mike2h

its called- THE JUDAS FACTOR. random, weird shit happens that has no explanation whatsoever. it is almost a paranormal state. or otherworldly depending on how u look at it

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Judas

this is pretty significant and SERIOUS, specially if indeed the thermal paste does has a deteroraiting point, this is no different then other products that have various points on the temperature scales that the chemical compounds or whatnot break down and become completely useless.

This definitely warrants investigation as it could have major ramifications.

This has nothing to do with paranormal or some kind of unique phenomina.

Reguardless of how sarcastic your post was, i'm serious. This is troublesome. And it cannot be isolated.

IF indeed the paste reach lets say a temperature of -25*C at which point becomes a useless tube meaning my saliva would be a better thermal paste, this is indeed a problem.

My Ultra 5+ is running low and unfortuneatly i may not be able to use the OCZ product i was finding was performing on par if not superior to that of the alternatives. If i cannot get confirmation on what is happening, it's very likely i'll have to use the alternative.

If someone were to be able to get a tube of it, freeze it to -40 or -50*C just to make sure, and then keep it at that temperature to make sure it's got a penetrating result... and then test it ... i would be more then happy.... But obviously that might be a little difficult.

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mike2h

lmao. judas, so far that i know of, u are the only person with problem. if the paste does actually break down at -25c(or lower), the nit is a problem that is ONLY a problem when shipping at those temps & actually being exposed to those temps for a long enough duration.. as long as the paste hasnt been exposed to those extreme conditions then the paste has np.
i personally think ryder has done enough to cover this issue. it isnt a big deal. i mean really, this doent apply to 99.99% of the peeps out there. im not sure a reformulation would be indicated even if it is repoducable.
take ryder up on the free tube then go stick it in a snow drift for a day or 2 & see what happens.

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Judas

99.9% is an absurd number....

even the northern states experience sub 25*C temperatures...... it's not like i'm the only possible person to see this... and i'm not even that bloody far north.

what i would be really interested in is IF the thermal paste would break down in a computer that were stored in such a temperature... and then fired up.... if the thermal paste breaks down even after it's applies (maybe?) which would result in absurd temperatures that i'm constantly reproducing.

There is also another factor.... ignorance, or lack of checking for that matter... it's not like the temperatures right now are getting into the danger zones "for some people".... i've seen alot of prebuilts running 60-70*C which the manufacturers claim as normal. I on the other hand don't accept that, reapply with ultra 5+ and volla... a full 20-30 or more *C drop...

no i've got a concern... and if there is say even 10,000 people out there with a computer that has this paste... that potentially could be a time bomb depending on what's going on..... that's a problem. I personally don't have to worry about it as i refuse to a sell a product that produces these anomolies. The fact that i caught it and then reconfirmed it is a testimate to that.

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mike2h

the thing is judas as far the site goes & ryder from ocz ( i think they would have heard of this problem if other peeps were having same problem) u r the only one with the issue. not saying it didnt happen, its jus that when u r the only known person reporting the problem 99.9% isnt unreaonable.
judas, until someone else, even just one person, reports the same problem, i think its dead issue. i think it was a good thing to bring it to their(ocz) attention but until another person can replicate your particular problem id let it go. ryder gave u a really nice option, id take him up on it & perform one of your mad hatter experiments. or just order something else.
anyway im outa here.

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Judas

here's a shot of what this stuff does... this is my 4th tube... and it just refuses to spread at all.. the moment i touch it.. it starts rolling around into balls... this is me slow putting preasure on it to spread it only a few passes trying to spread it out evenly

It goes from a really nice bright grey and then clumps up into a dark grey waud of crap


I'm apparently not alone on this as even this guy doing a review of this stuff had issues.. course doesn't sound like he had THAT big of a problem

obviously OCZ says no spreading necessary... but i've never just applied a bit on the center and went with my gut.... and hoped the preasure would do a good enough job

obviously i'm extremely nervous doing it this way.... as i've pulled off many cpu heatsinks where the thermal paste was applied the same way, and air pockets and whatnot have formed due to any number of reasons.

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RE III - Frankie

Hello. I was just wondering if my OCZ 750W Silencer is compatible with my Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4850X2 1GB GPU? The box on the PSU says SLI Ready, but doesn't state CrossFireX support. Does it matter? Or do I need a new PSU?

Mac Daddy

This PSU uses a single 60 amp 12V rail I would imagine it would be fine. As for Crossfire and SLI it doesn't matter just the available power to the cards. (Just means there are 2 sets of PCI-E power connectors available)

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RE III - Frankie

Got it. That rules that out then.

CDsDontBurn

another thing to take a note of is if your PSU has a 6+2 pin PCI-E connector or not for SLI/x-fire capabilities as many of the newer higher end video cards do require these kinds of connections on top of the single (and original) 6pin PCI-E connector.

if it does, then make sure your cards are properly connected with the appropriate 6pin and/or 8pin power lines.

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RE III - Frankie

Yes. It has 2 6 pin and 2 6+2 pin connectors.

Judas

should be good to go then

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RE III - Frankie

Cool.

S3MILOBON

hey everyone , i have a question , i have a OCZ AGILITY 3 , running on my SATA 3 port , and im only getting like 180 read and 150 write , but should be getting 500 ish for both
iv made sure all drivers are ok and up to date , any ideas ??

Tyrsonswood

Have you tried ATTO benchmark? That's the only tool that will show numbers close to what the manufactures claim.




Oh and this is an old thread, hasn't been active for some time.... Welcome to the forum.

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S3MILOBON

cheers mate and yeah some of the threads are seeming old , but its nice to add

MIG-31

Hi and welcome to HH....

Just out of curiosity have you updated the firmware to 2.09...

Im asking as i were told to do so with my 120gb Agility 3 ssd...

Link is Here

If you have not read the link carefully.As you will need to be running windows on a seperate drive.

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S3MILOBON

i have mate yes made the mistake of installing windows to find i could not update the SSD because i was using it lol

and thenx for the welcome

also after trying tha ATTO , my ssd is performing better tha HDD tune pro said it was
after filling it up with e games im getting

RyderOCZ

Wow, email updates still work

What hardware are we working with here? It looks like you have SATAII or a Marvell or Jmicron SATAIII controller.

S3MILOBON

im using the marvel SATA III mate

i7 930 @4.00GHZ
gigabyte UD3R rev 2
GTX 580 watercooled
6 gig corsair xms@1,600MHZ

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S3MILOBON have u set your bios to AHCI mode before installation?
i think u should also change the virtual memory settings, uncheck automatically menage size and select Custom size, set initial and max size both to 2048
and click ok and restart...

have u also try another marvell drivers like 1.2.0.1002?

maybe i'm wrong but is worth to try.... u can always set back to default
hope it helps... cheers!

Tipstaff

The Gigabyte UD3R uses a Marvell SE9128 SATAIII controller chip (just like the Asus board in my specs), and therein is the problem. The chip, while it does support SATAIII, isn't that great of a chip, especially with SATAIII SSDs. For one, Marvell no longer makes drivers for it. Secondly, it's not a native controller. The SE9128 runs on the PCIe channel, but the problem is it only uses a single PCIe lane, and not 2 like the SE9182. That means speeds are capped at 2.5Gb/s. Because of this you will never get full speed out of any SATAIII 6Gb/s drive.

On the same token, the Marvell drivers do not support TRIM. If you are running Windows 7 SP1 I would advise you to uninstall them, and switch over to Microsofts drivers. The new Microsoft driver in SP1 supports TRIM, plus you might even see a little speed boost too (mileage varies).

Until you upgrade your motherboard to one that has a native SATAIII controller, or at least a much better SATAIII controller, I would instead run the SSD on the Intel SATAII controller. This way you will have less headaches with the drive, plus you can use Intels latest Rapid Storage Driver which has proper TRIM support.

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S3MILOBON

cheers mmate , thas realy helpfull

Tipstaff

BTW, the specs on the Marvel chip, or rather how it's implemented, might vary between manufacturers. Some may have tricks to get more performance out of it, but to my knowledge the main reason for the bad performance is due to it only using 1 PCIe channel (I know this is the case, for sure, on my friends X58, and should be the case with other implementations). I'm sure someone will correct me on this.

BTW, don't forget that you MUST use SATAIII cable for that drive (you should have gotten 2 when you got that board). Don't use SATAII cable.

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S3MILOBON

after a little looking for this arvel thingy lol i found its not installed lol , also i diddnt thing SATAIII cables ade a diff , jus that the SATAIII leads was tested at the speeds ??
plus jus checked me box and they send SATAII+III cables in one

does this mean tha if i not using the marvel drivers that im actualy using the intel ones ?

MIG-31

The Yellow ! means there are no drivers installed.

I have the very same message when i try to install the SATA 3 pci-e hub.Neither windows or windows update can find a driver for it.

My current searchs via bing only comes up with apps that searches for all dier related problems... I never use those as i don't trust them... For Example.

So if any one finds a direct link to the driver please post it here..

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Tipstaff

Try uninstalling the "Marvell" listing, then do a scan for hardware changes, and when it asks for a driver just install Microsofts standard AHCI driver. Just don't install Marvells driver again. If it glitches, and won't let you install another driver, try going to Asus's website for the board in my specs as that driver is version 1.0.0.1042, newer than Gigabytes. Install that, reboot, then install or manually update them to Microsofts. You could also try "updating" the driver to the standard Microsoft driver too right off the bat to see if it works.

Oh, almost forgot. Make sure the Marvell controller in the bios is set to AHCI. Don't use IDE or RAID for it.

As I mentioned Marvell no longer makes drivers for that chip (as far as I can tell), plus as I said, TRIM doesn't work on the current driver, but it does on Microsofts driver as of Win7 SP1.

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S3MILOBON

cheers guys ya been loads of help

master_rasha

hi my name is marvin i am new to HH and i am learning alot but nothing that is of use to me at the moment i keep getting random blue screens and i ma using spybot s&d, and microsoft security essentials for anti virus my system performs sluggishly and i always have problems out of it can anyone help me ?

SiSoftware Sandra

Computer
Model : PCCHIPS A13G
Workgroup : WORKGROUP
Host Name : RashaNightmare
User : Dennie&Rasha

Processor
Model : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
Speed : 2GHz
Cores per Processor : 2 Unit(s)
Type : Dual-Core
Integrated Data Cache : 2x 64kB, Synchronous, Write-Back, 2-way, Exclusive, 64 byte line size
L2 Cache : 2x 512kB, ECC, Synchronous, Write-Back, 16-way, Exclusive, 64 byte line size

Computer
Mainboard : PCCHIPS A13G
BIOS : Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00 PG 05/10/2007
Bus(es) : ISA X-Bus PCI PCIe IMB USB i2c/SMBus
Multi-Processor (MP) Support : No
Multi-Processor Advanced PIC (APIC) : Yes
Total Memory : 3GB DIMM DDR2

Chipset
Model : AMD Athlon 64/Opteron HT Hub
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 1GHz (2GHz)
Total Memory : 3GB DIMM DDR2
Channels : 1
Memory Bus Speed : 2x 402MHz (804MHz)

Memory Module(s)
Memory Module : Mushkin 991759 996759 1GB DIMM DDR2 PC2-6400U DDR2-800 (5-6-6-18 3-24-6-3)
Memory Module : RamEx 2GB DIMM DDR2 PC2-6400U DDR2-800 (5-6-6-18 3-24-6-3)

Video System
Video Adapter : ATI Radeon HD 3400 Series (40 SM4.1 600MHz, 512MB DDR2 800MHz 64-bit, PCIe 2.00 x16)

Graphics Processor
STREAM Processor : ATI Radeon HD 3400 Series (40SP 2C 600MHz, 512MB DDR2 800MHz 64-bit)

Storage Devices
WDC WD1600JB-00GVA0 (160GB, ATA100, 3.5", 7200rpm, 8MB Cache) : 149GB (D
Seagate ST3250820AS (250GB, SATA300, 3.5", 8MB Cache) : 233GB (F (G
Seagate ST98823AS (80GB, SATA150, 2.5", 8MB Cache) : 75GB (C
Y-E DATACF Card Reader (USB) : N/A (H
Y-E DATASM Card Reader (USB) : N/A (I
Y-E DATAMS Card Reader (USB) : N/A (J
Y-E DATASD Card Reader (USB) : N/A (K
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112D (ATA66, DVD+-RW, CD-RW, 64kB Cache) : N/A (E

Logical Storage Devices
Hard Disk (D : 149GB (NTFS) @ WDC WD1600JB-00GVA0 (160GB, ATA100, 3.5", 7200rpm, 8MB Cache)
System Reserved (F : 100MB (NTFS) @ Seagate ST3250820AS (250GB, SATA300, 3.5", 8MB Cache)
Hard Disk (C : 75GB (NTFS) @ Seagate ST98823AS (80GB, SATA150, 2.5", 8MB Cache)
Removable Drive (K : N/A @ Y-E DATASD Card Reader (USB)
Hard Disk (G : 233GB (NTFS) @ Seagate ST3250820AS (250GB, SATA300, 3.5", 8MB Cache)
Removable Drive (H : N/A @ Y-E DATACF Card Reader (USB)
Removable Drive (I : N/A @ Y-E DATASM Card Reader (USB)
Removable Drive (J : N/A @ Y-E DATAMS Card Reader (USB)
Optical Drive (E : N/A @ PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112D (ATA66, DVD+-RW, CD-RW, 64kB Cache)

Peripherals
LPC Hub Controller 1 : ECS MCP61 LPC Bridge
LPC Legacy Controller 1 : ITE IT8726F
Audio Device : ECS MCP61 High Definition Audio
Audio Codec : Realtek Semi Realtek 660 High Definition Audio
Audio Device : Creative Labs CT4850 SBLive! Value
Serial Port(s) : 1
Parallel Port(s) : 1
Disk Controller : ECS MCP61 IDE
Disk Controller : ECS MCP61 SATA Controller
USB Controller 1 : ECS MCP61 USB Controller
USB Controller 2 : ECS MCP61 USB Controller
SMBus/i2c Controller 1 : nVidia MCP5+ SMBus 1
SMBus/i2c Controller 2 : nVidia MCP5+ SMBus 2

Printers and Faxes
Printer : Microsoft XPS Document Writer (600x600, Colour)
Printer : HP PSC 950 (1200x1200, Colour)
Fax : Microsoft Shared Fax Driver (200x200)

Peripherals

Network Services
Network Adapter : NVIDIA nForce 10/100 Mbps Ethernet (Ethernet, 100Mbps)

Power Management
Mains (AC) Line Status : On-Line

Operating System
Windows System : Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 6.01.7600 (Service Pack 3)
Platform Compliance : x86

Windows Experience Index
Current System : 3.6

Performance Enhancing Tips
Warning 100 : Large memory sizes should be made of Registered/Buffered memory.
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.


jere is the specs on my system as per sisandra if u need anymore ingo please let me know