OCing a p4 northwood???

g35x · Nov 8, 2005, 01:06 PM

ok heres my situation-my mom thinks her computer is broke cause internet explorer dosent work so shes getting a new one

(i told her to just use firefox but she dont listen

) so i can either stick with my compaq presario with an AMD sempron 2800+ (thouroghbred core) ati x800xl and 1gb of ram.....or i could put my x800xl and 1gb ram in my moms comp (sony vaio, intel pentium 4,northwood core) and overclock (which i dont know how to do

.......)to make it better then the sempron until i get my athlon X2 3800+ in december lol gime some advice plz

H3X4D3C1M4L · Nov 8, 2005, 09:38 PM

ROFL Overclock the Sony Vaio....good luck with that.....

You ain't overclocking either of those machines unless you got an engineering sample of that machine which I doubt...so just reformat your mom's machine, keep your mouth shut about that kind of stuff in future (A free PC is a free PC), keeps what you have working, and use the other one for something else.

Necrosis · Nov 9, 2005, 02:04 AM

What speed is the Northwood. BTW, I know some of those use Asus motherboards. So you never know.

g35x · Nov 9, 2005, 02:55 AM

i forget the speed,moms on it now curseing it out and hitting it,ill check tommorow,and yes H3X4D3C1M4L,a free pc is a free pc but theres the little complication of her saying i can only have one in my room so i need to choose which would be better for my gameing until i get parts and build my athlon X2 3800+ rig

Raptor · Nov 9, 2005, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

ROFL Overclock the Sony Vaio....good luck with that.....

You ain't overclocking either of those machines unless you got an engineering sample of that machine which I doubt...so just reformat your mom's machine, keep your mouth shut about that kind of stuff in future (A free PC is a free PC), keeps what you have working, and use the other one for something else.

Ok, how DO you o/c a p4 northwood. I got a 3 giger that I'd just love to get some more speed out of. Safely that is.

Edit: just read poor soloz2's post down the page a bit. Maybe i better just leave well enough alone

thegave · Nov 9, 2005, 05:50 AM

wasn't the 1.6a northwood the champion of overclocking until the 2.4/2.6c?
vaio, if its a factory built computer then they will have disabled overclocking options in the bios and you will have to find out what motherboard it is and hopefully a modified bios for it to unlock frequency settings.
or maybe sony doesn't check up on that stuff i don't know.

CDsDontBurn · Nov 9, 2005, 06:05 AM

so far you haven't mentioned the speed of the chip. so what speed is it?

@ thegave: a 1.6Ghz p4 would more than likley be a willamette core. northwoods didn't come around until the 2Ghz era and higher

H3X4D3C1M4L · Nov 9, 2005, 04:25 PM

The limiting factor on the Northwoods was how high the FSB on the mobo would go. The best way to get most speed was go for a low multiple chip and crank the FSB and voltage

CDsDontBurn · Nov 9, 2005, 06:13 PM

that's true basically for any chip. no matter what era it came from

H3X4D3C1M4L · Nov 9, 2005, 08:09 PM

Not so.

The Williamettes were more limited by the .18 micron process and excess heat and voltage they had, so you'd run into a wall there before the FSB walled you.

Anything after the Northwoods was more or less thermals because they ended up getting so fast and hot it was ridiculous, like the press-hots.

P III's were limited by the fact that, at that time, Intel was having a helluva time getting the P3's to run at 1 GHz so they basically had very little headroom out of factory.

Athlon's are a different story.... A XP's are easy to unlock so the chip is more the limit if you're determined. A64's later in their life started becoming really good overclockers and they continue to be, and the limit there is basically how far you're willing to push that new investment,

Northwoods were damn fine OC'ers and the boards often ran out of headroom before the chip itself.

But, overclocking is such a random thing sometimes that none of that even really matteers so much as how far you're willing to push your machine

g35x · Nov 9, 2005, 10:35 PM

yeah im trying to get on it and see the speed she stayed home from work today so maybe tommorow i can find out lol but she complaining kuz she Xes things out and they freeze on screen and im thiniking thats kuz of the 32mb onboard video lol but yeah ill get on it tommorow and run cpuz or sissoft sandra tommorow and post

**dj_stick** · Nov 9, 2005, 11:26 PM

the cpu type and speed should be shown at the top of the window while POSTing

g35x · Nov 10, 2005, 12:10 AM

[color=red]CPU-Z Report[/color]

[color=red][/color][color=red]CPU-Z version 1.30.

[/color][color=red]CPU(s)[/color][color=red] [/color][color=red]Number of CPUs[/color][color=red]1[/color][color=red]Name[/color][color=red]Intel Pentium 4[/color][color=red]Code Name[/color][color=red]Northwood[/color][color=red]Specification[/color][color=red]Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz[/color][color=red]Family / Model / Stepping[/color][color=red]F 2 7[/color][color=red]Extended Family / Model[/color][color=red]0 0[/color][color=red]Brand ID[/color][color=red]9[/color][color=red]Core Stepping[/color][color=red]C1[/color][color=red]Technology[/color][color=red]0.13 µ[/color][color=red]Supported Instructions Sets[/color][color=red]MMX, SSE, SSE2[/color][color=red]CPU Clock Speed[/color][color=red]2390.3 MHz[/color][color=red]L1 Data Cache[/color][color=red]8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size[/color][color=red]L1 Trace Cache[/color][color=red]12 Kµops, 8-way set associative[/color][color=red]L2 Cache[/color][color=red]512 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size[/color][color=red]L2 Speed[/color][color=red]2390.3 MHz (Full)[/color][color=red]L2 Location[/color][color=red]On Chip[/color][color=red]L2 Data Prefetch Logic[/color][color=red]yes[/color][color=red]L2 Bus Width[/color][color=red]256 bits[/color]will post more about mobo in a bit

g35x · Nov 10, 2005, 12:13 AM

<<< Mainboard Information >>>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

< System >
Manufacturer: Sony Corporation
Model: PCV-RX860(UC)
Version: 28471130
Serial Number: 3046129
ID: AB6605C0-11D71C2E-E000FD8C-6F27E618

< System Chassis >
Manufacturer: Chassis Manufacture
Type: Tower
Can be locked: No
Version: US
Serial Number: R3261435
Asset Tag: P02600000000D9CC6C4B7A4A5E05
Boot-up State: Safe
Power State: Safe
Thermal State: Safe

< Mainboard >
Manufacturer: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
MP Support: No
Model: P4S533VX
Version: REV 1.xx
Serial Number: xxxxxxxxxxx
System BIOS: 08/20/2002-SiS651-P4S533VX

< System Memory Controller >
Location: Mainboard
Error Correction Capability: None
Number of Memory Slots: 3
Maximum Installable Memory: 1GB
Bank 1 - DIMM 1: DIMM Synchronous DRAM 512MB/64
Bank 2 - DIMM 2: Empty
Bank 3 - DIMM 3: Empty

< Chipset 1 >
Model: ASUSTeK Computer Inc SiS651 CPU to PCI Bridge
Bus(es): AGP PCI IMB USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus
Front Side Bus Speed: 4x 133MHz (532MHz data rate)
Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory:4x 133MHz / 2x 166MHz
Width: 64-bit
IO Queue Depth: 8 request(s)
Priority Master Queue Depth: 7 request(s)

riles9262 · Nov 10, 2005, 03:13 AM

This is a pretty cut and dry guide on chips like yours, which appears to be a 2.4B. If the viao will let you, you will have to play around with the front side bus and cpu voltage mainly, but ram voltage will likely have to be tweaked depending on the ram that you have. I do doubt that sony will give you that much control in your bios but lets hope so

g35x · Nov 10, 2005, 02:17 PM

heh well i have no clue how to do any of that lol i just thought it might be better then the sempron but its not even really worth all the touble kuz christmas is only like a month away so maybe ill save myself the trouble and just wait till i get my new stuff kuz i just OCed my x800xl and got everything running better so i think i can deal till i get my athlon X2 lol i was just curious about overclocking

H3X4D3C1M4L · Nov 10, 2005, 04:32 PM

I can almost guarantee you now that unless you got VERY lucky, the Sony BIOS will not let you piss around with that stuff.

If you did, however, get a standard mobo with a different BIOS, you could look up the mobo on the website (if it has any physical means of telling what it is) then flash it with a manufacturers bios.

kenwoods212 · Dec 15, 2008, 05:58 AM

I have roughly the same system. Its a RX850...but the essentials are the same.

I installed a new CPU and its running at half speed now. 1.2 GHz instead of 2.4. I know this is because the clock speed is set wrong, but the BIOS doesn't let you change anything associated with the CPU speed or clock speed or multiplier.

How do I fix this issue?

CDsDontBurn · Dec 15, 2008, 06:05 AM

first of all, welcome to DH!

secondly, perhaps a new thread should have been created as this is a rather old thread now (started back in 2005).

lastly, what are all your system specs? if your CPU is reporting itself at half speed, it could be a BIOS related issue, or perhaps the settings you are looking for need to be made available first by some other setting? some boards' BIOSes do that, like mine for example will not let you adjust FSB w/o first enabling the setting for it.

trapezoid · Dec 15, 2008, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

I can almost guarantee you now that unless you got VERY lucky, the Sony BIOS will not let you piss around with that stuff.

If you did, however, get a standard mobo with a different BIOS, you could look up the mobo on the website (if it has any physical means of telling what it is) then flash it with a manufacturers bios.

Bingo - it won't.

Do get a new mobo though, it'll be worth it.

Nov 8, 2005, 01:06 PM	#1
g35x Hellhound Pilot Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Deptford, New Jersey Posts: 1,100 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	OCing a p4 northwood??? ok heres my situation-my mom thinks her computer is broke cause internet explorer dosent work so shes getting a new one (i told her to just use firefox but she dont listen) so i can either stick with my compaq presario with an AMD sempron 2800+ (thouroghbred core) ati x800xl and 1gb of ram.....or i could put my x800xl and 1gb ram in my moms comp (sony vaio, intel pentium 4,northwood core) and overclock (which i dont know how to do.......)to make it better then the sempron until i get my athlon X2 3800+ in december lol gime some advice plz __________________

Nov 9, 2005, 02:55 AM	Thread Starter #4
g35x Hellhound Pilot Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Deptford, New Jersey Posts: 1,100 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	i forget the speed,moms on it now curseing it out and hitting it,ill check tommorow,and yes H3X4D3C1M4L,a free pc is a free pc but theres the little complication of her saying i can only have one in my room so i need to choose which would be better for my gameing until i get parts and build my athlon X2 3800+ rig __________________

Nov 9, 2005, 06:05 AM	#7
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,790 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	so far you haven't mentioned the speed of the chip. so what speed is it? @ thegave: a 1.6Ghz p4 would more than likley be a willamette core. northwoods didn't come around until the 2Ghz era and higher __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Nov 9, 2005, 06:13 PM	#9
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,790 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	that's true basically for any chip. no matter what era it came from __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Nov 9, 2005, 10:35 PM	Thread Starter #11
g35x Hellhound Pilot Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Deptford, New Jersey Posts: 1,100 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	yeah im trying to get on it and see the speed she stayed home from work today so maybe tommorow i can find out lol but she complaining kuz she Xes things out and they freeze on screen and im thiniking thats kuz of the 32mb onboard video lol but yeah ill get on it tommorow and run cpuz or sissoft sandra tommorow and post __________________

Nov 8, 2005, 09:38 PM	#2
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	ROFL Overclock the Sony Vaio....good luck with that..... You ain't overclocking either of those machines unless you got an engineering sample of that machine which I doubt...so just reformat your mom's machine, keep your mouth shut about that kind of stuff in future (A free PC is a free PC), keeps what you have working, and use the other one for something else.

Nov 9, 2005, 02:04 AM	#3
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	What speed is the Northwood. BTW, I know some of those use Asus motherboards. So you never know.

Nov 9, 2005, 05:50 AM	#6
thegave -=[DHzer0point Team]=- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 96 Rep Power: 0	wasn't the 1.6a northwood the champion of overclocking until the 2.4/2.6c? vaio, if its a factory built computer then they will have disabled overclocking options in the bios and you will have to find out what motherboard it is and hopefully a modified bios for it to unlock frequency settings. or maybe sony doesn't check up on that stuff i don't know.

Nov 9, 2005, 04:25 PM	#8
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	The limiting factor on the Northwoods was how high the FSB on the mobo would go. The best way to get most speed was go for a low multiple chip and crank the FSB and voltage

Nov 9, 2005, 08:09 PM	#10
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Not so. The Williamettes were more limited by the .18 micron process and excess heat and voltage they had, so you'd run into a wall there before the FSB walled you. Anything after the Northwoods was more or less thermals because they ended up getting so fast and hot it was ridiculous, like the press-hots. P III's were limited by the fact that, at that time, Intel was having a helluva time getting the P3's to run at 1 GHz so they basically had very little headroom out of factory. Athlon's are a different story.... A XP's are easy to unlock so the chip is more the limit if you're determined. A64's later in their life started becoming really good overclockers and they continue to be, and the limit there is basically how far you're willing to push that new investment, Northwoods were damn fine OC'ers and the boards often ran out of headroom before the chip itself. But, overclocking is such a random thing sometimes that none of that even really matteers so much as how far you're willing to push your machine

Nov 10, 2005, 12:10 AM	Thread Starter #13
g35x Hellhound Pilot Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Deptford, New Jersey Posts: 1,100 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	[color=red]CPU-Z Report[/color] [color=red][/color][color=red]CPU-Z version 1.30. [/color][color=red]CPU(s)[/color][color=red] [/color][color=red]Number of CPUs[/color][color=red]1[/color][color=red]Name[/color][color=red]Intel Pentium 4[/color][color=red]Code Name[/color][color=red]Northwood[/color][color=red]Specification[/color][color=red]Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz[/color][color=red]Family / Model / Stepping[/color][color=red]F 2 7[/color][color=red]Extended Family / Model[/color][color=red]0 0[/color][color=red]Brand ID[/color][color=red]9[/color][color=red]Core Stepping[/color][color=red]C1[/color][color=red]Technology[/color][color=red]0.13 µ[/color][color=red]Supported Instructions Sets[/color][color=red]MMX, SSE, SSE2[/color][color=red]CPU Clock Speed[/color][color=red]2390.3 MHz[/color][color=red]L1 Data Cache[/color][color=red]8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size[/color][color=red]L1 Trace Cache[/color][color=red]12 Kµops, 8-way set associative[/color][color=red]L2 Cache[/color][color=red]512 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size[/color][color=red]L2 Speed[/color][color=red]2390.3 MHz (Full)[/color][color=red]L2 Location[/color][color=red]On Chip[/color][color=red]L2 Data Prefetch Logic[/color][color=red]yes[/color][color=red]L2 Bus Width[/color][color=red]256 bits[/color]will post more about mobo in a bit __________________

Nov 10, 2005, 12:13 AM	Thread Starter #14
g35x Hellhound Pilot Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Deptford, New Jersey Posts: 1,100 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	<<< Mainboard Information >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- < System > Manufacturer: Sony Corporation Model: PCV-RX860(UC) Version: 28471130 Serial Number: 3046129 ID: AB6605C0-11D71C2E-E000FD8C-6F27E618 < System Chassis > Manufacturer: Chassis Manufacture Type: Tower Can be locked: No Version: US Serial Number: R3261435 Asset Tag: P02600000000D9CC6C4B7A4A5E05 Boot-up State: Safe Power State: Safe Thermal State: Safe < Mainboard > Manufacturer: ASUSTeK Computer INC. MP Support: No Model: P4S533VX Version: REV 1.xx Serial Number: xxxxxxxxxxx System BIOS: 08/20/2002-SiS651-P4S533VX < System Memory Controller > Location: Mainboard Error Correction Capability: None Number of Memory Slots: 3 Maximum Installable Memory: 1GB Bank 1 - DIMM 1: DIMM Synchronous DRAM 512MB/64 Bank 2 - DIMM 2: Empty Bank 3 - DIMM 3: Empty < Chipset 1 > Model: ASUSTeK Computer Inc SiS651 CPU to PCI Bridge Bus(es): AGP PCI IMB USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus Front Side Bus Speed: 4x 133MHz (532MHz data rate) Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory:4x 133MHz / 2x 166MHz Width: 64-bit IO Queue Depth: 8 request(s) Priority Master Queue Depth: 7 request(s) __________________

Nov 10, 2005, 03:13 AM	#15
riles9262 Driverheaven brewmaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,842 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	This is a pretty cut and dry guide on chips like yours, which appears to be a 2.4B. If the viao will let you, you will have to play around with the front side bus and cpu voltage mainly, but ram voltage will likely have to be tweaked depending on the ram that you have. I do doubt that sony will give you that much control in your bios but lets hope so __________________ A beer a day keeps the doctor away.

Nov 10, 2005, 02:17 PM	Thread Starter #16
g35x Hellhound Pilot Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Deptford, New Jersey Posts: 1,100 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	heh well i have no clue how to do any of that lol i just thought it might be better then the sempron but its not even really worth all the touble kuz christmas is only like a month away so maybe ill save myself the trouble and just wait till i get my new stuff kuz i just OCed my x800xl and got everything running better so i think i can deal till i get my athlon X2 lol i was just curious about overclocking __________________

Nov 10, 2005, 04:32 PM	#17
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	I can almost guarantee you now that unless you got VERY lucky, the Sony BIOS will not let you piss around with that stuff. If you did, however, get a standard mobo with a different BIOS, you could look up the mobo on the website (if it has any physical means of telling what it is) then flash it with a manufacturers bios.

Dec 15, 2008, 05:58 AM	#18
kenwoods212 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Re: OCing a p4 northwood??? I have roughly the same system. Its a RX850...but the essentials are the same. I installed a new CPU and its running at half speed now. 1.2 GHz instead of 2.4. I know this is because the clock speed is set wrong, but the BIOS doesn't let you change anything associated with the CPU speed or clock speed or multiplier. How do I fix this issue?

Dec 15, 2008, 06:05 AM	#19
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,790 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	Re: OCing a p4 northwood??? first of all, welcome to DH! secondly, perhaps a new thread should have been created as this is a rather old thread now (started back in 2005). lastly, what are all your system specs? if your CPU is reporting itself at half speed, it could be a BIOS related issue, or perhaps the settings you are looking for need to be made available first by some other setting? some boards' BIOSes do that, like mine for example will not let you adjust FSB w/o first enabling the setting for it. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later