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[hobo]eclipse · Feb 10, 2006, 06:33 PM

email away, thank you.

*RyderOCZ* · Feb 10, 2006, 09:30 PM

No email yet [hobo]? Please re-send...link in my sig is correct.

[hobo]eclipse · Feb 11, 2006, 07:42 PM

tried to resend it through gmail again, and also sent a copy via hotmail, lemme know if you get the gmail oneplease, or both for that matter

[hobo]eclipse · Feb 14, 2006, 01:11 AM

recieved your email, thank you

SFOSOK · Feb 14, 2006, 03:16 AM

Ok well I have a question, I have the Platinum series mem for my comp that are DDR 400. They used to not be able to overclock well but I switched em around and now they go up to ddr 490 at 2.5-3-3-5 (I dunno why they work now since I moved em around). But I can't go up to DDR 500 even at 3-4-4-8. I have read around and I think its because my PSU is kinda crappy.

So I would like to know if I would have a better chance OCin these sticks by getting the powerstream OCZ SLI PSU. Also since these have a lifetime guarantee I have RMAed them like 3 times with Newegg and gotten almost progressively worse pairs from them. So is there anyway I can send these in for like a trade up? Or send them in directly to you guys to get them RMAed (I don't trust newegg anymore).

What would be ur advice on the matter?

Edit: I'm looking for like a newer edition or DDR 500 edition of these memory.

SFOSOK · Feb 15, 2006, 12:09 AM

Also is it bad to be an OCZaolic? I'm putting these nice ramsyncs on my 7800 mem (really beautiful btw) and I will be getting a powerstream SLI PSU. Add that to my two 1gb sticks of plat and about 25% of my system is OCZ brand (which is a good thing right?)

*RyderOCZ* · Feb 15, 2006, 03:44 PM

Hello,

Does the ram work properly? I can't offer an RMA for properly working ram, especially if DDR400 rated sticks, run close to DDR500. We do not RMA non faulty products.

There is no "trade up" program either. You would have to sell your sticks and purchase something else.

SFOSOK · Feb 15, 2006, 10:07 PM

OK then well I'm happy with the sticks and the timings. What about the PSU? Could that dramatically affect my stability when overclocking?

SSXeon · Feb 27, 2006, 06:32 PM

RyderOCZ Hey s**t i didnt see this sticky before. Thanx for coming and helping @ driverheaven, and after my experience with my faulty DDR550 and the great RMA service you guys offer, im never gunna purchase any other brand.

The Plat you guys sent me almost made me soil my pants, i wasnt expecting that much of a hook up.

Lowfat · Feb 28, 2006, 06:31 PM

I am having troubles with my DDR Booster again unfortunately. The LCD display on it quit working.

SSXeon · Feb 28, 2006, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lowfat

I am having troubles with my DDR Booster again unfortunately. The LCD display on it quit working.

You know i never got my booster worken right.

Eh anymore i dont really need it tho.

Judas · Mar 2, 2006, 02:16 AM

Ryder. This isn't of major importance atm... but:

Recently purchased 2x of the following 2gb kits ( http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...b_dual_channel)

Now here's what i've go set in the bios atm:

CAS ~ 2
TRAS ~ 8T
TRCD ~ 3T
TRP ~ 3T
TRC ~ 11T
TRFC ~ 14T
TRWT ~ 4T
TWR ~ 3T
1T/2T ~ 2T

Voltage is set to 2.8V for the DDR only... everything else is stock..

All look fine and dandy or would you recommend me any changes?

CDsDontBurn · Mar 2, 2006, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lowfat

I am having troubles with my DDR Booster again unfortunately. The LCD display on it quit working.

lol....mine doesn't work either. i crank up the voltage, but nothing happens. the screen stays at whatever i have the voltage in BIOS set at. Now, my RAM booster is sitting in the back seat of my car

. At one point i had put on some duct (sp?) tape and a small northbridge fan to help cool the heatsink down a little bit. it worked, that is until the duct tape melted off enough for the fan to just fall off.

don't think i should have said that last part though

SFOSOK · Mar 2, 2006, 11:34 AM

Is ryder takin a nap? Cause I know I am ZZZzzzzZZZzzZzZz

*RyderOCZ* · Mar 2, 2006, 10:50 PM

@ Lowfat,

The display was working before and suddenly quit? Send me an email so we can get it replaced, this is already an RMA unit? Email is in my Sig.

Thanks

*RyderOCZ* · Mar 2, 2006, 10:51 PM

@ Judas,

That looks perfect to me, 2.8V shouldn't be necessary....try 2.5 or 2.6....although with 4 sticks you might need the bump.

Judas · Mar 3, 2006, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyderOCZ

@ Judas,

That looks perfect to me, 2.8V shouldn't be necessary....try 2.5 or 2.6....although with 4 sticks you might need the bump.

thanks..

you sure i should just leave it @ 2.8V just to be on the super stable side? or is utterly totally unnessary? (am i hurting anything?)

Should i just set it to auto?

*RyderOCZ* · Mar 5, 2006, 04:22 AM

I have not found these IC's to peform better or more stable with more juice....mine run the same with lower voltatge.....just play with it....there are differences in boards and regulators.....2.6 on my DFI board is like 2.67 so it overvolts a bit, yours might under-volt. I would try 2.6 and if its still nice and stable...just leave it there, lower is always better IMO

Judas · Mar 5, 2006, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyderOCZ

I have not found these IC's to peform better or more stable with more juice....mine run the same with lower voltatge.....just play with it....there are differences in boards and regulators.....2.6 on my DFI board is like 2.67 so it overvolts a bit, yours might under-volt. I would try 2.6 and if its still nice and stable...just leave it there, lower is always better IMO

OK... thanks... i'll set it to auto and run some nasty stress tests again and see

R4Z0R · Mar 7, 2006, 05:08 PM

A8R32-MVP Deluxe and DDR Booster
I wanted to buy this motherboard but the only problem (apart the really bad bios problems ofcourse) i see is the 3.2v memory voltage, i've got BH-5 memory so anything lower than 3.4 isn't going to get me very far, so here's the question: does the DDR Booster work with the A8R32-MVP Deluxe?

*RyderOCZ* · Mar 7, 2006, 05:18 PM

R4zor,

I answered in your thread: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/overclocking-modding/100747-a8r32-mvp-deluxe-ddr-booster.html

Post #6

Judas · Mar 7, 2006, 06:36 PM

Ryder,

I'm running into alot of issues just recently

This hasn't anything to do with the 2gb kits.. they works flawlessly..

It's the gold 1gb kit i've got and every single 512mb OCZ Value ram i've got (several of them)

I'm building a bunch of machines using OCZ ram (and PSU's)

Every Asus A8N-E has an issue. If i attempt to run OCZ Value 512mb sticks (2x) in dual channel mode or just more then one, the system constantly freezes up before loading windows... if i turn the power off complete, (flip the switch at the back) and then turn it back on and power up... it'll work (quite often if i just push and hold the power button itself wait for the machine to shutdown and then fire it up again after 30 seconds)

While the other Asus A8N-E i've got with the gold 1gb kit, refuses to fully boot 90% of the time.

If i let the machine sit for several minutes, then boot, it'll boot up normally, if i've got it running for any length of time after that first boot, and attempt to reboot, nearly every time, it doesn't get anywhere, just doesn't post or anything. This is with the ram settings set as loose as possible and 2.8v (or 2.9) right down to having the tightest timings you had suggested.

This happens in 6 out of 6 of the Asus A8N-E Rev 2.0 boards i've got... .every single one of them.

However, the 2Gb Gold kit works completely flawless in all these boards, along with a few other really really cheap generic ram i've laying around yet....

*RyderOCZ* · Mar 8, 2006, 07:10 PM

What gold kit are you running? OCZ4001024ELDCGE-K, The UTT-BH stuff? They are going to want 2.8V. Try CAS = 2.5, we have seen a lot of Asus boards with CAS 2 issues lately.
What bios are you running on the boards? try 1 rev older if you are on the newest.

Do you only have trouble in Dual Channel? This sounds more like a board issue than ram, if every stick works by itself.

Judas · Mar 8, 2006, 09:19 PM

The gold kit i beleive is this: http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...l_channel_gold

I've tried running at Cas 3 even with the loosest timeings i could find... And i mean the stuff works great at nearly every setting on the board, stuff works great in another motherboard as well..

But i highly doubt i've got 6 Asus A8N-E rev2.0's that all show the exact same symptoms. Don't know i find it just excessively strange, and i've tried right from the factory supplied bios up to the latest with no differences troubles wise, frankly i can't see the ram being a main cause of it.. but it is odd that pull it out and putting others in would solve the issue... i'm doing more testing right now

And all that happens is occasionally the system just doesn't want to fully boot up like something was overclocked.. i've sent Asus an email but as of yet.. no responce..

As for the Value ram, all sticks work fine in single channel mode.... what i've noticed so far is:

With dual channel mode, when the computer boots... it posts .. gets to loading windows and the HD light will remain solid and nothing will appear to happen (which initially brought to mind that the HD was perhaps faulty)....

Fully reseting it... boot up and windows would load with no issues at all. One time i tried to shutdown, it got to closing network connection within XP and once again sat there with a glowing HD led and nothing happening.. forcefully reseting it worked again... it appears almost random. But while in windows, i've ran every stress test i know of with absalutely zero crashes/freezes or strange errors..

I'm probably as lost and confused as you are atm.

As far as my tests go, only dual channel mode seems to be an issue but i'll try digging more info up asap.

Sorry for my lack of info though.

I've got an Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe that fired up just fine with the stuff.... so i'm sure it's not specifically a ram issue right now...

BWX · Mar 9, 2006, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

The gold kit i beleive is this: http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...l_channel_gold

I've tried running at Cas 3 even with the loosest timeings i could find... And i mean the stuff works great at nearly every setting on the board, stuff works great in another motherboard as well..

But i highly doubt i've got 6 Asus A8N-E rev2.0's that all show the exact same symptoms...

Oh crap- I just bought that board and have OCZ ram.. 1x 512 and 2x 256..

I am not sure what the best way is to put them in the slots.. [COLOR=Red]I have the 512 in B1 and the 2x 256 in A1 and A2... [/COLOR] Haven't tried tweaking much, but by default they were running at 159mhz for some reason. Bumped it up to 200 (400DDR) and working fine. It is running a 2T command though, not sure why, or if 1T will work. EDIT- BTW T1 worked fine in dual channel mode on the NF7...

I need to figure out how to configure this for best performance. Soon I'm going to have to get a 2x 1 gig stick setup though. (yeah I know, it's just what I ended up with)

These are the sticks I have:

[COLOR=Red]
DIMM1: OCZ OCZ400512ELPE 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.0-3-2-5 @ 200 MHz default)

DIMM2: OCZ OCZ400512DCPELE-K 256 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.0-3-3-6 @ 200 MHz default)

DIMM4: OCZ OCZ400512DCPELE-K 256 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.0-3-3-6 @ 200 MHz default)[/COLOR]

rest:
CPU Properties
CPU Type AMD Athlon 64 3700+
CPU Alias San Diego S939
CPU Stepping SH-E4
CPUID CPU Name AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+
CPUID Revision 00020F71h

CPU Speed
CPU Clock 2216.13 MHz
CPU Multiplier 11.0x
CPU FSB 201.47 MHz (original: 200 MHz)
Memory Bus 201.47 MHz

CPU Cache
L1 Code Cache 64 KB (Parity)
L1 Data Cache 64 KB (ECC)
L2 Cache 1 MB (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed)

Motherboard Properties
Motherboard ID 11/25/2005-NF-CK804-A8N-E-00
Motherboard Name Asus A8N-E (3 PCI, 2 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x4, 1 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN)

Chipset Properties
Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce4 Ultra, AMD Hammer
[COLOR=Red]Memory Timings 2-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
Command Rate (CR) 2T
[/COLOR]
SPD Memory Modules
DIMM1: OCZ OCZ400512ELPE 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.0-3-2-5 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM2: OCZ OCZ400512DCPELE-K 256 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.0-3-3-6 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM4: OCZ OCZ400512DCPELE-K 256 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.0-3-3-6 @ 200 MHz)

BIOS Properties
System BIOS Date 11/25/05
Video BIOS Date 09/30/05
Award BIOS Type Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Award BIOS Message ASUS A8N-E ACPI BIOS Revision 1010
DMI BIOS Version ASUS A8N-E ACPI BIOS Revision 1010

Haven't even tried to OC yet, I need to do some research on these bios settings.

EDIT again..

I think the 256 sticks are BH5 and the 512 stick is CH6, It has been a while since I thought about that though, I could be wrong, but I know the 256 sticks are BH something. maybe BH6?

I would like very much to go with OCZ when purchasing the 2x 1GB sticks, is that a good idea with this board though?

Edit again...

The 2x 256 are the ones in this review, but the 256mb version instead of the 512mb version. http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.c...id=1542&page=2 they are Winbond BH-6 chips..

BWX · Mar 9, 2006, 06:09 AM

(continued)...

on the sticker the 512 says the same as everest reported, but the 256mb sticks have a sticker that says 2-2-2-7... maybe that is because they are the "limited edition" or something.

Just to be clear- this is how they are installed, 512mb stick alone on the right.

Even though I will be getting new ram soon it would be cool to get these going as good as possible for the time being.

Judas · Mar 9, 2006, 04:14 PM

well when i got the gold XTX with the honey comb heatsinks... the 2gb kit, it works perfectly fine in my asus A8N-E rev 2's... utterly perfect....

just these other sticks are driving me nutz...

BWX · Mar 9, 2006, 04:35 PM

I need some help with some of those bios settings.. any good Nforce 4 ultra chipset OC'ing articles anywhere?

BWX · Mar 10, 2006, 06:39 PM

Whats the deal with this HTT? The box says it is supposed to be running at 1ghz.. in CPU-z it is showing 200mhz. In the mobo bios I have auto (set to that) 1x, 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x,.... What happens when you raise that? and do you need to set the multiplier down, or the ram speed down to compensate?

Judas · Mar 14, 2006, 08:51 PM

Rayder.... i got some good news for you

None of the issues i've been having (aside from the OCZ gold memory issue which seems to be speratic... but not a major concern atm)... have been related to nvidia's Nforce SATA controllers..

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/hardware-discussion-support/101392-how-long-does-take-nvraid.html

Only now have i really had major issues just recently with my own rig after trying some Sata2 drives on it....

It's really weird as some issues or problems really do appear occasionally like a Memory problem... but low and behold.... NOT the case!

just figured i'd let you know..

Feb 14, 2006, 03:16 AM	#365
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	Ok well I have a question, I have the Platinum series mem for my comp that are DDR 400. They used to not be able to overclock well but I switched em around and now they go up to ddr 490 at 2.5-3-3-5 (I dunno why they work now since I moved em around). But I can't go up to DDR 500 even at 3-4-4-8. I have read around and I think its because my PSU is kinda crappy. So I would like to know if I would have a better chance OCin these sticks by getting the powerstream OCZ SLI PSU. Also since these have a lifetime guarantee I have RMAed them like 3 times with Newegg and gotten almost progressively worse pairs from them. So is there anyway I can send these in for like a trade up? Or send them in directly to you guys to get them RMAed (I don't trust newegg anymore). What would be ur advice on the matter? Edit: I'm looking for like a newer edition or DDR 500 edition of these memory. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Feb 15, 2006, 12:09 AM	#366
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	Also is it bad to be an OCZaolic? I'm putting these nice ramsyncs on my 7800 mem (really beautiful btw) and I will be getting a powerstream SLI PSU. Add that to my two 1gb sticks of plat and about 25% of my system is OCZ brand (which is a good thing right?) __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Feb 15, 2006, 10:07 PM	#368
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	OK then well I'm happy with the sticks and the timings. What about the PSU? Could that dramatically affect my stability when overclocking? __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Feb 27, 2006, 06:32 PM	#369
SSXeon ATi Freak!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Virginia, US Posts: 501 Rep Power: 0	RyderOCZ Hey st i didnt see this sticky before. Thanx for coming and helping @ driverheaven, and after my experience with my faulty DDR550 and the great RMA service you guys offer, im never gunna purchase any other brand. The Plat you guys sent me almost made me soil my pants, i wasnt expecting that much of a hook up. __________________ XFX HD4890 1024MB @ 950/4400Mhz Have issues with your Catalyst driver? Please report it to ATi**

Feb 28, 2006, 06:31 PM	#370
Lowfat Xtreme Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Grande Prairie, AB, Can Posts: 4,251 Rep Power: 99	I am having troubles with my DDR Booster again unfortunately. The LCD display on it quit working. __________________ 27" iMac: i5 750 * 80GB X25-M G1 * 4GB DDR3 * HD4850 Stacker: 2600k * P8P67 Pro * 4GB DDR3 * 80GB ioXtreme * 30GB X25-E * (2) HD6950 * Asus D2 * Enermax Revo85+ HWD: (2) Xeon E5649 * EVGA SR-2 * 6GB DDR3 * 8800GTS * 1000W Antec FT01BW: (2) Xeon E5645 * EVGA SR-2 * 6GB DDR3 * GTS210 * Gigabyte 800W Odin GT Storage: (2) Sans Digital TR8M-B * 29TB

Feb 10, 2006, 06:33 PM	#361
[hobo]eclipse ...just bummin 'round Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,897 Rep Power: 107 System Specs	email away, thank you.

Feb 10, 2006, 09:30 PM	Thread Starter #362
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	No email yet [hobo]? Please re-send...link in my sig is correct.

Feb 11, 2006, 07:42 PM	#363
[hobo]eclipse ...just bummin 'round Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,897 Rep Power: 107 System Specs	tried to resend it through gmail again, and also sent a copy via hotmail, lemme know if you get the gmail oneplease, or both for that matter

Feb 14, 2006, 01:11 AM	#364
[hobo]eclipse ...just bummin 'round Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,897 Rep Power: 107 System Specs	recieved your email, thank you

Feb 15, 2006, 03:44 PM	Thread Starter #367
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	Hello, Does the ram work properly? I can't offer an RMA for properly working ram, especially if DDR400 rated sticks, run close to DDR500. We do not RMA non faulty products. There is no "trade up" program either. You would have to sell your sticks and purchase something else.

Mar 2, 2006, 11:34 AM	#374
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	Is ryder takin a nap? Cause I know I am ZZZzzzzZZZzzZzZz __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Mar 2, 2006, 10:50 PM	Thread Starter #375
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	@ Lowfat, The display was working before and suddenly quit? Send me an email so we can get it replaced, this is already an RMA unit? Email is in my Sig. Thanks

Mar 2, 2006, 10:51 PM	Thread Starter #376
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	@ Judas, That looks perfect to me, 2.8V shouldn't be necessary....try 2.5 or 2.6....although with 4 sticks you might need the bump.

Mar 5, 2006, 04:22 AM	Thread Starter #378
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	I have not found these IC's to peform better or more stable with more juice....mine run the same with lower voltatge.....just play with it....there are differences in boards and regulators.....2.6 on my DFI board is like 2.67 so it overvolts a bit, yours might under-volt. I would try 2.6 and if its still nice and stable...just leave it there, lower is always better IMO

Mar 7, 2006, 05:08 PM	#380
R4Z0R DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	A8R32-MVP Deluxe and DDR Booster I wanted to buy this motherboard but the only problem (apart the really bad bios problems ofcourse) i see is the 3.2v memory voltage, i've got BH-5 memory so anything lower than 3.4 isn't going to get me very far, so here's the question: does the DDR Booster work with the A8R32-MVP Deluxe? __________________ [color=blue]AMD A64 X2 4400+(Tolledo)@280x10[/color] [color=blue]2 GB (4x512MB) G.Skill GBGH 2-2-2-5 [/color] [color=blue]PowerColor [color=blue]X1900XTx@690/820(1640Mhz DDR)[/color][/color] [color=blue]3x250GB 7200RPM SATA HDs [/color] [color=blue]Plextor PX-716A & LiteOn [/color][color=blue]16x DVD Drive[/color] [color=blue]Hercules Game Theater XP 7.1 sound card[/color]

Mar 7, 2006, 05:18 PM	Thread Starter #381
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	R4zor, I answered in your thread: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/overclocking-modding/100747-a8r32-mvp-deluxe-ddr-booster.html Post #6

Mar 8, 2006, 07:10 PM	Thread Starter #383
RyderOCZ OCZ Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 0	What gold kit are you running? OCZ4001024ELDCGE-K, The UTT-BH stuff? They are going to want 2.8V. Try CAS = 2.5, we have seen a lot of Asus boards with CAS 2 issues lately. What bios are you running on the boards? try 1 rev older if you are on the newest. Do you only have trouble in Dual Channel? This sounds more like a board issue than ram, if every stick works by itself.

Mar 9, 2006, 06:09 AM	#386
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	(continued)... on the sticker the 512 says the same as everest reported, but the 256mb sticks have a sticker that says 2-2-2-7... maybe that is because they are the "limited edition" or something. Just to be clear- this is how they are installed, 512mb stick alone on the right. Even though I will be getting new ram soon it would be cool to get these going as good as possible for the time being. __________________

Mar 9, 2006, 04:35 PM	#388
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	I need some help with some of those bios settings.. any good Nforce 4 ultra chipset OC'ing articles anywhere? __________________

Mar 10, 2006, 06:39 PM	#389
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Whats the deal with this HTT? The box says it is supposed to be running at 1ghz.. in CPU-z it is showing 200mhz. In the mobo bios I have auto (set to that) 1x, 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x,.... What happens when you raise that? and do you need to set the multiplier down, or the ram speed down to compensate? __________________