amd 2600+ overclock help

waterloo · Oct 2, 2004, 08:23 PM

How high can i overclock my amd 2600 thoroughbred???

I CAN't RAISE the voltage on my computer because my motherboard won't let me. It's a Sis 741gx-m
i don't know if i overclocked it but it's at 2127.9mhz and it's the sempron or something.

can i overclock it up to a 3200-3300 ish side?

WisMerHill · Oct 3, 2004, 11:46 AM

mm first make sure which cpu you actually have, there's a difference in how to overclock each or how much each can handle. as you post now you could have 3 different cpu's (cores) ,a Thoroughbred A core, a Thorougbred B core or a Sempron core. A program like cpu-z can help you identify it.

The tb B core is probably the best overclocker of the bunch. to get to 3200 speeds you need to overclock your fsb too 200mhz, default for a tb B is 133mhz so it's quite a gap you need to cross. Most do need more than the default core to achieve these speeds so you might have a problem considering your mobo. If you want to find out your max fsb you can lower your cpu multiplier so clockspeed won't be an issue and then raise your fsb with 5-10mhz at the time and after every raise check stabillity en heat with programs like: mbm (motherboard monitor, for temps) 3Dmark03 and prime95 for stabillity.

When you found your max stable fsb you then can try to up the cpu multiplier with .5 at the time while keeping your fsb at default so it won't interfere. the same rules as with the fsb apply, take small steps and keep an eye on your temps and stabillity. When you reached your max multiplier you'll know the max cpu speed, now you try to go back to your fsb , raise it to the max stable setting you found and then raise the multiplier to reach the max clockspeed. do not try to use the max mulitplier and fsb together cause that probably is too much.

There are some programs that'll let your overclock from within windows instead of rebooting to go the bios each time. Such a program can save a lot of time cause u can run a benchmark or stability test each time directly after the increase without rebooting a lot. Programs that can do this: 8rdacore and Clockgen .

From my own experience and tb B can reach clockspeeds up to 2400Mhz on air and with 200fsb tho with a voltage increase. Since you apparently lack voltage options i'd guess and think you'll be able to reach, 166x13 giving a 2158mhz clockspeed. It's lower then your original but the higher fsb will compensate and even up your performance. Offcourse you can try to go higher but o'clocking is risky and can damage hardware so be very carefull, you'll void your warranty so when gone too far you'll have to pay up yourself

GL.

ps.. did i mention to be carefull ?

waterloo · Oct 3, 2004, 05:20 PM

i know all about the overclocking things.

i don't think i going to overclock i dont need it

I need some program that can raise the voltage. because the computers voltage is to low.
it's al 1.6...

GutterPunk · Oct 3, 2004, 05:29 PM

Well considering you have an SIS... When I had one it did not hav AGP lock... If I were you I wouldn't go tooooo high on the fsb w/o an AGP lock from stock 133 - 200 you might kill someting, youll notice gfx problems around 167... Just a lil tip I learned from my old SIS board, I oc'ed the fsb so high without an agp lock that even when lowered, the agp no longer worked. *assuming i fried the agp bus or something since there wasnt a lock*

waterloo · Oct 6, 2004, 02:17 AM

How do i do that agp thingy and how do i raise my core voltage?

PS. I'm 12 and i don' wanna fry nothing.. but i have
A.GOOD COOLing
B.10 fans
C.got fans on the top sides front and back

krips · Oct 6, 2004, 03:51 PM

Core voltage can be raised in the bios, which is usually entered as soon as the computer starts up by pressing the Delete key. The agp lock can also be found in bios, if yours has it.
10 fans

GutterPunk · Oct 6, 2004, 08:39 PM

10 fans, you may have too much pressure in your case, do you have have jsut as much or a lil less air leaving then coming in?

also AGP lock would be in your overclocking section in your BIOS

waterloo · Oct 7, 2004, 01:32 AM

Ok.. HEre's the tHING i got tons of air going out, but to little in... what i am trying to say is

MY CORE VOLTAGE IS AT 1.60... and that's to little to power the compuer, i have a 440 watt power supply and it's not there the agp lock.
what program(s) can i use to raise core voltage, and fool around with the agp lock?

Thanks for the help guys

WisMerHill · Oct 7, 2004, 11:31 AM

None, your BIOS has to support those values, there's no program that can raise voltages higher then listed in your BIOS.

You can edit the BIOS with an editor and add higher voltage options, but thats not something to be undertaken lightly and requires lots of knowledge and skills. I would strongly advise against it but it's an option.

waterloo · Oct 7, 2004, 08:32 PM

dude u dont understand..

i dont have VOLTAGE control, like i eally don't.
i don't got nothing
i went into power mangement eeverywhere and i can't see it.. i don't have it

WisMerHill · Oct 8, 2004, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waterloo

dude u dont understand..

i dont have VOLTAGE control, like i eally don't.
i don't got nothing
i went into power mangement eeverywhere and i can't see it.. i don't have it

that's what i said, you need to have it in your bios else your out of luck.

you can only search your mobo's manufacturer support forum to see if you bios might have hidden options for voltage control, like pressing SHIFT-F2 to enable the hidden menu. If not then your stuck.

btw, why would you need more voltage, 1.6 is ok for a amd 2600, so why if you don't overclock?

CDsDontBurn · Oct 14, 2004, 06:02 PM

if you want to get all the features so you can overclock (voltage adjustments, FSB adjustments, etc.), you gotta get a different board. preferably an nForce 2 board, if not a VIA board. Do NOT use an MSI board if you want to overclock. MSI boards do not overclock well.

You said you have a sempron or an Athlon XP? It would make a big difference if you found out which one you have.

Oct 2, 2004, 08:23 PM	#1
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	amd 2600+ overclock help How high can i overclock my amd 2600 thoroughbred??? I CAN't RAISE the voltage on my computer because my motherboard won't let me. It's a Sis 741gx-m i don't know if i overclocked it but it's at 2127.9mhz and it's the sempron or something. can i overclock it up to a 3200-3300 ish side? __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Oct 3, 2004, 11:46 AM	#2
WisMerHill DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 468 Rep Power: 0	mm first make sure which cpu you actually have, there's a difference in how to overclock each or how much each can handle. as you post now you could have 3 different cpu's (cores) ,a Thoroughbred A core, a Thorougbred B core or a Sempron core. A program like cpu-z can help you identify it. The tb B core is probably the best overclocker of the bunch. to get to 3200 speeds you need to overclock your fsb too 200mhz, default for a tb B is 133mhz so it's quite a gap you need to cross. Most do need more than the default core to achieve these speeds so you might have a problem considering your mobo. If you want to find out your max fsb you can lower your cpu multiplier so clockspeed won't be an issue and then raise your fsb with 5-10mhz at the time and after every raise check stabillity en heat with programs like: mbm (motherboard monitor, for temps) 3Dmark03 and prime95 for stabillity. When you found your max stable fsb you then can try to up the cpu multiplier with .5 at the time while keeping your fsb at default so it won't interfere. the same rules as with the fsb apply, take small steps and keep an eye on your temps and stabillity. When you reached your max multiplier you'll know the max cpu speed, now you try to go back to your fsb , raise it to the max stable setting you found and then raise the multiplier to reach the max clockspeed. do not try to use the max mulitplier and fsb together cause that probably is too much. There are some programs that'll let your overclock from within windows instead of rebooting to go the bios each time. Such a program can save a lot of time cause u can run a benchmark or stability test each time directly after the increase without rebooting a lot. Programs that can do this: 8rdacore and Clockgen . From my own experience and tb B can reach clockspeeds up to 2400Mhz on air and with 200fsb tho with a voltage increase. Since you apparently lack voltage options i'd guess and think you'll be able to reach, 166x13 giving a 2158mhz clockspeed. It's lower then your original but the higher fsb will compensate and even up your performance. Offcourse you can try to go higher but o'clocking is risky and can damage hardware so be very carefull, you'll void your warranty so when gone too far you'll have to pay up yourself GL. ps.. did i mention to be carefull ? __________________ [color=sandybrown][color=white] [/color] [color=white][color=white]M[/color][color=white]y Computer[/color]: [/color][color=white]3DMark2001[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]3Dmark2003[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]3DMark200[/color][color=white]5[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]PCMark2004[/color][/color]

Oct 3, 2004, 05:20 PM	Thread Starter #3
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	i know all about the overclocking things. i don't think i going to overclock i dont need it I need some program that can raise the voltage. because the computers voltage is to low. it's al 1.6... __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Oct 3, 2004, 05:29 PM	#4
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	Well considering you have an SIS... When I had one it did not hav AGP lock... If I were you I wouldn't go tooooo high on the fsb w/o an AGP lock from stock 133 - 200 you might kill someting, youll notice gfx problems around 167... Just a lil tip I learned from my old SIS board, I oc'ed the fsb so high without an agp lock that even when lowered, the agp no longer worked. assuming i fried the agp bus or something since there wasnt a lock __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Oct 6, 2004, 02:17 AM	Thread Starter #5
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	How do i do that agp thingy and how do i raise my core voltage? PS. I'm 12 and i don' wanna fry nothing.. but i have A.GOOD COOLing B.10 fans C.got fans on the top sides front and back __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Oct 6, 2004, 03:51 PM	#6
krips UD Cruncher Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Alberta, Canada. Posts: 144 Rep Power: 0	Core voltage can be raised in the bios, which is usually entered as soon as the computer starts up by pressing the Delete key. The agp lock can also be found in bios, if yours has it. 10 fans __________________ [color=navy]3200+ Winchester \| XP-90 \| LANParty UT nF4 Ultra-D \| Enermax 535W \| BBA X800XL \| 1GB OCZ PC4000 \| 2x80GB RAID1 \| Audigy 2 ZS \| Logitech Z5300E[/color]

Oct 6, 2004, 08:39 PM	#7
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	10 fans, you may have too much pressure in your case, do you have have jsut as much or a lil less air leaving then coming in? also AGP lock would be in your overclocking section in your BIOS __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Oct 7, 2004, 01:32 AM	Thread Starter #8
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	Ok.. HEre's the tHING i got tons of air going out, but to little in... what i am trying to say is MY CORE VOLTAGE IS AT 1.60... and that's to little to power the compuer, i have a 440 watt power supply and it's not there the agp lock. what program(s) can i use to raise core voltage, and fool around with the agp lock? Thanks for the help guys __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Oct 7, 2004, 11:31 AM	#9
WisMerHill DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 468 Rep Power: 0	None, your BIOS has to support those values, there's no program that can raise voltages higher then listed in your BIOS. You can edit the BIOS with an editor and add higher voltage options, but thats not something to be undertaken lightly and requires lots of knowledge and skills. I would strongly advise against it but it's an option. __________________ [color=sandybrown][color=white] [/color] [color=white][color=white]M[/color][color=white]y Computer[/color]: [/color][color=white]3DMark2001[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]3Dmark2003[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]3DMark200[/color][color=white]5[/color][color=white] - [/color][color=white]PCMark2004[/color][/color]

Oct 7, 2004, 08:32 PM	Thread Starter #10
waterloo Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 337 Rep Power: 0	dude u dont understand.. i dont have VOLTAGE control, like i eally don't. i don't got nothing i went into power mangement eeverywhere and i can't see it.. i don't have it __________________ Motherboard: DFI Lan Party UT nF4 Ultra-D Modded to SLI Bios: 07/06/05 (File name - 704-2bt) CPU Cooler: Aritc Freezer 64 CPU: AMD 64 3800 Memory: OCZ 2GB Graphics Processor: ASUS EN6200GE Hard Drives: 2 X 160 IDE Western Digital, 320 SATA, 16GB SCSI Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker 480 Watt Case:Antec CS600 Tower Case Sound Card: M-Audio Revolution 7.1/SB LIVE/SB X-FI Optical Drive: 2 X LG GSA-4167B

Oct 14, 2004, 06:02 PM	#12
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,805 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	if you want to get all the features so you can overclock (voltage adjustments, FSB adjustments, etc.), you gotta get a different board. preferably an nForce 2 board, if not a VIA board. Do NOT use an MSI board if you want to overclock. MSI boards do not overclock well. You said you have a sempron or an Athlon XP? It would make a big difference if you found out which one you have. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later