How well will a Tualane celeron overclock

call · Jan 15, 2003, 12:29 AM

Well someone suggested I upgrade my 1ghz celeron to a 1.4Ghz Tualane and then overclock it.

Are these things good overclockers?

ToshiroOC · Jan 15, 2003, 12:37 AM

In a word... yes. Digi (who is probably the one who suggested it), has his running at 1.75, and it beats my 1.6ghz Athlon XP by a noticable margin... so I would say that it is good and worth it, especially if you are willing to put the time into it and cool it and tweak it properly...

JavaFox · Jan 15, 2003, 09:09 PM

Call, unless you already have a Tualatin-capable motherboard, I wouldn't recommend upgrading to one. Just get a good, solid AMD motherboard and a 1600+ - 2000+ and overclock.

digitalwanderer · Jan 15, 2003, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Call, unless you already have a Tualatin-capable motherboard, I wouldn't recommend upgrading to one. Just get a good, solid AMD motherboard and a 1600+ - 2000+ and overclock.

He has a TUSL2-C, and I'm pretty sure it'll handle a tuly.

(What bios are you running on your TUSL2-C, btw? I have a nice tweaked one...

)

call · Jan 17, 2003, 05:02 AM

Hmm dont know but i think its the latest Bios. Wouldnt mind getting your tweaked settings

digitalwanderer · Jan 17, 2003, 05:44 AM

It's a custom tweaked bios from www.x86-secret.com one of the "evil inside" series.

EDITED BITS: Found it! Here's the link to the explanation of the tweaked bios & download...in english.

JCLW · Jan 19, 2003, 12:28 AM

Most of the newer ones will do ~1750.

I'd even suggest starting with a slower one, like a 1.3 or 1.2 because the extra memory bandwidth will help.

A 1.4 @1.75 has a 125mhz FSB and memory bus
A 1.3 @ 1.73 has a 133mhz FSB and memory bus (6% faster)
A 1.2 @ 1.74 has a 145mhz FSB and memory bus (16% faster)

If you've got some decent PC133 I'd go for the 1.3 @1.73 (133FSB) because of the extra memory bandwidth, plus your PCI & AGP will all be in spec. You'll need really good memory to run a 1.2 @1.74 with decent memory timings so I wouldn't bother unless you have some PC150 CL2 or PC166 CL3.

Get one with an sSpec starting with SL6__ if you can.

[edit]I wish the x86-secret guys would mod the newer BIOSes. Asus is up to 14b and they only have a 12b. Still, I can't really complain - and I should really be thanking them for all their efforts[/edit]

- JW

call · Jan 23, 2003, 02:14 AM

What Voltage setting do i need to get up to 1.75 ish

digitalwanderer · Jan 23, 2003, 02:46 AM

...either 1.55 or 1.65, I get confused which. One bump up from the default setting, any higher and it gets too hot to make it thru 3dm2k1se for me.

call · Jan 26, 2003, 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by digitalwanderer
...either 1.55 or 1.65, I get confused which. One bump up from the default setting, any higher and it gets too hot to make it thru 3dm2k1se for me.

What temperature does your CPU run at ?
I have mine over clocked to 1588Mgz and it usuallly run at 52 degress Celsius. It can go all the way up to 1.68Mhz, it boots up fine but the freezes up as soon as I try to run a game. Dont think its heat related though since at that speed the temerature only jumps by 2 or 3 degrees . I think my Hardrive cant handle the higher PCI bus frequency.

digitalwanderer · Jan 26, 2003, 02:46 PM

Me CPU usually runs about 46-48 with highs (if the house is hot

) of 52-53. For me heat seems to be a REAL issue, if I crack 54 she becomes unstable and at 55 pretty much guarantees a lock-up. (But I've seen it as high as 58 on a few test boots...but it never made it thru any testing at that temp) All CPU temps from Asus Probe, BTW.

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JCLW · Jan 26, 2003, 03:12 PM

What chip did you end up getting Call?

What heatsinks are you using? I find the stock intel heatisnk is good to around ~1600, after that you'll need something like a volcano 7+ (all copper).

Mine used to run 43/48C with an old monster heatsink off a Tbird-900, but by lapping both the heatsink & IHS, and using AS3 I got it down to 33/37C.

That's all with my 1.2 @1750 (@1.75v).

99.9% of components should do a 120FSB/40PCI/80AGP. 50% will do 124FSB/41PCI/83AGP. So if you can't hit 1680 (120FSB on a 1.4) it's probably either too much heat or not enough voltage. If your drive controller can't handle the speed it usually will not detect any drives upon startup, or corrupts your drives when it's running and you get a blue screen. In my experience a complete lockpup is usually memory or processor.

call · Jan 26, 2003, 07:30 PM

Its a 1.4 Tualatin if thats what you mean ?
Its clocked at 1.58mhz at the default voltage (1.5V) and Im using the stock heat sink and fan, it runs very steady (Let a replay of Age of Mythology run on a loop all night for about 8 hours and it was still running when i woke up). That game is heavy on the processor. I guess 52 degrees is a little high considering you get 37?? I don'thave a fancy case so not much air flow going into the case. Guess I'll stay put at 1.58mhz . Im going to raise the voltage to 1.7 and try a see how it holds up at 1680+ mhz just for testign sake but im still happy with it getting 200 more mhz out of it is fine by me.

btw I use Asus probe to monitor temperature but i think it might be incorrect even when its at default clock and voltage it says the CPU temp is still 50degrees.

digitalwanderer · Jan 26, 2003, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by call
I don'thave a fancy case so not much air flow going into the case.

Me neither, I'm the original "tinsnips, fans, & window screening" cheap case uglifier....but the puppies breath nice when I'm done with them and it's cheap as hell.

I just thought the term "fancy case" was a funny way to describe what me rigs got, it's much more of a "ghetto-modded-from-hell!" kind of case...but it's starting to look decent again. (I keep switching it about

)

call · Jan 26, 2003, 07:59 PM

Lol Im about to ghetto mod mine too get some circulatin going haha!

ToshiroOC · Jan 26, 2003, 07:59 PM

coughcoughcough...

JCLW · Jan 27, 2003, 04:21 AM

Case? What's a case?

I don't have my Tualeron project in a case (just bolted to a motherboard tray) because soon the whole thing (excluding drives) will be submerged in di-electric oil.

I'll post pics whenever I get a chance to finish it.

You don't get much variation in temps because the IHS is doing its job.

So how do you find it compared to your 1ghz celery?

BTW: This is a case (Check out the system specs as well)

- JW

call · Jan 28, 2003, 04:29 PM

Its a lot faster than the ole 1g clery i had even at the default speed. I dunno if 400 Mhz makes much of a difference but it sure seems a whole lot faster. Hey you serious about the oil?

digitalwanderer · Jan 28, 2003, 06:10 PM

It's not really a celeron, it's much closer to a PIII than a celeron...that's the big "tulatin" difference.

JCLW · Feb 2, 2003, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by call
Hey you serious about the oil?

Yup

It's actually better then a PIII coppermine core, because intel "borrowed" the L2 cache data pre-fetch that they developed for the P4 and added that to the Tualatin cores. This allows the chips to "guess" what data will be needed next, and load it into the L2 cache when the memory bus has any free cycles, freeing up as much precious FSB bandwidth as possible.

- JW

Jan 15, 2003, 12:29 AM	#1
call DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	How well will a Tualane celeron overclock Well someone suggested I upgrade my 1ghz celeron to a 1.4Ghz Tualane and then overclock it. Are these things good overclockers?

Jan 15, 2003, 12:37 AM	#2
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	In a word... yes. Digi (who is probably the one who suggested it), has his running at 1.75, and it beats my 1.6ghz Athlon XP by a noticable margin... so I would say that it is good and worth it, especially if you are willing to put the time into it and cool it and tweak it properly... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 17, 2003, 05:44 AM	#6
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Not tweaked settings. It's a custom tweaked bios from www.x86-secret.com one of the "evil inside" series. EDITED BITS: Found it! Here's the link to the explanation of the tweaked bios & download...in english. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jan 23, 2003, 02:46 AM	#9
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Uhm... ...either 1.55 or 1.65, I get confused which. One bump up from the default setting, any higher and it gets too hot to make it thru 3dm2k1se for me. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jan 26, 2003, 02:46 PM	#11
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	HOT! Me CPU usually runs about 46-48 with highs (if the house is hot ) of 52-53. For me heat seems to be a REAL issue, if I crack 54 she becomes unstable and at 55 pretty much guarantees a lock-up. (But I've seen it as high as 58 on a few test boots...but it never made it thru any testing at that temp) All CPU temps from Asus Probe, BTW. ] __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jan 15, 2003, 09:09 PM	#3
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Call, unless you already have a Tualatin-capable motherboard, I wouldn't recommend upgrading to one. Just get a good, solid AMD motherboard and a 1600+ - 2000+ and overclock.

Jan 17, 2003, 05:02 AM	Thread Starter #5
call DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	Hmm dont know but i think its the latest Bios. Wouldnt mind getting your tweaked settings

Jan 19, 2003, 12:28 AM	#7
JCLW Long Live The P6! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	Most of the newer ones will do ~1750. I'd even suggest starting with a slower one, like a 1.3 or 1.2 because the extra memory bandwidth will help. A 1.4 @1.75 has a 125mhz FSB and memory bus A 1.3 @ 1.73 has a 133mhz FSB and memory bus (6% faster) A 1.2 @ 1.74 has a 145mhz FSB and memory bus (16% faster) If you've got some decent PC133 I'd go for the 1.3 @1.73 (133FSB) because of the extra memory bandwidth, plus your PCI & AGP will all be in spec. You'll need really good memory to run a 1.2 @1.74 with decent memory timings so I wouldn't bother unless you have some PC150 CL2 or PC166 CL3. Get one with an sSpec starting with SL6__ if you can. [edit]I wish the x86-secret guys would mod the newer BIOSes. Asus is up to 14b and they only have a 12b. Still, I can't really complain - and I should really be thanking them for all their efforts[/edit] - JW

Jan 23, 2003, 02:14 AM	Thread Starter #8
call DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	What Voltage setting do i need to get up to 1.75 ish

Jan 26, 2003, 03:12 PM	#12
JCLW Long Live The P6! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	What chip did you end up getting Call? What heatsinks are you using? I find the stock intel heatisnk is good to around ~1600, after that you'll need something like a volcano 7+ (all copper). Mine used to run 43/48C with an old monster heatsink off a Tbird-900, but by lapping both the heatsink & IHS, and using AS3 I got it down to 33/37C. That's all with my 1.2 @1750 (@1.75v). 99.9% of components should do a 120FSB/40PCI/80AGP. 50% will do 124FSB/41PCI/83AGP. So if you can't hit 1680 (120FSB on a 1.4) it's probably either too much heat or not enough voltage. If your drive controller can't handle the speed it usually will not detect any drives upon startup, or corrupts your drives when it's running and you get a blue screen. In my experience a complete lockpup is usually memory or processor.

Jan 26, 2003, 07:30 PM	Thread Starter #13
call DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	Its a 1.4 Tualatin if thats what you mean ? Its clocked at 1.58mhz at the default voltage (1.5V) and Im using the stock heat sink and fan, it runs very steady (Let a replay of Age of Mythology run on a loop all night for about 8 hours and it was still running when i woke up). That game is heavy on the processor. I guess 52 degrees is a little high considering you get 37?? I don'thave a fancy case so not much air flow going into the case. Guess I'll stay put at 1.58mhz . Im going to raise the voltage to 1.7 and try a see how it holds up at 1680+ mhz just for testign sake but im still happy with it getting 200 more mhz out of it is fine by me. btw I use Asus probe to monitor temperature but i think it might be incorrect even when its at default clock and voltage it says the CPU temp is still 50degrees. Last edited by call; Jan 26, 2003 at 07:37 PM.

Jan 26, 2003, 07:59 PM	Thread Starter #15
call DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	Lol Im about to ghetto mod mine too get some circulatin going haha!

Jan 26, 2003, 07:59 PM	#16
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	coughcoughcough... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 27, 2003, 04:21 AM	#17
JCLW Long Live The P6! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	Case? What's a case? I don't have my Tualeron project in a case (just bolted to a motherboard tray) because soon the whole thing (excluding drives) will be submerged in di-electric oil. I'll post pics whenever I get a chance to finish it. You don't get much variation in temps because the IHS is doing its job. So how do you find it compared to your 1ghz celery? BTW: This is a case (Check out the system specs as well) - JW

Jan 28, 2003, 04:29 PM	Thread Starter #18
call DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	Its a lot faster than the ole 1g clery i had even at the default speed. I dunno if 400 Mhz makes much of a difference but it sure seems a whole lot faster. Hey you serious about the oil?

Jan 28, 2003, 06:10 PM	#19
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	There's a reason for that speedy-quick feel. It's not really a celeron, it's much closer to a PIII than a celeron...that's the big "tulatin" difference. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?