Whats the best celeron tually for overclocking?

WarGun · Oct 31, 2002, 06:16 PM

1.0/1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4

I know the 1.0a clocks good, what about the 1.3 its seems to be the highest
i can find at my fav store. or will the 1.2 o/c better?

Anyone?

digitalwanderer · Oct 31, 2002, 06:59 PM

The lower the speed, the better it'll probably overclock. I went a long time looking at tulies and had the same thing as you, all the local places only carried up to the 1.3. I picked up the 1.4 at a local show just on a whim since it was the first time I'd seen one, but I probably paid about $30 too much for .1 Ghz. (The 1.3's were $65-70us, the 1.4 was $100.)

I just wanted to get the fastest CPU my board could handle for a change, and at 1.736Ghz it's been knocking nicely for me.

WarGun · Nov 1, 2002, 02:21 AM

Hi dig

would you know anything bout the 1.3 not being able to go beyond
120fsb? toms hardware had this to say bout the 1.3 http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q...on1300-08.html Are they losing it over there or what? lol

They also tryed to o/c this proc with only PC100 ram. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q...on1300-02.html

So does this processor have a bottleneck or is toms gone crazy

digitalwanderer · Nov 1, 2002, 02:56 AM

I think he's just talking about the base 1.3Ghz celeron without any OCing, I didn't see the 120Mhz limit you were talking of. But Tom knows a lot more technically crap than me, so I could be wrong. All I know for sure is my 1.4@1.736 will kick the schitzels out of a Duron! (An Athlon will wipe the floor with me, but not a Duron!

)

I'm running my 1.4 @ 124FSB with PC133 memory in. I can take it up to about 127FSB, but she gets a bit squirrly. At 124FSB she's like a rock, a very quick rock.

(If you can't tell, I'm a BIG Tuly fan! I never thought I'd be able to take this mobo this fast! It's NOT just a celeron, it's a whole lot more like a PIII on steroids.

)

Starscream · Nov 1, 2002, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
(If you can't tell, I'm a BIG Tuly fan! I never thought I'd be able to take this mobo this fast! It's NOT just a celeron, it's a whole lot more like a PIII on steroids. )

Indeed.

As for that 120 mhz limit stuff that was likely just as high as that particular cpu wanted to go. My 1.2 runs at 1.49 (124 mhz fsb) quite nicely. Posts at 1600 (133 fsb) but won't load into windows. I'd go with a 1.3 if I had to buy another, in fact I'm thinking of buying a new one in hopes of getting the newer stepping and thus even more overclocking goodness.

Also the overclockers.com cpu database is a great resource:

http://www.cpudatabase.com/

WarGun · Nov 1, 2002, 05:20 AM

Ya i got this review over at newegghttp://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=19-112-160

So is 1.6Ghz over 120fsb? lol

Also not sure bout that guy beating an xp1800

or the 2g p4

Anyway im gonna try get that 1.4

if not the 1.3 will have to do.

Thanks guys Later

WarGun · Nov 1, 2002, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Starscream
Indeed.

As for that 120 mhz limit stuff that was likely just as high as that particular cpu wanted to go. My 1.2 runs at 1.49 (124 mhz fsb) quite nicely. Posts at 1600 (133 fsb) but won't load into windows. I'd go with a 1.3 if I had to buy another, in fact I'm thinking of buying a new one in hopes of getting the newer stepping and thus even more overclocking goodness.

Also the overclockers.com cpu database is a great resource:

http://www.cpudatabase.com/

Thanks for the link man

theres some serious o/cing going on there lol

JCLW · Nov 16, 2002, 01:46 AM

My first post in this forum

:

More importantly then the multiplier (ie: 1.0A vs 1.1A vs 1.2 vs 1.3 vs 1.4) is the stepping. A tB1 will overclock much better then a tA1.

My 1200 tB1 does 1600 (133FSB) at the default Vcore (1.50v) and 1700 (142FSB) at 1.75v.

http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showth...0&pagenumber=1

[edit]
As long as you have decent ram you're better off with a lower multiplier. A 1.2 @ 1600 (133FSB) will be considerably quicker then a 1.4 @ 1600 (115FSB) because of the considerably higher memory bandwidth.
[/edit]

DigitalWanderer: At what Vcore are you running that 1.4 to get 1.7+ out of it? I'm about to VID pin mod my 1.2 to get a 1.65 cold boot and 1.95 max out of it.

- JW

digitalwanderer · Nov 16, 2002, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JCLW
My first post in this forum :

More importantly then the multiplier (ie: 1.0A vs 1.1A vs 1.2 vs 1.3 vs 1.4) is the stepping. A tB1 will overclock much better then a tA1.

My 1200 tB1 does 1600 (133FSB) at the default Vcore (1.50v) and 1700 (142FSB) at 1.75v.

http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showth...0&pagenumber=1

[edit]
As long as you have decent ram you're better off with a lower multiplier. A 1.2 @ 1600 (133FSB) will be considerably quicker then a 1.4 @ 1600 (115FSB) because of the considerably higher memory bandwidth.
[/edit]

Err, uhm...should I understand any of that? Or is it AMD talk...

Quote:

DigitalWanderer: At what Vcore are you running that 1.4 to get 1.7+ out of it? I'm about to VID pin mod my 1.2 to get a 1.65 cold boot and 1.95 max out of it.

1.55v, just a .05 bump. She's runs REAL hot methinks, and any additional power kills it just as quick as too high a FSB.

BTW-Welcome to Driver Heaven, hope you'll visit and post often..I'm chatty.

JCLW · Nov 16, 2002, 03:19 AM

Thanks for the welcome, I really came for help on this but then I saw this thread and am playing around with celerons myself so...

re:

Quote:

Err, uhm...should I understand any of that? Or is it AMD talk...

While a processor is being manufactured it always undergoes a few changes to fix problems and improve yields.
Each change is called a new stepping.

intel uses three digit stepping codes, ie: tA1. In this case "t" tells us what core (in this case Tualatin; "c" = Coppermine, "k" = katmai...). "A" tells us the major revision, and "1" is the minor revision. So a tB1 is a major revision above the tA1. Newer steppings almost always o/c better then older ones.

CPU-Z is a cool little progam that tells you what stepping (and more) you've got under the hood without having to remove the heatsink and decode all the little numbers on the chip. CPU-Z shows it under "revision".

[pic removed to save bandwidth - just look below]

re:

Quote:

1.55v, just a .05 bump. She's runs REAL hot methinks, and any additional power kills it just as quick as too high a FSB.

At 1700 with 1.75 Vcore I run ~43C idle and ~48C loaded.

- JW

[edited for a better pic]

digitalwanderer · Nov 16, 2002, 05:30 AM

That actually made sense to me!

So I have about the first generation of the tuly 1.4, right?

(Hey, I'm figuring out screenshots too finally!

)

JCLW · Nov 16, 2002, 03:19 PM

Wargun: Sorry for stealing your thread. I'd suggest a 1.2A chip. Not sure about a celery beating a P4 2.0 or 1800+? Have a look at these scores:

And that's with a 64MB stick of PC100!!! I'm waiting on a 256mb stick of PC166 CL2

which should allow me to run faster.

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
That actually made sense to me!

So I have about the first generation of the tuly 1.4, right?

Glad to help. Yes you have the first generation.

Quote:

(Hey, I'm figuring out screenshots too finally!

)

tip: [ALT]+[PRINT SCREEN] just takes a screenshot of the current window.

- JW

WarGun · Nov 16, 2002, 03:47 PM

Yep looks good

Dig? are you getting anything close to this with your 1.4@1.7?

Steal my post ehh lol, no problem just glad to see a celery ocer
around

It gives me more incentive to get me upgrade going

Later

digitalwanderer · Nov 16, 2002, 04:11 PM

I'm not sure...I don't usually bench that one. Lemme go and run it and find out. You prefer XP or 98se results?

JCLW · Nov 16, 2002, 05:23 PM

I wrote a Tually volt mod article for anyone interested:

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...7863#post57863

[edit for spelling]

- JW

digitalwanderer · Nov 16, 2002, 06:05 PM

DAMN IT! You would post this on my wife's chosen "Garage Clean-up & Kitchen Sink Fixing Day"!

j/k

Thanks for the tip...maybe that's why I have trouble going over 1.55 on my OCing....

JCLW · Nov 16, 2002, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
BTW-Welcome to Driver Heaven, hope you'll visit and post often...

digitalwanderer · Nov 16, 2002, 06:40 PM

I was just joshing around with the "evil" comments, I'm weird that way. Hope I didn't offend, I REALLY want to keep people here who can teach me fun ways to make my PC go faster without the hassle of spending money.

WarGun · Nov 16, 2002, 09:13 PM

lol digs busy today so we better shut up!

Take your good ole time man, and fix that darn sink before the
wife kills ya

digitalwanderer · Nov 16, 2002, 09:34 PM

And I was gonna rip Bubbles apart and try it, but the darn "kids" thing came up when me Mom brought them home and I think they'll keep me busy for the rest of today...and probably tomorrow...

Actually, maybe that's a GOOD THING(tm). I should probably move me thermal probes and get some baseline tempature readings, then do some over-volting and see what kind of temps I get at what voltages.... (Hey, I would have thought of it before I had them little wire bridges in...honest.

)

JCLW · Nov 17, 2002, 10:25 PM

^ updated graphs - now at 1740 and using Sandra 2003 ^

The different versions of sandra sure change the scores around.

- JW

digitalwanderer · Nov 17, 2002, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JCLW
^ updated graphs - now at 1740 and using Sandra 2003 ^

The different versions of sandra sure change the scores around.

- JW

THANK THE GODS!!!!

I thought my tuly was really sucking there the first time I ran my tests and compared them to yours! The above seems a lot more in line with my own.

I think I would have melted my mobo trying to get your score if'n you hadn't have posted!

JCLW · Nov 17, 2002, 10:37 PM

What kind of scores do you get?

I'm curious to see what kind of a difference the FSB speed makes as we're both running at ~1740.

Run clibench as well (160kb): http://www.octools.com/files/clibench-0.7.15.zip

- JW

digitalwanderer · Nov 17, 2002, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JCLW
What kind of scores do you get?

I'm curious to see what kind of a difference the FSB speed makes as we're both running at ~1740.

Run clibench as well (160kb): http://www.octools.com/files/clibench-0.7.15.zip

- JW

Like this?

( Hey, this screenshot sh&t is easy! Thanks for the tips.

)

JCLW · Nov 17, 2002, 11:58 PM

Thanks

I really have to get some CL2 memory timings happening.

What do you get for sandra multimedia scores?

- JW

digitalwanderer · Nov 18, 2002, 12:17 AM

Your wish is my command.

Just out of curiousity, what does it all mean and how does Bubbles rate? From what I'm thinking she don't look too bad, but I think I can get a bit more out of her.

JCLW · Nov 18, 2002, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Just out of curiousity, what does it all mean and how does Bubbles rate? From what I'm thinking she don't look too bad, but I think I can get a bit more out of her.

Those are very decent scores. I'd say you're running about as fast as a P4 2.0 or XP1700+.

clibench:
"Dhrystone V 2.1: Standard benchmark for the integer performance. The program code is about 16 kB, that means, depending on your CPU architecture, that it runs fully in level one cache. The faster the clock speed and the more sophisticated your CPU's architecture the better the results.

Whetstone: A standard for the floating point performance. Runs also fully in level 1 cache. Measures your FPU.

Eight queens problem: Runs mostly in level 1 cache. It's a test that measures how your CPU handles recursive functions. Depends mostly on the CPU's architecture.

Matrix operations: Runs mostly in level 2 cache. If you've got no cache you'll get very bad results.

Number crunch performance: Shows how fast your CPU does integer calculations. It does some time consuming calculations.

Floating point performance: This test uses nothing than FPU functions. It does calculations, conversions and other stuff."

Sandra:
"Q: What is the Dhrystone benchmark?
A: The original Dhrystone benchmark is still widely used to measure CPU performance in industry under various versions/variants. The benchmark is designed to contain a representative sample of types of operations, mostly numerical, used by applications. Unfortunately this does not always represent a true real-life performance, but is useful to compare the speed of various CPUs.

Q: What is the Whetstone benchmark?
A: The Whetstone benchmark is widely used in the computer industry as a measure of FPU or Co-Processor performance. Floating-point arithmetic is most significant in programs that require a Co-Processor. These are mostly scientific, engineering, statistical and computer-aided design programs."

- JW

digitalwanderer · Nov 18, 2002, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JCLW
Those are very decent scores. I'd say you're running about as fast as a P4 2.0 or XP1700+.

That's what I sort of thought looking at the results, but it seemed a bit too good to be true to me. Thanks!

JCLW · Dec 2, 2002, 07:35 PM

I dropped a Radeon 7200 in the Cellery box. I should get my 256mb stick of PC150 CL2 memory this week as well

I lapped the processor and heatsink last night and will re-assemble tonight with thermal paste. I might get a better heatsink instead 'tho - I'm not sure.

WarGun: Did you get your Tualeron yet?

- JW

JCLW · Dec 3, 2002, 07:40 PM

Another update:

I used AS3 when I put the heatsink back on and idle temp dropped from 43 to 33, and loaded temp dropped from 48 to 37. I'm still waiting for the memory... I really want to get up to 1800 (150FSB) now with 2/2/2/5/7 memory timings

- JW

Oct 31, 2002, 06:16 PM	#1
WarGun DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 251 Rep Power: 0	Whats the best celeron tually for overclocking? 1.0/1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4 I know the 1.0a clocks good, what about the 1.3 its seems to be the highest i can find at my fav store. or will the 1.2 o/c better? Anyone?

Oct 31, 2002, 06:59 PM	#2
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,620 Rep Power: 0	I'd go 1.3 The lower the speed, the better it'll probably overclock. I went a long time looking at tulies and had the same thing as you, all the local places only carried up to the 1.3. I picked up the 1.4 at a local show just on a whim since it was the first time I'd seen one, but I probably paid about $30 too much for .1 Ghz. (The 1.3's were $65-70us, the 1.4 was $100.) I just wanted to get the fastest CPU my board could handle for a change, and at 1.736Ghz it's been knocking nicely for me. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Nov 1, 2002, 02:56 AM	#4
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,620 Rep Power: 0	IMHO, Tom is high. I think he's just talking about the base 1.3Ghz celeron without any OCing, I didn't see the 120Mhz limit you were talking of. But Tom knows a lot more technically crap than me, so I could be wrong. All I know for sure is my 1.4@1.736 will kick the schitzels out of a Duron! (An Athlon will wipe the floor with me, but not a Duron! ) I'm running my 1.4 @ 124FSB with PC133 memory in. I can take it up to about 127FSB, but she gets a bit squirrly. At 124FSB she's like a rock, a very quick rock. (If you can't tell, I'm a BIG Tuly fan! I never thought I'd be able to take this mobo this fast! It's NOT just a celeron, it's a whole lot more like a PIII on steroids. ) __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Nov 16, 2002, 01:46 AM	#8
JCLW Long Live The P6! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	My first post in this forum : More importantly then the multiplier (ie: 1.0A vs 1.1A vs 1.2 vs 1.3 vs 1.4) is the stepping. A tB1 will overclock much better then a tA1. My 1200 tB1 does 1600 (133FSB) at the default Vcore (1.50v) and 1700 (142FSB) at 1.75v. http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showth...0&pagenumber=1 [edit] As long as you have decent ram you're better off with a lower multiplier. A 1.2 @ 1600 (133FSB) will be considerably quicker then a 1.4 @ 1600 (115FSB) because of the considerably higher memory bandwidth. [/edit] DigitalWanderer: At what Vcore are you running that 1.4 to get 1.7+ out of it? I'm about to VID pin mod my 1.2 to get a 1.65 cold boot and 1.95 max out of it. - JW Last edited by JCLW; Nov 16, 2002 at 01:53 AM.

Nov 16, 2002, 05:30 AM	#11
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,620 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the explanation. That actually made sense to me! So I have about the first generation of the tuly 1.4, right? (Hey, I'm figuring out screenshots too finally! ) __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Nov 1, 2002, 02:21 AM	Thread Starter #3
WarGun DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 251 Rep Power: 0	Hi dig would you know anything bout the 1.3 not being able to go beyond 120fsb? toms hardware had this to say bout the 1.3 http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q...on1300-08.html Are they losing it over there or what? lol They also tryed to o/c this proc with only PC100 ram. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q...on1300-02.html So does this processor have a bottleneck or is toms gone crazy

Nov 1, 2002, 05:20 AM	Thread Starter #6
WarGun DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 251 Rep Power: 0	Ya i got this review over at newegghttp://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=19-112-160 So is 1.6Ghz over 120fsb? lol Also not sure bout that guy beating an xp1800 or the 2g p4 Anyway im gonna try get that 1.4 if not the 1.3 will have to do. Thanks guys Later

Nov 16, 2002, 03:47 PM	Thread Starter #13
WarGun DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 251 Rep Power: 0	Yep looks good Dig? are you getting anything close to this with your 1.4@1.7? Steal my post ehh lol, no problem just glad to see a celery ocer around It gives me more incentive to get me upgrade going Later

Nov 16, 2002, 04:11 PM	#14
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,620 Rep Power: 0	Errr..... I'm not sure...I don't usually bench that one. Lemme go and run it and find out. You prefer XP or 98se results? __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Nov 16, 2002, 05:23 PM	#15
JCLW Long Live The P6! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	I wrote a Tually volt mod article for anyone interested: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...7863#post57863 [edit for spelling] - JW Last edited by JCLW; Nov 16, 2002 at 09:44 PM.

Nov 16, 2002, 06:05 PM	#16
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,620 Rep Power: 0	EVIL! EVIL-EVIL-EVIL!!! DAMN IT! You would post this on my wife's chosen "Garage Clean-up & Kitchen Sink Fixing Day"! j/k Thanks for the tip...maybe that's why I have trouble going over 1.55 on my OCing.... __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Nov 16, 2002, 06:40 PM	#18
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,620 Rep Power: 0	I MEANT THAT!!! I was just joshing around with the "evil" comments, I'm weird that way. Hope I didn't offend, I REALLY want to keep people here who can teach me fun ways to make my PC go faster without the hassle of spending money. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Nov 16, 2002, 09:13 PM	Thread Starter #19
WarGun DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 251 Rep Power: 0	lol digs busy today so we better shut up! Take your good ole time man, and fix that darn sink before the wife kills ya

Nov 16, 2002, 09:34 PM	#20
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,620 Rep Power: 0	The sink is VERY fine and the mini-van is in the garage. And I was gonna rip Bubbles apart and try it, but the darn "kids" thing came up when me Mom brought them home and I think they'll keep me busy for the rest of today...and probably tomorrow... Actually, maybe that's a GOOD THING(tm). I should probably move me thermal probes and get some baseline tempature readings, then do some over-volting and see what kind of temps I get at what voltages.... (Hey, I would have thought of it before I had them little wire bridges in...honest. ) __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Nov 17, 2002, 10:25 PM	#21
JCLW Long Live The P6! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	^ updated graphs - now at 1740 and using Sandra 2003 ^ The different versions of sandra sure change the scores around. - JW

Nov 17, 2002, 10:37 PM	#23
JCLW Long Live The P6! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	What kind of scores do you get? I'm curious to see what kind of a difference the FSB speed makes as we're both running at ~1740. Run clibench as well (160kb): http://www.octools.com/files/clibench-0.7.15.zip - JW Last edited by JCLW; Nov 17, 2002 at 10:54 PM.

Nov 17, 2002, 11:58 PM	#25
JCLW Long Live The P6! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	Thanks I really have to get some CL2 memory timings happening. What do you get for sandra multimedia scores? - JW

Nov 18, 2002, 12:17 AM	#26
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,620 Rep Power: 0	Your wish is my command. Just out of curiousity, what does it all mean and how does Bubbles rate? From what I'm thinking she don't look too bad, but I think I can get a bit more out of her. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Dec 2, 2002, 07:35 PM	#29
JCLW Long Live The P6! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	Update: I dropped a Radeon 7200 in the Cellery box. I should get my 256mb stick of PC150 CL2 memory this week as well I lapped the processor and heatsink last night and will re-assemble tonight with thermal paste. I might get a better heatsink instead 'tho - I'm not sure. WarGun: Did you get your Tualeron yet? - JW

Dec 3, 2002, 07:40 PM	#30
JCLW Long Live The P6! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	Another update: I used AS3 when I put the heatsink back on and idle temp dropped from 43 to 33, and loaded temp dropped from 48 to 37. I'm still waiting for the memory... I really want to get up to 1800 (150FSB) now with 2/2/2/5/7 memory timings - JW