why can't i o/c?

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Dec 5, 2004, 05:55 AM

i have sufficient cooling, my temps are fine, enough voltage but i cannot o/c ever and maintain it.

at most my system has lived 1 day being o/c'd, usually when i o/c i goto 2.8ghz from 2.66, put in a bit more voltage. games run for 30 seconds before crashing and multiple bios flashes are needed and safe mode and system restore to get it back to normal (takes 1/2 hr)

my system setup is listed below in my sig, just don't know why I can't o/c when everyone can do it to 3ghz with same proc

CDsDontBurn · Dec 5, 2004, 06:01 AM

what about your memory timings? Do you tighten those up, or do you loosen them up? Too tight of timings can cause your system to crash like the way you're describing.......i know from first hand experience.

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Dec 5, 2004, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

what about your memory timings? Do you tighten those up, or do you loosen them up? Too tight of timings can cause your system to crash like the way you're describing.......i know from first hand experience.

i left em at stock 2.5, since samsung will not go any tighter, should lower it to 3? but wouldnt that slow the system down

CDsDontBurn · Dec 5, 2004, 06:05 AM

it wouldn't slow the system down. If you were to run a bench mark, the scores wouldn't be as high as you would expect. Say your best score on 3Dmark03 right now is 5589, and you'd expect a score of about 6k @ 3.0 specs, w/tighter timings you could break like 6,500 in 3Dmark03.

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Dec 5, 2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

it wouldn't slow the system down. If you were to run a bench mark, the scores wouldn't be as high as you would expect. Say your best score on 3Dmark03 right now is 5589, and you'd expect a score of about 6k @ 3.0 specs, w/tighter timings you could break like 6,500 in 3Dmark03.

i cannot tighten the timings on this samsung ram, buying new ram is NOT an option, at most maybe better thermal paste at the time lol but that wont be of much use since the temps are quite ok now.

so ur saying loosen it to 3ns, and i should be able to o/c?

Asmoday · Dec 5, 2004, 06:02 PM

Have you tried with an different divider? With lets say 5:4?
It might be your RAM crapping out on you, not liking the higher fsb...and do you have a working agp/pci lock?

Nacht · Dec 5, 2004, 08:36 PM

it has to be your RAM giving out...i believe your proc could take that easily, but even if it cant it shouldnt cause windows to have to do a system restore, or make a need for a BIOS flash.

MiDKnYtE · Dec 6, 2004, 01:07 AM

did you lock your ram at 400mhz? what ratio are you using? did you lock your agp/pci to 66/33?

Warpy · Dec 6, 2004, 01:42 AM

Try and lock your AGP to 66mhz and lossen your mem timmings. I just set up my AMD64 and she is gonna cop it tonight with some serious voltage and FSB adjustment!! Muhahaahhahaha

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Dec 6, 2004, 06:16 AM

my ram is actually at 333mhz thanks to stupid 533fsb non hyperthreading (which i was forced to buy just 2 weeks before the release of the "C" processors

MiDKnYtE · Dec 6, 2004, 07:40 AM

are you sure the ram is at 333? what ratio are you using? if your fsb is 133, then your ratio would be 4/5 for the ram.

you might just be limited by that older core.

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Dec 6, 2004, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MiDKnYtE

are you sure the ram is at 333? what ratio are you using? if your fsb is 133, then your ratio would be 4/5 for the ram.

you might just be limited by that older core.

yea obviously "b" processors have the 533 bus running 133 fsb quad pumped.

also i forgot to add MAT (PAT) is on Turbo, even if i put it to slow i still get issues o/cing, i get more performance from doing PAT than oc i tried it before when the comp lasted for one day with the o/c @ 2.8ghz.

so if someone could tell me what i should do exactly in the bios would be good, the MSI boards are not great overclockers from what i know

CDsDontBurn · Dec 6, 2004, 08:58 PM

you are right about that, MSI boards are not the best overclocking boards. Why not get another board, like an ASUS or ABIT 865/875 chipset board or something? Then you can run your 2.6 @ 3.0 no problem.

pr0digal jenius · Dec 6, 2004, 09:36 PM

indeed....get a 875p chipset

technonerd · Dec 6, 2004, 09:58 PM

Try update the Bios, ratio should be around 4/5, have you increase Ram voltage alittle?

I got the same MSI Mobo the 865PE Neo2 FISR and I can OC 2.8(800fsb) to 3.2hz with newer heatsink also I have Corsair PC-3200 512mb X 2, been running it for 2 months now.

Msi 865PE Neo2 is very good on Overclocking. I can promise if you switch to Asus or Gigabyte with 2.6B it won't make a big different. The problem is B version you should have 800fsb to OC good.

My friend had 865PE Neo 2 PSF and he Overclocked 2.4cto 2.8 no problem there.

My other question is did you use Corecell, If you do GET rid of it, It's crap.

If need help why not check out this forum http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?sid=
I use it alot for help and they helped me out good for OC

Just giving all my best opinion.

Good Luck

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Dec 7, 2004, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by technonerd

Try update the Bios, ratio should be around 4/5, have you increase Ram voltage alittle?

I got the same MSI Mobo the 865PE Neo2 FISR and I can OC 2.8(800fsb) to 3.2hz with newer heatsink also I have Corsair PC-3200 512mb X 2, been running it for 2 months now.

Msi 865PE Neo2 is very good on Overclocking. I can promise if you switch to Asus or Gigabyte with 2.6B it won't make a big different. The problem is B version you should have 800fsb to OC good.

My friend had 865PE Neo 2 PSF and he Overclocked 2.4cto 2.8 no problem there.

My other question is did you use Corecell, If you do GET rid of it, It's crap.

If need help why not check out this forum http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?sid=
I use it alot for help and they helped me out good for OC

Just giving all my best opinion.

Good Luck

yea im a member of the forum, and no i don't want to buy another mobo. if i would id buy a 915/925x chipset, makes no sense to buy another 865 board just to O/C. i just want to o/c with what i have, if i need thermal paste thats all im getting but i have no temp issues

people are saying the memory ill loosen the timings and see what happens when i kick up the voltage and mhz

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CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,805 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	it wouldn't slow the system down. If you were to run a bench mark, the scores wouldn't be as high as you would expect. Say your best score on 3Dmark03 right now is 5589, and you'd expect a score of about 6k @ 3.0 specs, w/tighter timings you could break like 6,500 in 3Dmark03. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

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Warpy DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,761 Rep Power: 0	Try and lock your AGP to 66mhz and lossen your mem timmings. I just set up my AMD64 and she is gonna cop it tonight with some serious voltage and FSB adjustment!! Muhahaahhahaha __________________ The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	it has to be your RAM giving out...i believe your proc could take that easily, but even if it cant it shouldnt cause windows to have to do a system restore, or make a need for a BIOS flash.

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MiDKnYtE Caffeine Machine Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hell is empty. All the devils are here. Posts: 670 Rep Power: 0	did you lock your ram at 400mhz? what ratio are you using? did you lock your agp/pci to 66/33?

Dec 6, 2004, 06:16 AM	Thread Starter #10
BiGBrOwNPimpsta HH's #1 Hustla and Pimp Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Dirty Dot Posts: 7,717 Rep Power: 107 System Specs	my ram is actually at 333mhz thanks to stupid 533fsb non hyperthreading (which i was forced to buy just 2 weeks before the release of the "C" processors __________________ Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Music \| Logitech Z-5500 THX 5.1 Surround Sound Speakers \| 2 Lite-On 20x S-ATA Burners \| Logitech G700 Mouse \| Logitech MX5500 Bluetooth Keyboard

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MiDKnYtE Caffeine Machine Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hell is empty. All the devils are here. Posts: 670 Rep Power: 0	are you sure the ram is at 333? what ratio are you using? if your fsb is 133, then your ratio would be 4/5 for the ram. you might just be limited by that older core.

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CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,805 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	you are right about that, MSI boards are not the best overclocking boards. Why not get another board, like an ASUS or ABIT 865/875 chipset board or something? Then you can run your 2.6 @ 3.0 no problem. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

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pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	indeed....get a 875p chipset

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technonerd DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 594 Rep Power: 0	Try update the Bios, ratio should be around 4/5, have you increase Ram voltage alittle? I got the same MSI Mobo the 865PE Neo2 FISR and I can OC 2.8(800fsb) to 3.2hz with newer heatsink also I have Corsair PC-3200 512mb X 2, been running it for 2 months now. Msi 865PE Neo2 is very good on Overclocking. I can promise if you switch to Asus or Gigabyte with 2.6B it won't make a big different. The problem is B version you should have 800fsb to OC good. My friend had 865PE Neo 2 PSF and he Overclocked 2.4cto 2.8 no problem there. My other question is did you use Corecell, If you do GET rid of it, It's crap. If need help why not check out this forum http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?sid= I use it alot for help and they helped me out good for OC Just giving all my best opinion. Good Luck