first came out it was higher than 300$. __________________

Sep 3, 2004, 04:43 AM	#23
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	whats ur highest 3d03 score? __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Sep 3, 2004, 04:45 AM	#24
drakesteakn boo!!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ft. Meyers, FL Posts: 2,041 Rep Power: 0	7340, highest 01 is 2350. this was without much cpu oc'ing just graphics card. __________________

Sep 3, 2004, 05:00 AM	Thread Starter #27
~~REGENERAT1ON~~ NGO Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 0	128kb..

Sep 3, 2004, 05:17 AM	#30
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	no style, i had the same processor @ the same speeds, lovely guy isnt it! for some reason i cant get high on 01se __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt