next world power = China?..

~sidewinder~

On my His. 12(American Civilization 2) class, my professor mentioned about how Asia(mainly China) could be the next world power. He talked about China's rapid growth and development and how the US has billions of debts to the country. What do you guys think about this matter?..

Falstaff

China and India really, in terms of economic growth, but they are both world powers, and their economys do influence world trade so to speak.

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Pompey

Could? It would have been better to say "will more than likely". We (North America, EU and Australasia) couldnt even match the population of either of China or India.
In the end we still have the lifestyle, they will end up unhappy living in poorly built shoe-box apartments like the Japanese listening to tacky pop music. Western money without the western lifestyle.

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Falstaff

well if your referring to the popular Japanese music they have their own genre..its called J-pop, and I like Tricertops, old band but pretty good.

India is training and sending the U.S. software engineers, just ask IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, Unisys, etc....

And China, we are making nice with a really huge economic monster that will eventually rule the world....

Look out free world..

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Sandok

Economic power yes... World power, no...

Falstaff

World Power Yes...

They have nuclear weapons

A huge navy and army and airforce

Economic interests across the world.

Powerful influence in the UN..

Manufacture and sell weapons to any nation we dont sell weapons to, should I go on?

China is a world power in almost every respect, they have relief organizations..

China is one of the last nations to admit a problem with radical muslims as well.....

http://www.stratfor.com/products/pre....php?id=265266

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Sandok

Yeah but they still aren't a major player in the happenings of the world.

Falstaff

yes they are, from oil contracts wtih IRAQ to a huge trade gap that is broadening. The average chinese person only earns a quarter of the income that anyone else in the world does, but they are manufacturing considerably more. And the wealthy and upper middle class chinese are buying and driving automobiles so they need more goods and services. Currently the U.S. and other nations have invested heavily in China and they have formed partnerships with most western nations.
And weapons? Who do you think is involved with IRAN and N. Korea quietly watching to see who will win, it is a battle of wills that China won long ago.
China is an insular nation, but they are fast becoming more powerful as the pollution in the world is increasing, soon they will outstrip the U.S. in terms of almost everything that effects world economy, planetary health and geo-politics.

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LHC

Well, let's just hope Bush doesn't piss them off. At least we've been on good terms with China as of late, haven't we?

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Falstaff

If they cross his path...
its the cowboy way...

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Sandok

Hell India is number one

[hobo]eclipse

what the hell are we so in debt to China for?

Asmoday

hookers and booze?




...j/k

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[hobo]eclipse

thats what i was thinkin, somthin rediculas, and it better not be OIL!

Falstaff

It is not that we are in debt per se, but look at the value of the Luang compared to the dollar, what if they raised the value of their curerncy?

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~sidewinder~

lots of manufacturing are made in China even when a product is designed here in the US because of cheap labor. China exports lots of goods here that i bet you can always find something in your home that is made from china from your clothings and appliances...etc.

Judas

your joking yourself if you don't consider china a world power.... in both military, eco, people.... generally everything..

frankly if they could move what they have quickly and efficently.. they could easily roll into any place and "aquire it"

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Sandok

But the backlash on their own country would not be sooo good... I don't realyl consider them a world power because they don't influence the world on anything but economic level. They are to be reckoned with but they can be more powerful than what they are!

Falstaff

You have much to learn grasshopper..
I am not patronizing you really I am not...
Please turn into any history book whether it was written about anchient China or contemporary China and you will see a much larger world with China prominently placed along with all the "world" powers.
in fact the worse thing you can do is under estimate China, the Japanese did, as they did us too.

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Nacht

China is not a world power, not yet. They are getting there economically.

Judas

define world power please...... define in which china isn't and then how the US or Europe in general is..... compare them and tell me how.

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Falstaff

a state powerful enough to influence events throughout the world
[color=#008000]wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn[/color]

In the context of international relations and diplomacy, power (sometimes clarified as international power), national power, or state power) is the ability of one state to influence or control other states. States with this ability are called powers, middle powers, regional powers, great powers (sometimes capitalized), superpowers, and hyperpowers.
[color=#008000]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_power[/color]

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Judas

and china isn't able to do those things?

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Falstaff

My point is that since the overthrow of Chang Kai Chek and the Nationalist government, China has arguably been a world power, since political changes and the build up of power of the Communist government, they have successfully changed world policy, opinion and even fought and won and lost wars with world powers.

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Judas

So you yourself also consider china a world power.

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Nacht

Estimated per capita GDP for 2005:

China: US$6,300
United States: US$42,000

Military balance:

China: 2.270 Million
USA: 1.414 Million (All volunteer)

Military Budget:

China: $81.48 Billion
USA: $518.1 Billion

Thats just economically and militarily. In either case, China is not yet a World/Super power. They will get there economically at some point, but as of now they are still too relatively backwards and under developed, especially in the western portions of the country.

Judas

Some money dictates overall power? Not other numbers?

IMO, the US waists a fair bit of it's own money.... just one experimentation alone....

Why don't we compare nation debt and add that to the equation then

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BWX

Debt? Don't confuse debt with a trade defecit... which many people don;t even understand.. but still, "a billion" is NOTHING.




Rank Country GDP (purchasing power parity) Date of Information


[COLOR=Red]1 World $ 59,590,000,000,000 2005 est. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=Red]2 United States $ 12,410,000,000,000 2005 est. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=Red]3 European Union $ 12,180,000,000,000 2005 est. [/COLOR]

4 China $ 8,182,000,000,000 2005 est.

5 Japan $ 3,914,000,000,000 2005 est.

6 India $ 3,699,000,000,000 2005 est.

7 Germany $ 2,454,000,000,000 2005 est.

8 United Kingdom $ 1,869,000,000,000 2005 est.

9 France $ 1,822,000,000,000 2005 est.

10 Italy $ 1,651,000,000,000 2005 est.
11 Brazil $ 1,568,000,000,000 2005 est.
12 Russia $ 1,539,000,000,000 2005 est.
13 Canada $ 1,080,000,000,000 2005 est.
14 Mexico $ 1,068,000,000,000 2005 est.
15 Spain $ 1,017,000,000,000 2005 est.
16 Korea, South $ 965,300,000,000 2005 est.
17 Indonesia $ 901,700,000,000 2005 est.
18 Australia $ 642,100,000,000 2005 est.
19 Taiwan $ 611,500,000,000 2005 est.
20 Iran $ 552,800,000,000 2005 est.
21 Turkey $ 552,700,000,000 2005 est.
22 Thailand $ 545,800,000,000 2005 est.
23 Argentina $ 542,800,000,000 2005 est.
24 South Africa $ 534,600,000,000 2005 est.
25 Netherlands $ 501,600,000,000 2005 est.
26 Poland $ 489,800,000,000 2005 est.
27 Philippines $ 451,300,000,000 2005 est.
28 Pakistan $ 384,900,000,000 2005 est.
29 Saudi Arabia $ 340,600,000,000 2005 est.
30 Egypt $ 339,200,000,000 2005 est.
31 Belgium $ 330,600,000,000 2005 est.
32 Ukraine $ 319,400,000,000 2005 est.
33 Colombia $ 303,700,000,000 2005 est.
34 Bangladesh $ 301,400,000,000 2005 est.
35 Austria $ 269,600,000,000 2005 est.
36 Sweden $ 268,300,000,000 2005 est.
37 Switzerland $ 264,100,000,000 2005 est.
38 Hong Kong $ 258,100,000,000 2005 est.
39 Vietnam $ 253,200,000,000 2005 est.
40 Malaysia $ 248,700,000,000 2005 est.
41 Greece $ 243,300,000,000 2005 est.
42 Algeria $ 233,900,000,000 2005 est.
43 Portugal $ 196,300,000,000 2005 est.
44 Norway $ 194,700,000,000 2005 est.
45 Romania $ 186,700,000,000 2005 est.
46 Czech Republic $ 185,700,000,000 2005 est.
47 Chile $ 185,100,000,000 2005 est.
48 Denmark $ 181,600,000,000 2005 est.
49 Peru $ 169,500,000,000 2005 est.
50 Venezuela $ 164,100,000,000 2005 est.
51 Hungary $ 161,000,000,000 2005 est.
52 Finland $ 159,700,000,000 2005 est.
53 Morocco $ 140,900,000,000 2005 est.
54 Israel $ 140,100,000,000 2005 est.
55 Ireland $ 136,900,000,000 2005 est.
56 Kazakhstan $ 133,200,000,000 2005 est.
57 Nigeria $ 132,900,000,000 2005 est.
58 Singapore $ 132,300,000,000 2005 est.
59 New Zealand $ 97,590,000,000 2005 est.
60 Iraq $ 94,100,000,000 2005 est.
61 Sri Lanka $ 87,150,000,000 2005 est.
62 Slovakia $ 85,560,000,000 2005 est.
63 Sudan $ 84,930,000,000 2005 est.
64 Belarus $ 79,130,000,000 2005 est.
65 Tunisia $ 76,990,000,000 2005 est.
66 Burma $ 76,360,000,000 2005 est.
67 United Arab Emirates $ 74,670,000,000 2005 est.
68 Puerto Rico $ 72,520,000,000 2005 est.
69 Bulgaria $ 67,290,000,000 2005 est.
70 Syria $ 63,310,000,000 2005 est.
71 Guatemala $ 62,970,000,000 2005 est.
72 Ethiopia $ 60,340,000,000 2005 est.
73 Dominican Republic $ 60,000,000,000 2005 est.
74 Uruguay $ 54,580,000,000 2005 est.
75 Croatia $ 53,560,000,000 2005 est.
76 Kuwait $ 53,310,000,000 2005 est.
77 Uzbekistan $ 53,010,000,000 2005 est.
78 Ecuador $ 52,770,000,000 2005 est.
79 Ghana $ 51,900,000,000 2005 est.
80 Lithuania $ 50,120,000,000 2005 est.
81 Libya $ 48,290,000,000 2005 est.
82 Congo, Democratic Republic of the $ 46,370,000,000 2005 est.
83 Uganda $ 46,060,000,000 2005 est.
84 Angola $ 45,930,000,000 2005 est.
85 Nepal $ 42,260,000,000 2005 est.
86 Slovenia $ 42,260,000,000 2005 est.
87 Costa Rica $ 40,440,000,000 2005 est.
88 Oman $ 40,220,000,000 2005 est.
89 Korea, North $ 40,000,000,000 2005 est.
90 Kenya $ 39,600,000,000 2005 est.
91 Cuba $ 37,240,000,000 2005 est.
92 Azerbaijan $ 37,030,000,000 2005 est.
93 El Salvador $ 34,150,000,000 2005 est.
94 Paraguay $ 31,790,000,000 2005 est.
95 Cameroon $ 31,770,000,000 2005 est.
96 Turkmenistan $ 30,020,000,000 2005 est.
97 Cambodia $ 29,890,000,000 2005 est.
98 Latvia $ 29,700,000,000 2005 est.
99 Luxembourg $ 29,430,000,000 2005 est.
100 Serbia and Montenegro $ 28,700,000,000 2005 est.
101 Bosnia and Herzegovina $ 28,590,000,000 2005 est.
102 Jordan $ 27,860,000,000 2005 est.
103 Tanzania $ 26,850,000,000 2005 est.
104 Cote d'Ivoire $ 26,110,000,000 2005 est.
105 Equatorial Guinea $ 25,690,000,000 2005 est.
106 Mozambique $ 25,660,000,000 2005 est.
107 Zimbabwe $ 24,990,000,000 2005 est.
108 Bolivia $ 23,730,000,000 2005 est.
109 Qatar $ 22,510,000,000 2005 est.
110 Panama $ 22,330,000,000 2005 est.
111 Estonia $ 21,920,000,000 2005 est.
112 Afghanistan $ 21,500,000,000 2004 est.
113 Guinea $ 20,780,000,000 2005 est.
114 Senegal $ 20,440,000,000 2005 est.
115 Lebanon $ 20,420,000,000 2005 est.
116 Honduras $ 20,210,000,000 2005 est.
117 Albania $ 18,070,000,000 2005 est.
118 Chad $ 17,730,000,000 2005 est.
119 Yemen $ 17,230,000,000 2005 est.
120 Cyprus $ 16,850,000,000 2005 est.
121 Burkina Faso $ 16,830,000,000 2005 est.
122 Namibia $ 16,580,000,000 2005 est.
123 Botswana $ 16,480,000,000 2005 est.
124 Mauritius $ 16,280,000,000 2005 est.
125 Madagascar $ 15,850,000,000 2005 est.
126 Armenia $ 15,700,000,000 2005 est.
127 Georgia $ 15,550,000,000 2005 est.
128 Macedonia $ 15,550,000,000 2005 est.
129 Bahrain $ 14,110,000,000 2005 est.
130 Trinidad and Tobago $ 13,920,000,000 2005 est.
131 Papua New Guinea $ 13,350,000,000 2005 est.
132 Nicaragua $ 13,240,000,000 2005 est.
133 Haiti $ 12,850,000,000 2005 est.
134 Laos $ 11,920,000,000 2005 est.
135 Mali $ 11,860,000,000 2005 est.
136 Jamaica $ 11,560,000,000 2005 est.
137 Rwanda $ 11,260,000,000 2005 est.
138 Iceland $ 10,340,000,000 2005 est.
139 Zambia $ 10,230,000,000 2005 est.
140 Niger $ 10,220,000,000 2005 est.
141 Macau $ 10,000,000,000 2004 est.
142 Moldova $ 9,519,000,000 2005 est.
143 Kyrgyzstan $ 9,033,000,000 2005 est.
144 Togo $ 8,948,000,000 2005 est.
145 Tajikistan $ 8,826,000,000 2005 est.
146 Benin $ 8,669,000,000 2005 est.
147 Gabon $ 8,047,000,000 2005 est.
148 Malawi $ 7,645,000,000 2005 est.
149 Malta $ 7,568,000,000 2005 est.
150 Brunei $ 6,842,000,000 2003 est.
151 Swaziland $ 6,222,000,000 2005 est.
152 Mauritania $ 6,198,000,000 2005 est.
153 Martinique $ 6,117,000,000 2003 est.
154 Lesotho $ 6,064,000,000 2005 est.
155 Mongolia $ 6,022,000,000 2005 est.
156 Bahamas, The $ 5,696,000,000 2005 est.
157 Fiji $ 5,409,000,000 2005 est.
158 Sierra Leone $ 5,022,000,000 2005 est.
159 Barbados $ 4,841,000,000 2005 est.
160 Somalia $ 4,835,000,000 2005 est.
161 Reunion $ 4,811,000,000 2005 est.
162 French Polynesia $ 4,580,000,000 2003 est.
163 Cyprus $ 4,540,000,000 2005 est.
164 Bermuda $ 4,500,000,000 2004 est.
165 Central African Republic $ 4,479,000,000 2005 est.
166 Eritrea $ 4,471,000,000 2005 est.
167 Burundi $ 4,399,000,000 2005 est.
168 Jersey $ 3,600,000,000 2003 est.
169 Guadeloupe $ 3,513,000,000 2003 est.
170 New Caledonia $ 3,158,000,000 2003 est.
171 Cape Verde $ 2,990,000,000 2005 est.
172 Gambia, The $ 2,946,000,000 2005 est.
173 Bhutan $ 2,900,000,000 2003 est.
174 Guyana $ 2,895,000,000 2005 est.
175 Netherlands Antilles $ 2,800,000,000 2004 est.
176 Congo, Republic of the $ 2,616,000,000 2005 est.
177 Liberia $ 2,598,000,000 2005 est.
178 Guernsey $ 2,590,000,000 2003 est.
179 Guam $ 2,500,000,000 2005 est.
180 Virgin Islands $ 2,500,000,000 2002 est.
181 British Virgin Islands $ 2,498,000,000 2004 est.
182 Aruba $ 2,130,000,000 2004 est.
183 Isle of Man $ 2,113,000,000 2003 est.
184 Suriname $ 2,081,000,000 2005 est.
185 Andorra $ 1,840,000,000 2004
186 West Bank $ 1,800,000,000 2003 est.
187 Belize $ 1,778,000,000 2004 est.
188 French Guiana $ 1,551,000,000 2003 est.
189 Cayman Islands $ 1,391,000,000 2004 est.
190 Maldives $ 1,250,000,000 2002 est.
191 Guinea-Bissau $ 1,103,000,000 2005 est.
192 Greenland $ 1,100,000,000 2001 est.
193 Faroe Islands $ 1,000,000,000 2001 est.
194 Samoa $ 1,000,000,000 2002 est.
195 San Marino $ 940,000,000 2001 est.
196 Northern Mariana Islands $ 900,000,000 2000 est.
197 Monaco $ 870,000,000 2000 est.
198 Saint Lucia $ 866,000,000 2002 est.
199 Liechtenstein $ 825,000,000 1999 est.
200 Solomon Islands $ 800,000,000 2002 est.
201 Gibraltar $ 769,000,000 2000 est.
202 Gaza Strip $ 768,000,000 2003 est.
203 Antigua and Barbuda $ 750,000,000 2002 est.
204 Seychelles $ 626,000,000 2002 est.
205 Djibouti $ 619,000,000 2002 est.
206 Vanuatu $ 580,000,000 2003 est.
207 American Samoa $ 500,000,000 2000 est.
208 Mayotte $ 466,800,000 2003 est.
209 Comoros $ 441,000,000 2002 est.
210 Grenada $ 440,000,000 2002 est.
211 Dominica $ 384,000,000 2003 est.
212 East Timor $ 370,000,000 2004 est.
213 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines $ 342,000,000 2002 est.
214 Saint Kitts and Nevis $ 339,000,000 2002 est.
215 Micronesia, Federated States of $ 277,000,000 2002 est.
216 Tonga $ 244,000,000 2002 est.
217 Turks and Caicos Islands $ 216,000,000 2002 est.
218 Sao Tome and Principe $ 214,000,000 2003 est.
219 Palau $ 174,000,000 2001 est.
220 Marshall Islands $ 115,000,000 2001 est.
221 Anguilla $ 112,000,000 2002 est.
222 Cook Islands $ 105,000,000 2001 est.
223 Kiribati $ 79,000,000 2001 est.
224 Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) $ 75,000,000 2002 est.
225 Nauru $ 60,000,000 2005 est.
226 Wallis and Futuna $ 60,000,000 2004 est.
227 Saint Pierre and Miquelon $ 48,300,000 2003 est.
228 Montserrat $ 29,000,000 2002 est.
229 Saint Helena $ 18,000,000 1998 est.
230 Tuvalu $ 12,200,000 2000 est.
231 Niue $ 7,600,000 2000 est.
232 Tokelau $ 1,500,000 1993 est.

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BWX

DP ....

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Neshi

us and the european union have debt with china... if they would demand that money back we would be in so much trouble... whole world economy and balance would fall apart...

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