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Judas · Nov 18, 2005, 06:05 AM

no.. default volts...

btw... making a new memtest boot disc..

Ryder, do you have any specific recommendations for a memtest program that i can boot from a CD?

BWX · Nov 18, 2005, 06:06 AM

OCZ loves juice!

*RyderOCZ* · Nov 18, 2005, 06:06 AM

www.memtest.org there is a bin file you can burn straight to CD with Nero or whatever.

Your issue is voltage...these Golds like 2.8 to run right....jack it up to 2.8 or 2.85, whatever the board will give

Judas · Nov 18, 2005, 06:11 AM

ok..... i'll pump up the voltage (i think my asus rev 2 board provides a max of 3.0 volts)

I'll set it to 2.8 as you mentioned.. and retry some of the recommended settings.... (like i mentioned.. i'm using defaults/stock settings for everything)

*RyderOCZ* · Nov 18, 2005, 06:17 AM

2-2-2-x should run just fine at 2.8 - 2.85V....sorry I didn't realize you were at any different or I would have posted that sooner....that might solve the 1T issue also.

OC'ing these is going to take juice and some looser timings. If you can go 3.0V (make sure you get a fan on them) and run 2-3-2-5 timings (CAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) you could see 220-230ish...maybe even 240 if they are a good pair.

Judas · Nov 18, 2005, 06:28 AM

ack.. one of the problems i've been having just showed up trying to type out another post (IE6 crashing with no error message except for MS report error thing)

Anyways, no fan available for ram.... not running anything steller.. just the basic "decent" air cooling (and i'm quite surprised.. the Intel CPU tube vent thing, using on my x2 and it's actually helping it cool better

)

Judas · Nov 18, 2005, 06:06 PM

Just set 1T/2T to 1T...you should be in the Blue slots for the ram and everything looks good.
CAS = 2
TRAS = 5 (if you want..shouldn't make any difference)
Trcd = 2
Trp = 2
Trc = 11
Trfc = 14
Trtw or Trwt probably = 4 (3 here if it will boot that way)
Twr = 3
1T/2T = 1T

All i did was go into the bios. set DDR voltage to 2.85

then i set those above values (even the trtw to 3, which before, wouldn't even post before)... and i'm in windows... running actually a little noticeably faster. So far no crashes at all... I'll report back later.

BTW, yes, my motherboard reports that it can provide 3.0 volts to the DDR... but i don't have any fans aside from my OCZ Modstream, 120mm fan in the back, a P4 Intel Duct that works well with my X2 and XP-90 with a 92mm fan on it. a South Bridge Fan and a Slot fan. I've nothing else.. but seems to be keeping everything nice and cool (x2 under load at 32-33*C )

Judas · Nov 19, 2005, 09:54 AM

no oddities to report... looking good.. put it through a number of things that would usually crash without a problem so far

2.85 volts apparently is VERY well liked. (almost a nessity)

Scargo · Nov 19, 2005, 04:06 PM

In all this discussion with Judas, I am not clear about which RAM you are speaking of... Is it [color=#cc0000][color=#37329b]OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Gold GX XTC Dual Channel?
[color=black]Do you always want to run (or have to run) the dual-channel type for the A8n-E board?[/color][/color][/color]

*RyderOCZ* · Nov 19, 2005, 04:10 PM

I do not think he has the new heatspreader style Scargo, he just has the OCZ4001024ELDCGE-K which is the PC3200 Gold with the older heatspreader.

They are both the same (BH die IC's), one with the new heatspreader one not.

Judas · Nov 19, 2005, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scargo

In all this discussion with Judas, I am not clear about which RAM you are speaking of... Is it [color=#cc0000][color=#37329b]OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Gold GX XTC Dual Channel?
[color=black]Do you always want to run (or have to run) the dual-channel type for the A8n-E board?[/color][/color][/color]

this appears to be what i have

http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...l_channel_gold

Judas · Nov 19, 2005, 08:21 PM

Kinda curious.... with this ram, would 225fsb with these tight of timing be possible? (you mentioned 225 with 3v right?... so is there a chance that i could manage that speed at 2.85v?)

atm, i'm burning in at 210fsb (1100x2) with my 4400+ @ 2.31 ghz

ATM, i've run a few dozen tests, no increase in temperatures on my southbridge/cpu/power (heh, still at 32*C under load)

*RyderOCZ* · Nov 19, 2005, 11:47 PM

225 with 2.85V would be really stellar pair of sticks and I doubt it. These IC's (Winbond BH die) do not scale like other ram (TCCD, TCC5, Hynix) with low voltage...they need more juice to run faster.
The benefit of this is you can maintain the tight timings all the way to their max speed. If you were able to provide 3.5-3.6V to them...250+ at 2-2-2-x timings would be possible.

If you want to scale up a bit and keep the voltage low...I would recommend 2-3-2-x (CAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) timings which might get you more speed with less voltage

Judas · Nov 20, 2005, 02:08 AM

a well.. everything seems solid @ 2.85 volts... and checking the temps on the spreaders.. they aren't even warm to the touch....

things appear to be quite cool yet even at only a little more fsb and of course the voltage i have them at.

I'm going to see if i can manage another 120mm fan into the front of the case providing just that much more air flow over the ram... at which point.. i should be able to max out my motherboards voltage and start pushing harder

(you think?)

Scargo · Nov 20, 2005, 03:16 PM

So,... my new A8N32-SLI board (in transit) which puts out up to 3.2 volts, may still not be all this particular Gold RAM can handle?

I guess it will be enough for my four Titanium sticks? I guess the "Gold" would be a step up in potential performance from what I have?

I wished OCZ's website would make clear their RAMs performance levels. At least baseline performance. Theoretical range of performance would be outstanding....
Right now the descriptions are confusing (to me, at least): Is Gold more "expensive" (thus more desirable) than Platinum, or Titanium "stronger" (thus better) than Platinum or Gold? I think this is all very confusing hyperbole. All the descriptions are flattering, too. Which is "most super fast" or which is "most reliable"? Does "gamer extreme" with "XTC" mean it is less safe, less stable (like: "Hey, I drive a fast race car and sometimes I'm not so stable and in control"!)? Does it imply that with these sticks, you can stay up all night and play games and reach higher scores?
Seriously......
What I would like to see is a performance/specifications chart with links to each RAM's page. I hate all the digging around I have to do to compare them. It would also be nice to demistify the types of chips/features on a stick and what they are best for, capable of, etc. Perhaps a glossary of relevant RAM terms and OCZ's acronyms (again, stuff all in one place). Ryder...Get to work on this right away!

The best I can do, for now, is compare them at NewEgg, which is a fantastic site, BTW. It is great as, if for nothing more than, a fantastic resource to easily find and compare products, side by side.
BTW, I am pretty loyal to NewEgg for their fantastic performance (and their great site and prices) in the past. And they appear to have a distribution center in New Jersey, near me. I usually get things in one or two days while only paying for three day shipping! Once I got stuff the next day!

Oh-oh, .... I guess I've had enough coffee!
Thanks to you, Ryder, and your cohort for all the help on the forum!

Judas · Nov 20, 2005, 07:13 PM

Platnium is the best ocz ram you get.. the highest overclocking/voltage you can feed there ram. Gold is next/ copper/ Titanium last... then you got there value (this is what i understand)

BTW, currently running 215fsb (sliver away from 4800+ speed).... ram and cpu both stable atm.. (i'm running a full day with various games/benchmarks running constantly as my test, if it passes, the next morning i wake up and bump it another 5mhz)

*RyderOCZ* · Nov 20, 2005, 09:39 PM

Titanium - Server Class customers who want Advanced replacement if necessary

Platinum - More geared toward overclocking with enhanced latency products also.

Gold - Gamers line - Bling, tight timings with good overclockability.

Performance - Enthusiast line, solid peformance at reasonable cost, less overclockable.

Value - General users, good Price, solid performance.

Lowfat · Nov 20, 2005, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

Platnium is the best ocz ram you get.. the highest overclocking/voltage you can feed there ram. Gold is next/ copper/ Titanium last... then you got there value (this is what i understand)

BTW, currently running 215fsb (sliver away from 4800+ speed).... ram and cpu both stable atm.. (i'm running a full day with various games/benchmarks running constantly as my test, if it passes, the next morning i wake up and bump it another 5mhz)

I'd take my Gold VX over platinum anyday

however its just my opinion.

Judas · Nov 21, 2005, 01:31 AM

i'll be happy as hell if i can manage another 5mhz on the FSB without having to touch anything else....

4800+ speeds (or better actually)

Lowfat · Nov 28, 2005, 04:51 PM

Mailman came today, thought he was dropping off my Firefly DVDs, however when i opened it, it was my replacement DDR Booster

I wish all companies had as quick and smooth RMA's as OCZ.

*RyderOCZ* · Nov 29, 2005, 04:05 AM

Great

Thanks for the update Tulcakelume.

Lowfat · Dec 2, 2005, 11:36 AM

Question here, on my last system (2500+ XP-M, DFI NF2 Infinity Ultra) my 2X512 of PC3200 Gold VX would run 240 @ 2-2-2-11 @ 3.3V all day. However now on my P4C800
deluxe it requires a whole lot more voltage. I need 3.4V just to run 2-2-2-5 @ 200FSB. Any Ideas?

CDsDontBurn · Dec 2, 2005, 07:37 PM

is your memory rated to run 2-2-2-5 @ 400Mhz?

OmegaRED · Dec 2, 2005, 07:56 PM

EDIT: NM

Lowfat · Dec 2, 2005, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

is your memory rated to run 2-2-2-5 @ 400Mhz?

yes @ 3.2V.

*RyderOCZ* · Dec 3, 2005, 08:13 AM

The UTT chips do not run as well on Intel as they do on AMD systems.

Performance Mode at Auto?
Refresh at 7.8us
Burst Length 8 (try 4 also)
Idle Limit at Infinite

Raise the AGP voltage to 1.6-1.7V...this will raise the voltage to the northbridge where the memory controller is.

Try CAS = 2.5 or Trcd = 3 (so... 2.5-2-2-x or 2-3-2-x timings)

Try also running Tras at 7 or 8

Lowfat · Dec 3, 2005, 09:47 AM

Even with those settings I couldn't scale like it could on my NF2 system. It would run 250FSB @ 2.5-3-3-7 no problem, its just the 2-2-2-* that it doesn't seem to like.

Maybe i'll just sell these off and buy some new ram. Does OCZ have any BH-5 sticks which are warrantied to decently high volts (i.e. 3.3V)

*RyderOCZ* · Dec 3, 2005, 05:53 PM

No we do not have any BH based ram warranted to that voltage.

Even the BH UTT does not run as well on Intel as the "Classic" BH-5 used to. Everyone calls them BH-5....but that is just not the case...they are BH Die UTT (Untested TSOP)....they are not the same as BH-5 used to be....they are close..... based on the fact they scale with voltage at tight timings and won't boot at CAS=3 .... but they are not the same

[hobo]eclipse · Feb 10, 2006, 07:58 AM

Hey Ryder,

im havin some trouble with my 3200 VX kit, one of the sticks wont pass a second of any memtesting at any volts or timings, tried it in my nforce 2 and in this new setup, trouble is in the very very first MB's , the other is runnin an est. 210 @ 2-3-3-7 dual channel @ 2.7 volts, with some old KHX CH my bro had.

*RyderOCZ* · Feb 10, 2006, 03:42 PM

Send me an email with a link to this thread [hobo].....email is in my Sig.

Thanks

Nov 18, 2005, 06:06 AM	#332
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Nov 19, 2005, 04:06 PM	#339
Scargo DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 100 Rep Power: 0	Which Gold? In all this discussion with Judas, I am not clear about which RAM you are speaking of... Is it [color=#cc0000][color=#37329b]OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Gold GX XTC Dual Channel? [color=black]Do you always want to run (or have to run) the dual-channel type for the A8n-E board?[/color][/color][/color]

Nov 28, 2005, 04:51 PM	#350
Lowfat Xtreme Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Grande Prairie, AB, Can Posts: 4,251 Rep Power: 99	Mailman came today, thought he was dropping off my Firefly DVDs, however when i opened it, it was my replacement DDR Booster I wish all companies had as quick and smooth RMA's as OCZ. __________________ 27" iMac: i5 750 * 80GB X25-M G1 * 4GB DDR3 * HD4850 Stacker: 2600k * P8P67 Pro * 4GB DDR3 * 80GB ioXtreme * 30GB X25-E * (2) HD6950 * Asus D2 * Enermax Revo85+ HWD: (2) Xeon E5649 * EVGA SR-2 * 6GB DDR3 * 8800GTS * 1000W Antec FT01BW: (2) Xeon E5645 * EVGA SR-2 * 6GB DDR3 * GTS210 * Gigabyte 800W Odin GT Storage: (2) Sans Digital TR8M-B * 29TB Last edited by Tulcakelume; Nov 29, 2005 at 04:18 AM.

Dec 2, 2005, 11:36 AM	#352
Lowfat Xtreme Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Grande Prairie, AB, Can Posts: 4,251 Rep Power: 99	Question here, on my last system (2500+ XP-M, DFI NF2 Infinity Ultra) my 2X512 of PC3200 Gold VX would run 240 @ 2-2-2-11 @ 3.3V all day. However now on my P4C800 deluxe it requires a whole lot more voltage. I need 3.4V just to run 2-2-2-5 @ 200FSB. Any Ideas? __________________ 27" iMac: i5 750 * 80GB X25-M G1 * 4GB DDR3 * HD4850 Stacker: 2600k * P8P67 Pro * 4GB DDR3 * 80GB ioXtreme * 30GB X25-E * (2) HD6950 * Asus D2 * Enermax Revo85+ HWD: (2) Xeon E5649 * EVGA SR-2 * 6GB DDR3 * 8800GTS * 1000W Antec FT01BW: (2) Xeon E5645 * EVGA SR-2 * 6GB DDR3 * GTS210 * Gigabyte 800W Odin GT Storage: (2) Sans Digital TR8M-B * 29TB

Dec 2, 2005, 07:37 PM	#353
CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,458 Rep Power: 202 System Specs	is your memory rated to run 2-2-2-5 @ 400Mhz? __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Nov 18, 2005, 06:06 AM	Thread Starter #333
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	www.memtest.org there is a bin file you can burn straight to CD with Nero or whatever. Your issue is voltage...these Golds like 2.8 to run right....jack it up to 2.8 or 2.85, whatever the board will give

Nov 18, 2005, 06:17 AM	Thread Starter #335
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	2-2-2-x should run just fine at 2.8 - 2.85V....sorry I didn't realize you were at any different or I would have posted that sooner....that might solve the 1T issue also. OC'ing these is going to take juice and some looser timings. If you can go 3.0V (make sure you get a fan on them) and run 2-3-2-5 timings (CAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) you could see 220-230ish...maybe even 240 if they are a good pair.

Nov 19, 2005, 04:10 PM	Thread Starter #340
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	I do not think he has the new heatspreader style Scargo, he just has the OCZ4001024ELDCGE-K which is the PC3200 Gold with the older heatspreader. They are both the same (BH die IC's), one with the new heatspreader one not.

Nov 19, 2005, 11:47 PM	Thread Starter #343
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	225 with 2.85V would be really stellar pair of sticks and I doubt it. These IC's (Winbond BH die) do not scale like other ram (TCCD, TCC5, Hynix) with low voltage...they need more juice to run faster. The benefit of this is you can maintain the tight timings all the way to their max speed. If you were able to provide 3.5-3.6V to them...250+ at 2-2-2-x timings would be possible. If you want to scale up a bit and keep the voltage low...I would recommend 2-3-2-x (CAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) timings which might get you more speed with less voltage

Nov 20, 2005, 03:16 PM	#345
Scargo DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 100 Rep Power: 0	So,... my new A8N32-SLI board (in transit) which puts out up to 3.2 volts, may still not be all this particular Gold RAM can handle? I guess it will be enough for my four Titanium sticks? I guess the "Gold" would be a step up in potential performance from what I have? I wished OCZ's website would make clear their RAMs performance levels. At least baseline performance. Theoretical range of performance would be outstanding.... Right now the descriptions are confusing (to me, at least): Is Gold more "expensive" (thus more desirable) than Platinum, or Titanium "stronger" (thus better) than Platinum or Gold? I think this is all very confusing hyperbole. All the descriptions are flattering, too. Which is "most super fast" or which is "most reliable"? Does "gamer extreme" with "XTC" mean it is less safe, less stable (like: "Hey, I drive a fast race car and sometimes I'm not so stable and in control"!)? Does it imply that with these sticks, you can stay up all night and play games and reach higher scores? Seriously...... *What I would like to see is a performance/specifications chart with links to each RAM's page.* I hate all the digging around I have to do to compare them. It would also be nice to demistify the types of chips/features on a stick and what they are best for, capable of, etc. Perhaps a glossary of relevant RAM terms and OCZ's acronyms (again, stuff all in one place). Ryder...Get to work on this right away! The best I can do, for now, is compare them at NewEgg, which is a fantastic site, BTW. It is great as, if for nothing more than, a fantastic resource to easily find and compare products, side by side. BTW, I am pretty loyal to NewEgg for their fantastic performance (and their great site and prices) in the past. And they appear to have a distribution center in New Jersey, near me. I usually get things in one or two days while only paying for three day shipping! Once I got stuff the next day! Oh-oh, .... I guess I've had enough coffee! Thanks to you, Ryder, and your cohort for all the help on the forum!

Nov 20, 2005, 09:39 PM	Thread Starter #347
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	Titanium - Server Class customers who want Advanced replacement if necessary Platinum - More geared toward overclocking with enhanced latency products also. Gold - Gamers line - Bling, tight timings with good overclockability. Performance - Enthusiast line, solid peformance at reasonable cost, less overclockable. Value - General users, good Price, solid performance.

Nov 29, 2005, 04:05 AM	Thread Starter #351
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	Great Thanks for the update Tulcakelume.

Dec 2, 2005, 07:56 PM	#354
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,626 Rep Power: 171 System Specs	EDIT: NM __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs Last edited by OmegaRED; Feb 10, 2006 at 06:41 PM.

Dec 3, 2005, 08:13 AM	Thread Starter #356
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	The UTT chips do not run as well on Intel as they do on AMD systems. Performance Mode at Auto? Refresh at 7.8us Burst Length 8 (try 4 also) Idle Limit at Infinite Raise the AGP voltage to 1.6-1.7V...this will raise the voltage to the northbridge where the memory controller is. Try CAS = 2.5 or Trcd = 3 (so... 2.5-2-2-x or 2-3-2-x timings) Try also running Tras at 7 or 8

Dec 3, 2005, 09:47 AM	#357
Lowfat Xtreme Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Grande Prairie, AB, Can Posts: 4,251 Rep Power: 99	Even with those settings I couldn't scale like it could on my NF2 system. It would run 250FSB @ 2.5-3-3-7 no problem, its just the 2-2-2-* that it doesn't seem to like. Maybe i'll just sell these off and buy some new ram. Does OCZ have any BH-5 sticks which are warrantied to decently high volts (i.e. 3.3V) __________________ 27" iMac: i5 750 * 80GB X25-M G1 * 4GB DDR3 * HD4850 Stacker: 2600k * P8P67 Pro * 4GB DDR3 * 80GB ioXtreme * 30GB X25-E * (2) HD6950 * Asus D2 * Enermax Revo85+ HWD: (2) Xeon E5649 * EVGA SR-2 * 6GB DDR3 * 8800GTS * 1000W Antec FT01BW: (2) Xeon E5645 * EVGA SR-2 * 6GB DDR3 * GTS210 * Gigabyte 800W Odin GT Storage: (2) Sans Digital TR8M-B * 29TB Last edited by Tulcakelume; Dec 3, 2005 at 10:09 AM.

Dec 3, 2005, 05:53 PM	Thread Starter #358
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	No we do not have any BH based ram warranted to that voltage. Even the BH UTT does not run as well on Intel as the "Classic" BH-5 used to. Everyone calls them BH-5....but that is just not the case...they are BH Die UTT (Untested TSOP)....they are not the same as BH-5 used to be....they are close..... based on the fact they scale with voltage at tight timings and won't boot at CAS=3 .... but they are not the same Last edited by RyderOCZ; Dec 4, 2005 at 03:18 PM.

Feb 10, 2006, 07:58 AM	#359
[hobo]eclipse ...just bummin 'round Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,897 Rep Power: 107 System Specs	Hey Ryder, im havin some trouble with my 3200 VX kit, one of the sticks wont pass a second of any memtesting at any volts or timings, tried it in my nforce 2 and in this new setup, trouble is in the very very first MB's , the other is runnin an est. 210 @ 2-3-3-7 dual channel @ 2.7 volts, with some old KHX CH my bro had.

Feb 10, 2006, 03:42 PM	Thread Starter #360
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	Send me an email with a link to this thread [hobo].....email is in my Sig. Thanks