Overclocking For A Noob?

toddsmack2k · Jan 15, 2003, 07:50 AM

well i guess i need to order some better cooling and then hack this after i get it. i have seen a program calledwarpspeeder for biostar motherboards but cant find out where to d/l it from oh what the hey though thanks to all of your for your time and help

ToshiroOC · Jan 15, 2003, 07:54 AM

Oh, any time - I remember when I was first learning about all of this stuff, and really needing help and not getting any

So I'm glad to be able to help.. if you want, I can help you find a good cooler if you can tell me what you are looking for (2/3) PRICE, NOISE, PERFORMANCE...

toddsmack2k · Jan 15, 2003, 07:58 AM

seems like alot of people like the volcano's, might try that. I really dont want a noisy rig and of course the cheaper the better but i do want something of good quality thanks bud

ToshiroOC · Jan 15, 2003, 08:00 AM

Well, a friend of mine has an Akasa Silver Mountain 2Q and swears by it - I would suggest looking around for review on it and seeing how good it is (I would find a link or two but I'm leaving for a bit

) and also looking at the HSF battle at THG (posted on the front page), though take some of that with a grain of salt and also remember that they test stuffs there that aren't necesarily available widely in the US...

EDIT: 2Q meaning its the quiet version...

toddsmack2k · Jan 15, 2003, 08:02 AM

cool thanks i am going to bed now and will see what i can find thanks again

DriveEuro · Jan 15, 2003, 08:29 AM

Um, when I had my 2100 it ran 49-53 idle........I couldn't get it lower. Todd....I have a badass heatsink/fan....don't expect to get temps lower than 50C. I wouldn't suggest going for more cooling. You won't get much results temperature wise.

toddsmack2k · Jan 15, 2003, 08:37 AM

what do ya suggest then? I am open to any suggestions you might have

DriveEuro · Jan 15, 2003, 08:44 AM

don't overclock.....or if you do. Unlock the cpu and then increase the FSB (front side bus speed (the speed the CPU runs at before multiplied)) So instead of 133 * 13 like you have right now...it can be something like 145*12......or if your memory can take it..166*10....or 166*10.5

toddsmack2k · Jan 15, 2003, 08:51 AM

okay thanks for the info i am going to set back a bit and think about what i want to do, what about overclocking my graphics card? hehe

ToshiroOC · Jan 15, 2003, 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by DriveEuro
Um, when I had my 2100 it ran 49-53 idle........I couldn't get it lower. Todd....I have a badass heatsink/fan....don't expect to get temps lower than 50C. I wouldn't suggest going for more cooling. You won't get much results temperature wise.

Well Driveeuro, I don't know what to tell you... except that this "badass" HSF you have must really, really, really suck. I have one of the Swiftech MC462-A's, monstrous HSF's, damn badass, and I often see CPU temps at around ambient+8 (20C on cold nights, 35C on really hot days with the AC on...), with it very rarely going above this. More cooling DOES make a difference, trust me - just maybe not as much with the Palomino you have...

for the graphics card, you didn't give a manufacturer for it nor model... so what gpu do you have? I can tell you about gpu overclocking too, but I'd need to know the gear first

toddsmack2k · Jan 15, 2003, 09:50 AM

it ia a retail ati radeon 9700 pro

ToshiroOC · Jan 15, 2003, 09:54 AM

Ah, well, I would suggest downloading one of the various overclocking utilities available from www.guru3d.com like Powerstrip or whatever suits your fancy - just make sure it works with the 9700. Then do the same thing - overclock a bit, then a bit more, then when things get a bit unstable, back off a bit and then test for stability...

toddsmack2k · Jan 15, 2003, 10:03 AM

i am d/l radeonator right now i think i will give it a shot so far from what i have seen is that most people can get 370 core and 330 mem speeds and they run very stable at that. i will give mine a shot and see what happens . i do know that not aLL CARDS OC THE SAME BUT HEY I AM JUST INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT MINE CAN DO THANKS AGAIN tOSH YOU AND dRIVEeURO HAVE BEEN A GREAT HELP

sorry for the messed up typing using the quick reply and lack of sleep

ToshiroOC · Jan 15, 2003, 10:09 AM

Any time - and lack of sleep? Its only 2am (maybe more for you...) - how bad can it be

Have a good night of sleep - you don't want to make a really bad mistake like overclocking your card to 500/2000 and then setting the "set on startup" option

Remember, core errors will give you freezing and that sort of thing and memory errors will give you damaged textures, damaged models, damaged animations, etc. but not necesarily freezes, so keep that in mind as you start to hit the limits

toddsmack2k · Jan 15, 2003, 10:11 AM

its 4 am here in kentucky and thanks for again for your help going to do some playing now

ToshiroOC · Jan 15, 2003, 10:13 AM

sounds like a good idea - what is the point of overclocking and modding and tweaking if you don't use the system? Don't spend more time tuning the car than driving it, I say

DriveEuro · Jan 15, 2003, 08:24 PM

Well, in my house the house thermostat is set at 68-70F. Take into account that my room is that temp...windows closed. I have the fan only running at 4000rpm. You don't see many 2100 that run colder than that with minimal noise and not so many case fans. Lets put it this way .... Todd prolly aint got a lotta fans all over his case cuz he says he's a n00b. But for a 20$ heatsink/fan I believe it can't get too much better than that. Remember he's a n00b. He doesn't have zillions of fans. Prolly doesn't leave his room really cold (window open). Just for normal everday use temps below mine aren't necessary. Let's leave it at this. AMD says that their chips can operate up to 90C (some of them). Todd doesn't need to freak out if his cpu goes over 50. Cuz his idle temps are already 50...like mine were. Damn, I lost track. fuck this.

ToshiroOC · Jan 15, 2003, 11:24 PM

True, but higher temperatures just in general are bad things...

DriveEuro · Jan 15, 2003, 11:45 PM

But he won't get his temps lower than than 50C when overclocked on a normal heatsink. I was able to get 47C I think with the 2100xp and my volcano 9 running at full throttle

toddsmack2k · Jan 16, 2003, 01:23 AM

Your right i dont have a zillion fans one thing i have done until i get me some better cooling is put a small house fan on the case to help blow in cold air and i used powerstrip this morning to overclock my 9700 so far it is 370core/330 mem and running rock solid i think later i am going to push it a little harder

tigerarmyAFI · Jan 16, 2003, 01:40 AM

are you running benchmarks inbetween to monitor improvements? if so, post some results!!

toddsmack2k · Jan 16, 2003, 04:09 AM

well at 370/330 it done12016. nothing elso on my system is over clockedhttp://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5647774[/URL]

Jan 15, 2003, 07:50 AM	Thread Starter #31
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	well i guess i need to order some better cooling and then hack this after i get it. i have seen a program calledwarpspeeder for biostar motherboards but cant find out where to d/l it from oh what the hey though thanks to all of your for your time and help __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jan 15, 2003, 07:54 AM	#32
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Oh, any time - I remember when I was first learning about all of this stuff, and really needing help and not getting any So I'm glad to be able to help.. if you want, I can help you find a good cooler if you can tell me what you are looking for (2/3) PRICE, NOISE, PERFORMANCE... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 15, 2003, 07:58 AM	Thread Starter #33
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	seems like alot of people like the volcano's, might try that. I really dont want a noisy rig and of course the cheaper the better but i do want something of good quality thanks bud __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jan 15, 2003, 08:00 AM	#34
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Well, a friend of mine has an Akasa Silver Mountain 2Q and swears by it - I would suggest looking around for review on it and seeing how good it is (I would find a link or two but I'm leaving for a bit ) and also looking at the HSF battle at THG (posted on the front page), though take some of that with a grain of salt and also remember that they test stuffs there that aren't necesarily available widely in the US... EDIT: 2Q meaning its the quiet version... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 15, 2003, 08:02 AM	Thread Starter #35
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	cool thanks i am going to bed now and will see what i can find thanks again __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jan 15, 2003, 08:29 AM	#36
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Um, when I had my 2100 it ran 49-53 idle........I couldn't get it lower. Todd....I have a badass heatsink/fan....don't expect to get temps lower than 50C. I wouldn't suggest going for more cooling. You won't get much results temperature wise. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 15, 2003, 08:37 AM	Thread Starter #37
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	what do ya suggest then? I am open to any suggestions you might have __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jan 15, 2003, 08:44 AM	#38
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	don't overclock.....or if you do. Unlock the cpu and then increase the FSB (front side bus speed (the speed the CPU runs at before multiplied)) So instead of 133 * 13 like you have right now...it can be something like 14512......or if your memory can take it..16610....or 16610.5 __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 1280*1024

Jan 15, 2003, 08:51 AM	Thread Starter #39
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	okay thanks for the info i am going to set back a bit and think about what i want to do, what about overclocking my graphics card? hehe __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jan 15, 2003, 09:50 AM	Thread Starter #41
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	it ia a retail ati radeon 9700 pro __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jan 15, 2003, 09:54 AM	#42
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Ah, well, I would suggest downloading one of the various overclocking utilities available from www.guru3d.com like Powerstrip or whatever suits your fancy - just make sure it works with the 9700. Then do the same thing - overclock a bit, then a bit more, then when things get a bit unstable, back off a bit and then test for stability... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 15, 2003, 10:03 AM	Thread Starter #43
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	i am d/l radeonator right now i think i will give it a shot so far from what i have seen is that most people can get 370 core and 330 mem speeds and they run very stable at that. i will give mine a shot and see what happens . i do know that not aLL CARDS OC THE SAME BUT HEY I AM JUST INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT MINE CAN DO THANKS AGAIN tOSH YOU AND dRIVEeURO HAVE BEEN A GREAT HELP sorry for the messed up typing using the quick reply and lack of sleep __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jan 15, 2003, 10:09 AM	#44
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Any time - and lack of sleep? Its only 2am (maybe more for you...) - how bad can it be Have a good night of sleep - you don't want to make a really bad mistake like overclocking your card to 500/2000 and then setting the "set on startup" option Remember, core errors will give you freezing and that sort of thing and memory errors will give you damaged textures, damaged models, damaged animations, etc. but not necesarily freezes, so keep that in mind as you start to hit the limits __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 15, 2003, 10:11 AM	Thread Starter #45
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	its 4 am here in kentucky and thanks for again for your help going to do some playing now __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jan 15, 2003, 10:13 AM	#46
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	sounds like a good idea - what is the point of overclocking and modding and tweaking if you don't use the system? Don't spend more time tuning the car than driving it, I say __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 16, 2003, 01:40 AM	#51
tigerarmyAFI DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England Posts: 111 Rep Power: 0	are you running benchmarks inbetween to monitor improvements? if so, post some results!! __________________ AMD AthlonXP 1800+ ThoroughBred B JIUHB @ 2137MHz Geforce4 Ti 4200 128Mb @ 310/600 (ASUS V8420) ABIT KX-7 333 v1.1 512Mb Micron PC2700 DDR Creative Live! 5.1 Aircooled (45c Full load)

Jan 15, 2003, 08:24 PM	#47
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Well, in my house the house thermostat is set at 68-70F. Take into account that my room is that temp...windows closed. I have the fan only running at 4000rpm. You don't see many 2100 that run colder than that with minimal noise and not so many case fans. Lets put it this way .... Todd prolly aint got a lotta fans all over his case cuz he says he's a n00b. But for a 20$ heatsink/fan I believe it can't get too much better than that. Remember he's a n00b. He doesn't have zillions of fans. Prolly doesn't leave his room really cold (window open). Just for normal everday use temps below mine aren't necessary. Let's leave it at this. AMD says that their chips can operate up to 90C (some of them). Todd doesn't need to freak out if his cpu goes over 50. Cuz his idle temps are already 50...like mine were. Damn, I lost track. fuck this. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 15, 2003, 11:24 PM	#48
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	True, but higher temperatures just in general are bad things... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 15, 2003, 11:45 PM	#49
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	But he won't get his temps lower than than 50C when overclocked on a normal heatsink. I was able to get 47C I think with the 2100xp and my volcano 9 running at full throttle __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 16, 2003, 01:23 AM	Thread Starter #50
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	Your right i dont have a zillion fans one thing i have done until i get me some better cooling is put a small house fan on the case to help blow in cold air and i used powerstrip this morning to overclock my 9700 so far it is 370core/330 mem and running rock solid i think later i am going to push it a little harder __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jan 16, 2003, 04:09 AM	Thread Starter #52
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	well at 370/330 it done12016. nothing elso on my system is over clockedhttp://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5647774[/URL] __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]