Roadee's Fastest Rig Comp.: Would you like an additional division for low-end PCs?

Dom · Dec 30, 2004, 04:41 AM

Right now we have three divisions (Super Modified, Pro Stock and Stock) each with two classes (one for AMD, one for Intel). Would you like a new division for low-end PCs?

For those whom don't know what 'Roadee's Fastest Rig Competition' is: see here.

Drakon · Dec 30, 2004, 06:24 AM

one question, when u say low end, how low is 'low'? and also this ranges from cpu to vid card, right? i mean i see for the AMD Stock, the person with the highest score has a x800 xt pe. kinda hard to top that with a xp 2700+ and a 9800 pro...

Dom · Dec 30, 2004, 07:06 AM

I don't know, P4 Northwood (non-EE)/Athlon XP Barton and 6600/9800.

CDsDontBurn · Dec 30, 2004, 07:18 AM

for low end, i would think it would be more along the lines of anything lower than xp2500/p4 2.6 533FSB and no higher than fx5700/or 9600

Dom · Dec 30, 2004, 07:19 AM

This is just to see if it's wanted. I'll work out the details later.

Sargentwhitey · Dec 30, 2004, 07:30 AM

I say the "low end" should consist of nothing more than a 9800XT/5950 Ultra... those X800XT's are hard to compete with....

CDsDontBurn · Dec 30, 2004, 07:31 AM

well, i don't see why we don't have a low end competition. It's only fair to those who don't have an awsome rig like some of us to be able to compete amongst themselves. Everybody should have a competition they can enter their rig in.

Logla · Dec 30, 2004, 12:02 PM

I think its a good idea. Always did. I definitely reckon that the high end gpus need to be banned from that class.

A p4 3.0 with a 9800pro aint really gonna be much competition for a p4 2.4 with an x800xt due to the heavy reliance on on 3dMark. ( I know 3gig cpus are high end - just using that for an example)

I know that PCmark is included as well but to be honest, this is only a small part of the overclock. You cant really base the competition on CPU performance when 2 out of the 3 test results are based on graphics hardware.

Iridium · Dec 30, 2004, 03:11 PM

I like this idea too. However, I have a 3.2 gig CPU, but it certainly didn't cost me any real "high end" prices. I picked it up for 250... and along with my vid card, the 6600gt, it isn't high end, cost me the same since it was the AGP version around 250. I would like it to be a cutoff, or at least a lvl for a rig like mine since i suppose, mine is no where near low end, but midrange stuff. I never shell out more than 250 bucks on any 1 component no matter what it is really. 500 for a vid card would be rediculous, I guess I would like to see a group where my GFX card and CPU lvls would be accepted into some sort of competitions. I am all air cooled, with no volt mods, and I deffinately can't afford to upgrade to a 500 dollar card everytime a new high end card comes out to be able to compete with some of these guys.

Maybe 6600gt/x700 be the card cut offs. Processors on the other hand, I am not sure, since most of these tests are heavily reliant on the GFX card, right?

Iridium · Dec 30, 2004, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom

I don't know, P4 Northwood (non-EE)/Athlon XP Barton and 6600/9800.

I just saw this and this seems like a good starting point for a discussion on the limits...

riles9262 · Dec 30, 2004, 03:34 PM

Damn I was hoping for the low end to be the p3 generation

Lowfat · Dec 30, 2004, 04:35 PM

I sorta like this idea also. What i really dislike is how water-cooling makes you automatically in the highest category. Just cause i water cool doesn't make my computer faster.

drakesteakn · Dec 30, 2004, 04:59 PM

voted yes on this one. its been long over due

Iridium · Dec 30, 2004, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tulcakelume

I sorta like this idea also. What i really dislike is how water-cooling makes you automatically in the highest category. Just cause i water cool doesn't make my computer faster.

But hopefully for this new competition there would be different catagories just like in the ones now:Super Modified, Modified, Stock, etc...

That would be fair, as long as "midrange" and/or "lowrange" limits were set on CPU's and GPU's, because if you are having a watercooled CPU and GFX card, you should be able to push them farther than those of us who choose air. It just puts you in a differerent "bracket" in a completely seperate "catagory".

Shadow Lady · Dec 30, 2004, 05:57 PM

low end should be up to 2500/2600xp and 2.6 P4, with no more than a 9600/9500 radeon or GFFX5700 as 6600/x700/9800 are being sold as mainstream right?, i dont think i could compete to even low end but lol, whatever

CDsDontBurn · Dec 30, 2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow Lady

low end should be up to 2500/2600xp and 2.6 P4, with no more than a 9600/9500 radeon or GFFX5700 as 6600/x700/9800 are being sold as mainstream right?, i dont think i could compete to even low end but lol, whatever

looking at your siggy, and i think your specs would be what fits low end.

Sarrow · Dec 30, 2004, 07:04 PM

Maybe the highest for P4 is 3.0 and Amd to the 3200 for Midrange

Drakon · Dec 30, 2004, 07:48 PM

i think the highest cpus for this class could be a amd 2800+ or a p4 2.8 ghz. the highest vid card should be a fx5950 or 9800 pro. just my idea though...

damn it, this also means i gotta get legit cdkeys for 3d mark '03 and '05...

Shadow Lady · Dec 31, 2004, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

looking at your siggy, and i think your specs would be what fits low end.

well, yeah it is low end definitely, it just wouldnt compete to the fastest low end

god, i remember a year ago this would still fit mainstream, i hate being so low on my hardware

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakon

i think the highest cpus for this class could be a amd 2800+ or a p4 2.8 ghz. the highest vid card should be a fx5950 or 9800 pro. just my idea though...

damn it, this also means i gotta get legit cdkeys for 3d mark '03 and '05...

or u could always unregister it and submit as free version

Drakon · Dec 31, 2004, 11:52 PM

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or u could always unregister it and submit as free version

hmmm, to do that i need to uninstall and reinstall right?

CDsDontBurn · Jan 1, 2005, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Drakon

hmmm, to do that i need to uninstall and reinstall right?

yup. and you don't get all the goodies you get w/the registered version of it. just run all the necessary tests and hit ESC and that's it.

Shadow Lady · Jan 3, 2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Drakon

hmmm, to do that i need to uninstall and reinstall right?

No, u just travel in the registry to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Futuremark\" and delete the "KeyCode" key on your product, after u've done what u have to do, u can re-register it again by the "Register" button when oppening the apps

that for the 3dmarks, for the pcmark is even easier, u open the app, right clic and "Unregister" and then when u want to register again there is the "Activate" button

Drakon · Jan 3, 2005, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow Lady

No, u just travel in the registry to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Futuremark\" and delete the "KeyCode" key on your product, after u've done what u have to do, u can re-register it again by the "Register" button when oppening the apps

that for the 3dmarks, for the pcmark is even easier, u open the app, right clic and "Unregister" and then when u want to register again there is the "Activate" button

cool, thanks shadowy lady...

Dom · Jan 6, 2005, 10:00 PM

We're gonna go with a new mainstream division.

Thanks, all.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...698#post526698

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Dec 30, 2004, 04:41 AM	#1
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Roadee's Fastest Rig Comp.: Would you like an additional division for low-end PCs? Right now we have three divisions (Super Modified, Pro Stock and Stock) each with two classes (one for AMD, one for Intel). Would you like a new division for low-end PCs? For those whom don't know what 'Roadee's Fastest Rig Competition' is: see here.

Dec 30, 2004, 07:18 AM	#4
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,805 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	for low end, i would think it would be more along the lines of anything lower than xp2500/p4 2.6 533FSB and no higher than fx5700/or 9600 __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Dec 30, 2004, 07:30 AM	#6
Sargentwhitey Has a JOB.. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 1,473 Rep Power: 0	I say the "low end" should consist of nothing more than a 9800XT/5950 Ultra... those X800XT's are hard to compete with.... __________________ Mobile:Intel Celeron M 1.5GHz, 40GB WD, 1GB PC24000, Intel Mediocre Graphics 2, SB Audigy 2 Notebook

Dec 30, 2004, 07:31 AM	#7
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,805 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	well, i don't see why we don't have a low end competition. It's only fair to those who don't have an awsome rig like some of us to be able to compete amongst themselves. Everybody should have a competition they can enter their rig in. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Dec 30, 2004, 06:24 AM	#2
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	one question, when u say low end, how low is 'low'? and also this ranges from cpu to vid card, right? i mean i see for the AMD Stock, the person with the highest score has a x800 xt pe. kinda hard to top that with a xp 2700+ and a 9800 pro...

Dec 30, 2004, 07:06 AM	Thread Starter #3
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	I don't know, P4 Northwood (non-EE)/Athlon XP Barton and 6600/9800.

Dec 30, 2004, 07:19 AM	Thread Starter #5
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	This is just to see if it's wanted. I'll work out the details later.

Dec 30, 2004, 12:02 PM	#8
Logla HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 0	I think its a good idea. Always did. I definitely reckon that the high end gpus need to be banned from that class. A p4 3.0 with a 9800pro aint really gonna be much competition for a p4 2.4 with an x800xt due to the heavy reliance on on 3dMark. ( I know 3gig cpus are high end - just using that for an example) I know that PCmark is included as well but to be honest, this is only a small part of the overclock. You cant really base the competition on CPU performance when 2 out of the 3 test results are based on graphics hardware.

Dec 30, 2004, 03:11 PM	#9
Iridium DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO. Posts: 402 Rep Power: 0	I like this idea too. However, I have a 3.2 gig CPU, but it certainly didn't cost me any real "high end" prices. I picked it up for 250... and along with my vid card, the 6600gt, it isn't high end, cost me the same since it was the AGP version around 250. I would like it to be a cutoff, or at least a lvl for a rig like mine since i suppose, mine is no where near low end, but midrange stuff. I never shell out more than 250 bucks on any 1 component no matter what it is really. 500 for a vid card would be rediculous, I guess I would like to see a group where my GFX card and CPU lvls would be accepted into some sort of competitions. I am all air cooled, with no volt mods, and I deffinately can't afford to upgrade to a 500 dollar card everytime a new high end card comes out to be able to compete with some of these guys. Maybe 6600gt/x700 be the card cut offs. Processors on the other hand, I am not sure, since most of these tests are heavily reliant on the GFX card, right? __________________ [color=navy]Win XP-Home Sp 2[/color] [color=blue]P4 3.2c @ 3.52 @1.6v w/SLK-900U[/color] [color=royalblue]Abit IC7-G BIOS Rev. 27[/color] [color=deepskyblue]1GB Corsair XMS XL Pro @ 2.5/3/2/6 1:1 @ 220FSB[/color] [color=lightblue]XFX 6600GT @ 585/1175 w/Stock Cooling[/color] [color=lightblue]74gb Raptor/40gb WD Caviar[/color] [color=lightblue]Ultra-X Connect 500w[/color] [color=white]3DMark03[/color],[color=white]PCMark04[/color]

Dec 30, 2004, 03:34 PM	#11
riles9262 Driverheaven brewmaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,842 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	Damn I was hoping for the low end to be the p3 generation __________________ A beer a day keeps the doctor away.

Dec 30, 2004, 04:35 PM	#12
Lowfat Xtreme Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Grande Prairie, AB, Can Posts: 4,254 Rep Power: 101	I sorta like this idea also. What i really dislike is how water-cooling makes you automatically in the highest category. Just cause i water cool doesn't make my computer faster. __________________

Dec 30, 2004, 04:59 PM	#13
drakesteakn boo!!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ft. Meyers, FL Posts: 2,041 Rep Power: 0	voted yes on this one. its been long over due __________________

Dec 30, 2004, 05:57 PM	#15
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	low end should be up to 2500/2600xp and 2.6 P4, with no more than a 9600/9500 radeon or GFFX5700 as 6600/x700/9800 are being sold as mainstream right?, i dont think i could compete to even low end but lol, whatever __________________ Oblivion ftw

Dec 30, 2004, 07:04 PM	#17
Sarrow DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	Maybe the highest for P4 is 3.0 and Amd to the 3200 for Midrange __________________ Specs ASUSTek P4SD-VL- no mods, stock cooling Intel Pentinum 4 HT 3.0 Ghz Radeon 9550 softmodded into Radeon 9600XT (455/225) 768MB DDR 3200-Defualt Stock RAM Defualt Stock Cooling Fans Omega's 4.12 Official Drivers 3DMark03-10505 PCMARK04-4189 Last edited by Sarrow; Dec 30, 2004 at 07:14 PM.

Dec 30, 2004, 07:48 PM	#18
Drakon DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Floatin'... Posts: 4,957 Rep Power: 0	i think the highest cpus for this class could be a amd 2800+ or a p4 2.8 ghz. the highest vid card should be a fx5950 or 9800 pro. just my idea though... damn it, this also means i gotta get legit cdkeys for 3d mark '03 and '05...

Jan 6, 2005, 10:00 PM	Thread Starter #24
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	We're gonna go with a new mainstream division. Thanks, all. http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...698#post526698