Pentagon 911 video

Sandok · Sep 12, 2006, 03:05 PM

Well I'm quite sure I see the opposite

Hahahaha dunno in this pic, the grass is fine meaning no engines crashed into it...

dsdsdk · Sep 12, 2006, 11:50 PM

About the pentagon crash..

Did the plane hit the gound first? yes? would the wings shatter when that happend?

Is the pentagon a strong structure? Plane only damaged outer block, so that's a yes. So only the fuselage could cause damage to structure, damaged pieces (debris) of wings wouldnt collapse the building. (look at left and right on the bottom of the building).

Anyways. The ~11 conspicrazytheories all have one flaw! They all blame Bush and co.!! Shouldnt atleast one of them blame aliens? lol nope.. all Bush..

dsdsdk · Sep 13, 2006, 12:00 AM

Some grass must have burned. Maybe they prioritised laying new grass before extinguising the building...

OmegaRED · Sep 13, 2006, 03:33 AM

9/11 conspiracy theories were cool a few years back before we had much of a clue how much of a bumbling administration Bush runs, they couldn't possibly have organized such a conspiracy nor does it make any sense to.

Sandok · Sep 13, 2006, 06:20 AM

Could be the illuminati? *drum roll*

dsdsdk · Sep 13, 2006, 11:31 AM

nope 'cause I wouldnt make my people do that..

TheBlackCat · Sep 16, 2006, 07:25 PM

I recommend visiting 911myths.com. They have answers to most conspiracy theorists' claims. If you have specific questions that you think poke holes in the official story, go there because there are very likely going to be answers (not that conspiracies theorists are generally satisfied with any answer).

Here is a very good computer simulation done by an engineering consulting company. They used 3D modelling to show how a plane impact could account for what was seen at the pentagon, including the damage and the security camera footage. There is also an answer to the claim that there was no wreckage.

Here some people at purdue used finite element modelling, a type of computer modelling where a structure is broken up into a finite number of pieces so the differential equations regarding their behavior can be solved, to recreate the crash, including the disintegration of the plane. They are doing it for the other impacts as well. You can see an example of what they are doing Here and a higher-quality direct download Here

hyperl1t3 · Oct 20, 2006, 01:55 AM

quick answer to the whole flying issue: autopilot!
yes people, not just games its in real life too!
threaten pilot's life and have him set the course for the lat and long of pentagon and hold on. after that just sit back and ride it out.
as far as the plane goes, and i don't know if this holds true, but it had to have been a trans american sized one since it was scheduled to fly to o'hare i believe.

OnDborder · Feb 28, 2007, 08:07 PM

And you young ones out there with better eyes than mine...

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Originally Posted by BWX

Where did the jet and all the people go then?

Show me the jet parts, luggage, bodies,, anything that resembles the remains of a 757 jet airliner..
It just wouldn't/can't vaporize. Metal doesn't just go up in smoke.
A picture is worth a thousand words.. But I guess I can't believe my eyes.
This pic was taken right after the explosion by a passerby..

OnDborder · Feb 28, 2007, 08:09 PM

This one after they put the fires on the outside out and before the upper floors collapsed..

**temeteus82** · Feb 28, 2007, 08:25 PM

Can't see any parts of 757 in there. But can you tell me where are the passengers of that flight if it didn't hit the pentagon?

OmegaRED · Feb 28, 2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

Can't see any parts of 757 in there. But can you tell me where are the passengers of that flight if it didn't hit the pentagon?

Don't you get it?! They were in on the conspiracy and they are all living in secret in the Bahamas.

**temeteus82** · Feb 28, 2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRED

Don't you get it?! They were in on the conspiracy and they are all living in secret in the Bahamas.

You really believe that?

If they are in Bahamas who is paying them to be there for the rest of their lives??

OmegaRED · Feb 28, 2007, 10:36 PM

Ya man the Government is hiding them all there for the rest of their lives, except of course the passengers who were actually from the Bahamas...they were sent to the Moon.

**temeteus82** · Feb 28, 2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRED

Ya man the Government is hiding them all there for the rest of their lives, except of course the passengers who were actually from the Bahamas...they were sent to the Moon.

Actually they are hiding in my basement

josh2thad · Mar 1, 2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BWX

And the moon landing never happened.

Duh!

OnDborder · Mar 4, 2007, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

Can't see any parts of 757 in there. But can you tell me where are the passengers of that flight if it didn't hit the pentagon?

Here's a theory. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread210179/pg1
It is "known" that Barbara Olsen called her hubby twice from that flight. Discribing the highjackers and blah, blah, blah... Did you know that that flight was composed of mostly military, ex-military, and citizens with something to do with the military establishment? The 2 jets have already gone into the towers before Barbara made those calls..
"Most of the calls on Flight 77 were placed between 9.12am and 9.26am, prior to the disengagement of automatic piloting at 9.29am. "
The plane could indeed have been traveling at either a higher or a lower altitude to that reached at 9.29. Yet, at the same time there is no indication in the Report that the plane had been traveling below the 7000 feet level, which it reached at 9.29am.
At some point between 9:16 and 9:26, Barbara Olson called her husband, Ted Olson, the solicitor general of the United States. [using an airphone]
The second airliner,175,went into the tower at 9:03.
Do you not wonder why nobody would happen to tell one of those "callers" what happened or what was probably going to happen?
You honestly think that after getting a clue from one of the phone calls that those military and ex-military personel, or just ordinary people, would just sit there being held hostage by a "box cutter"?
If you do, then made I might have mis-judged your intelligence.
Just asking questions and pointing out the now obvious.

**temeteus82** · Mar 4, 2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OnDborder

Here's a theory. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread210179/pg1
It is "known" that Barbara Olsen called her hubby twice from that flight. Discribing the highjackers and blah, blah, blah... Did you know that that flight was composed of mostly military, ex-military, and citizens with something to do with the military establishment? The 2 jets have already gone into the towers before Barbara made those calls..
"Most of the calls on Flight 77 were placed between 9.12am and 9.26am, prior to the disengagement of automatic piloting at 9.29am. "
The plane could indeed have been traveling at either a higher or a lower altitude to that reached at 9.29. Yet, at the same time there is no indication in the Report that the plane had been traveling below the 7000 feet level, which it reached at 9.29am.
At some point between 9:16 and 9:26, Barbara Olson called her husband, Ted Olson, the solicitor general of the United States. [using an airphone]
The second airliner,175,went into the tower at 9:03.
Do you not wonder why nobody would happen to tell one of those "callers" what happened or what was probably going to happen?
You honestly think that after getting a clue from one of the phone calls that those military and ex-military personel, or just ordinary people, would just sit there being held hostage by a "box cutter"?
If you do, then made I might have mis-judged your intelligence.
Just asking questions and pointing out the now obvious.

Ok, first don't miss-judge my intelligence these things have more things that are in the official version and the conspiracy ones. I've seen about 80% of the conspiracy sites and some of the are way out of control. I've read the passenger list only one ex military personnel on board. And there is the thing that the rest of the passengers would not be aware what had happened in NY. And they thought that it would be "normal" hijacking. About Barbara Olson's call we don't have any record what she was talking about so we can't relay tell did she know about WTC or not. If she did know did she share it with others? I would guess that some of the hijackers saw her on the phone and cut the phone line.

The Flight path for flight 77 before hit.

OnDborder · Mar 4, 2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

Ok, first don't miss-judge my intelligence these things have more things that are in the official version and the conspiracy ones. I've seen about 80% of the conspiracy sites and some of the are way out of control. I've read the passenger list only one ex military personnel on board. And there is the thing that the rest of the passengers would not be aware what had happened in NY. And they thought that it would be "normal" hijacking. About Barbara Olson's call we don't have any record what she was talking about so we can't relay tell did she know about WTC or not. If she did know did she share it with others? I would guess that some of the hijackers saw her on the phone and cut the phone line.

The Flight path for flight 77 before hit.

That was a "generic" mis-judge of intelligence. I had a feeling you were going to take that personally. Only the first line of that post was directed at your quote.
Barbara Olsen was a "reporter". But let's say she's just a regular person like you or me and we were just informed that 2 airliners were hijacked and puposely crashed into buildings. Duh, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure you are going to die the same way... Umm, what to do??? Well the natural thing to do is just keep it to yourself and huddle back in the corner.. Right? Why no fight? Just another example of the american wussyness?
Her husband was the U.S. Solicitor General.. You honestly don't think he didn't know what was/had taken place in NY?? You honestly don't think he just might have told his wife?
From the 911 commision report:
"'Unlike the earlier flights, the Flight 77 hijackers were reported by a passenger to have box cutters. At some point between 9:16 and 9:26, Barbara Olson called her husband, Ted Olson, the solicitor general of the United States. She reported that the flight had been hijacked, and the hijackers had knives and box cutters. She further indicated that the hijackers were not aware of her phone call, and that they had put all the passengers in the back of the plane. About a minute into the conversation, the call was cut off. Solicitor General Olson tried unsuccessfully to reach Attorney General John Ashcroft. Shortly after the first call, Barbara Olson reached her husband again. She reported that the pilot had announced that the flight had been hijacked, and she asked her husband what she should tell the captain to do. Ted Olson asked for her location and she replied that the aircraft was then flying over houses.

Another passenger told her they were traveling northeast. The Solicitor General then informed his wife of the two previous hijackings and crashes. She did not display signs of panic and did not indicate any awareness of an impending crash. At that point, the second call was cut off."

10 had military backgrounds and 21 had gov/military related work.. Sorry for the "majority". I stand corrected.

**temeteus82** · Mar 4, 2007, 11:21 PM

Is LLoyd here lying?
"Lloyd still keeps a torn dollar bill signed by a stranger and dated September 11, 2001. It marks a day he has struggled to survive for two years. But Lloyd’s story is different from most other Survivors’ Fund clients. His life and livelihood was changed by the path of Flight 77 before it hit the Pentagon.

Lloyd, 69, began the morning of September 11, 2001 like most days, driving his taxi cab. A passenger in Rosslyn told him what had happened at the World Trade Center so he turned on his radio and headed home. As he approached the Navy Annex, he saw a plane flying dangerously low overhead. Simultaneously, the plane struck a light pole and the pole came crashing down onto the front of Lloyd’s taxi cab, destroying the windshield in front of his eyes. Glass was everywhere as he tried to stop the car. Another car stopped and the driver helped move the heavy pole off Lloyd’s car. As they were moving the pole, they heard a big boom and turned to see an explosion. The light pole fell on Lloyd and he struggled to get up from underneath, wondering what had happened."
Source

OnDborder · Mar 6, 2007, 05:59 PM

Look at the photos that I posted..
Can you believe your own eyes or not?
Can you tell a jet airliner crashed into the side of that building? No. You had to be told that. There is no "visible" evidence.. Show us the jet engines.. Or did it get sucked up into that 18 ft. diameter hole too, along with the wings, tail section, luggage, etc. By logic, the engines would be laying or embedded into the wall on the sides of the hole.. Right? Do you see 'em? I'm pretty sure some of those jet engine parts would be titanium, do you think they could have maybe vaporized into thin air or maybe burnt up in the explosion?? Speaking of the explosion, wouldn't some of the airliner parts be "blown" out/away from the impact from the explosion? Wouldn't the grass be burnt from the explosion? Wouldn't the area be declared a bio-hazard area from the remence of jet fuel still in the ground and building? Hmm..
Just asking..

**temeteus82** · Mar 6, 2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OnDborder

Look at the photos that I posted..
Can you believe your own eyes or not?
Can you tell a jet airliner crashed into the side of that building? No. You had to be told that. There is no "visible" evidence.. Show us the jet engines.. Or did it get sucked up into that 18 ft. diameter hole too, along with the wings, tail section, luggage, etc. By logic, the engines would be laying or embedded into the wall on the sides of the hole.. Right? Do you see 'em? I'm pretty sure some of those jet engine parts would be titanium, do you think they could have maybe vaporized into thin air or maybe burnt up in the explosion?? Speaking of the explosion, wouldn't some of the airliner parts be "blown" out/away from the impact from the explosion? Wouldn't the grass be burnt from the explosion? Wouldn't the area be declared a bio-hazard area from the remence of jet fuel still in the ground and building? Hmm..
Just asking..

Well first I don't believe in things because belief is morons way to reason things. Facts are more what I like. Man saw plane hit to the Pentagon and there were clipped side laps on it's path. And the B757's black boxes found in the crash site. About passengers they were in the back of the plane. And they had some company to watch them. And because of this and the fear that they must had they didn't react in any way.

OnDborder · Mar 10, 2007, 04:39 PM

Facts?
Please enlighten all of us to the "facts" of Flight 77..
"belief is a morons way to reason things".. Do you believe Lloyd?
Second of all, there are many witness' that say that an airliner flew north of that proposed flight path.
This isn't a cut and dry issue.
Not to mention Chenney's "stand down" order to take down the "airliner" before it hit.

**temeteus82** · Mar 10, 2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OnDborder

Facts?
Please enlighten all of us to the "facts" of Flight 77..
"belief is a morons way to reason things".. Do you believe Lloyd?
Second of all, there are many witness' that say that an airliner flew north of that proposed flight path.
This isn't a cut and dry issue.
Not to mention Chenney's "stand down" order to take down the "airliner" before it hit.

Well FAA has radar record of that flight. NEADS was informed about American Airlines Flight 77 at 9:34 a.m., four minutes before it crashed into the Pentagon. We all know that Chenney isn't up for his job he didn't have the up-to date info about the events. Well Lloyd wasn't the only one to see the plane so in this case he is right. And if you do some math when B757 hits some thing about 530 miles in hour how much force it would generate? I say enough to go through Pentagon's walls and go deeper. And did you know that asbestos were used in Pentagon when it was built. And asbestos dust is bad for humans. That's why the crash site bio-hazard case.

For more : Link

BWX · Mar 17, 2007, 03:59 PM

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Where did the jet and all the people go then?

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnDborder

Show me the jet parts, luggage, bodies,, anything that resembles the remains of a 757 jet airliner..
It just wouldn't/can't vaporize. Metal doesn't just go up in smoke.
A picture is worth a thousand words.. But I guess I can't believe my eyes.
This pic was taken right after the explosion by a passerby..

And that answers my question how?

-edit-

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Originally Posted by josh2thad

Duh!

- That mirror they bounce lasers off of is just their imagination..

Quote:

Scientists who analyze data from the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment have reported some watershed results from these long-term experiments, begun 25 years ago when the Apollo 11 astronauts deployed a reflector array in the Sea of Tranquillity. "Using the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment, we have been able to improve, by orders of magnitude, measurements of the Moon's rotation," said Jet Propulsion Laboratory team investigator Dr. Jean Dickey. "We also have strong evidence that the Moon has a liquid core, and laser ranging has allowed us to determine with great accuracy the rate at which the Moon is gradually receding from the Earth."

The first laser ranging retroreflector was positioned on the Moon in 1969 by the Apollo 11 astronauts. By beaming laser pulses at the reflector from Earth, scientists have been able to determine the round-trip travel time that gives the distance between the two bodies at any time to an accuracy of about 3 centimeters. The laser reflector consists of 100 fused silica half-cubes, called corner cubes, mounted in a 46-centimeter square aluminum panel. Each corner cube is 3.8 centimeters in diameter. Corner cubes reflect a beam of light directly back toward the point of origin.

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclips...olloLaser.html

Sep 12, 2006, 11:50 PM	#122
dsdsdk DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denmark, CPH. Posts: 586 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	About the pentagon crash.. Did the plane hit the gound first? yes? would the wings shatter when that happend? Is the pentagon a strong structure? Plane only damaged outer block, so that's a yes. So only the fuselage could cause damage to structure, damaged pieces (debris) of wings wouldnt collapse the building. (look at left and right on the bottom of the building). Anyways. The ~11 conspicrazytheories all have one flaw! They all blame Bush and co.!! Shouldnt atleast one of them blame aliens? lol nope.. all Bush.. __________________ No more Kitty!

Sep 13, 2006, 12:00 AM	#123
dsdsdk DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denmark, CPH. Posts: 586 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Some grass must have burned. Maybe they prioritised laying new grass before extinguising the building... __________________ No more Kitty!

Sep 13, 2006, 03:33 AM	#124
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,688 Rep Power: 173 System Specs	9/11 conspiracy theories were cool a few years back before we had much of a clue how much of a bumbling administration Bush runs, they couldn't possibly have organized such a conspiracy nor does it make any sense to. __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Sep 13, 2006, 11:31 AM	#126
dsdsdk DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denmark, CPH. Posts: 586 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	nope 'cause I wouldnt make my people do that.. __________________ No more Kitty!

Sep 16, 2006, 07:25 PM	#127
TheBlackCat DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Searching for the Candle in the Dark Posts: 567 Rep Power: 0	I recommend visiting 911myths.com. They have answers to most conspiracy theorists' claims. If you have specific questions that you think poke holes in the official story, go there because there are very likely going to be answers (not that conspiracies theorists are generally satisfied with any answer). Here is a very good computer simulation done by an engineering consulting company. They used 3D modelling to show how a plane impact could account for what was seen at the pentagon, including the damage and the security camera footage. There is also an answer to the claim that there was no wreckage. Here some people at purdue used finite element modelling, a type of computer modelling where a structure is broken up into a finite number of pieces so the differential equations regarding their behavior can be solved, to recreate the crash, including the disintegration of the plane. They are doing it for the other impacts as well. You can see an example of what they are doing Here and a higher-quality direct download Here __________________ [color=#000000]There is always an easy solution to every human problem—neat, plausible and wrong.[/color] -H. L. Mencken

Sep 12, 2006, 03:05 PM	#121
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Well I'm quite sure I see the opposite Hahahaha dunno in this pic, the grass is fine meaning no engines crashed into it...

Sep 13, 2006, 06:20 AM	#125
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Could be the illuminati? drum roll

Oct 20, 2006, 01:55 AM	#128
hyperl1t3 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 0	quick answer to the whole flying issue: autopilot! yes people, not just games its in real life too! threaten pilot's life and have him set the course for the lat and long of pentagon and hold on. after that just sit back and ride it out. as far as the plane goes, and i don't know if this holds true, but it had to have been a trans american sized one since it was scheduled to fly to o'hare i believe.

Feb 28, 2007, 08:09 PM	Thread Starter #130
OnDborder DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 222 Rep Power: 0	This one after they put the fires on the outside out and before the upper floors collapsed.. __________________ "I was so insane with wanting to get even, I willingly believed anything" “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” Asus P5B-deluxe/6400/wc 2gigZ Crucial 6400 Evga8800gtx X-Fi Elite Pro 150gb Raptor/WDsata250 Silverstone 750 Last edited by OnDborder; Feb 28, 2007 at 08:20 PM.

Feb 28, 2007, 10:36 PM	#134
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,688 Rep Power: 173 System Specs	Ya man the Government is hiding them all there for the rest of their lives, except of course the passengers who were actually from the Bahamas...they were sent to the Moon. __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Mar 6, 2007, 05:59 PM	Thread Starter #141
OnDborder DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 222 Rep Power: 0	Look at the photos that I posted.. Can you believe your own eyes or not? Can you tell a jet airliner crashed into the side of that building? No. You had to be told that. There is no "visible" evidence.. Show us the jet engines.. Or did it get sucked up into that 18 ft. diameter hole too, along with the wings, tail section, luggage, etc. By logic, the engines would be laying or embedded into the wall on the sides of the hole.. Right? Do you see 'em? I'm pretty sure some of those jet engine parts would be titanium, do you think they could have maybe vaporized into thin air or maybe burnt up in the explosion?? Speaking of the explosion, wouldn't some of the airliner parts be "blown" out/away from the impact from the explosion? Wouldn't the grass be burnt from the explosion? Wouldn't the area be declared a bio-hazard area from the remence of jet fuel still in the ground and building? Hmm.. Just asking.. __________________ "I was so insane with wanting to get even, I willingly believed anything" “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” Asus P5B-deluxe/6400/wc 2gigZ Crucial 6400 Evga8800gtx X-Fi Elite Pro 150gb Raptor/WDsata250 Silverstone 750 Last edited by OnDborder; Mar 6, 2007 at 06:06 PM.

Mar 10, 2007, 04:39 PM	Thread Starter #143
OnDborder DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 222 Rep Power: 0	Facts? Please enlighten all of us to the "facts" of Flight 77.. "belief is a morons way to reason things".. Do you believe Lloyd? Second of all, there are many witness' that say that an airliner flew north of that proposed flight path. This isn't a cut and dry issue. Not to mention Chenney's "stand down" order to take down the "airliner" before it hit. __________________ "I was so insane with wanting to get even, I willingly believed anything" “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” Asus P5B-deluxe/6400/wc 2gigZ Crucial 6400 Evga8800gtx X-Fi Elite Pro 150gb Raptor/WDsata250 Silverstone 750